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yuriandrade Jan 16, 2014 4:15 AM

GDP - World's Metro Areas
 
Since 2008 I've been organizing GDP tables for American and Brazilian metro areas as data are easy to obtain and sensible definitions are possible to be established.

Anyway, here the last edition of the ranking, with all the US and Brazilian metro areas over 500,000 inh. Data coming from BEA (US) and IBGE (Brazil). As definitions I used CSA for the US and for Brazilians they might be found here.

2011

Country -- GDP 2011 (US$) -- Pop. 2011

USA --- 15.075.675.000.000 --- 311.591.917
Brazil --- 2.492.907.000.000 --- 192.376.496



MAs ------------------- GDP 2011 (US$) -- Pop. 2011

1. New York, NY-NJ-CT-PA -- 1.455.816.000.000 -- 22.025.294

2. Los Angeles, CA -- 897.207.000.000 -- 18.081.569

3. San Francisco, CA -- 575.182.000.000 -- 7.563.460

4. Chicago, IL-IN-WI -- 554.511.000.000 -- 9.729.825


5. São Paulo, SP -- 519.328.000.000 -- 22.611.857

6. Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV -- 438.337.000.000 -- 5.834.013

7. Houston, TX -- 419.696.000.000 -- 6.086.538

8. Dallas, TX -- 394.902.000.000 -- 6.647.967

9. Boston, MA-NH -- 378.316.000.000 -- 5.794.035

10. Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD -- 373.249.000.000 -- 6.562.287

11. Atlanta, GA -- 289.994.000.000 -- 5.542.257

12. Seattle, WA -- 264.209.000.000 -- 4.129.359

13. Miami, FL -- 263.376.000.000 -- 5.670.125

14. Detroit, MI -- 233.130.000.000 -- 5.207.434

15. Minneapolis, MN-WI -- 215.575.000.000 -- 3.508.500

16. Phoenix, AZ -- 194.793.000.000 -- 4.263.236


17. Rio de Janeiro, RJ -- 192.357.000.000 -- 12.605.911

18. Denver, CO -- 188.923.000.000 -- 3.157.520

19. San Diego, CA -- 172.583.000.000 -- 3.140.069

20. Baltimore, MD -- 148.256.000.000 -- 2.729.110

21. Portland, OR-WA -- 143.720.000.000 -- 2.262.605

22. Cleveland, OH -- 134.863.000.000 -- 2.769.739

23. St.Louis, MO-IL -- 132.029.000.000 -- 2.817.355

24. Pittsburgh, PA -- 117.845.000.000 -- 2.359.746

25. Charlotte, NC-SC -- 117.832.000.000 -- 1.795.472

26. Tampa, FL -- 116.232.000.000 -- 2.824.724

27. Orlando, FL -- 115.175.000.000 -- 2.763.540

28. Indianapolis, IN -- 111.649.000.000 -- 1.987.673

29. Kansas City, MO-KS -- 108.144.000.000 -- 2.052.676


30. Brasília, DF-GO-MG -- 106.279.000.000 -- 3.788.169

31. Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN -- 102.469.000.000 -- 2.138.038

32. Sacramento, CA -- 98.783.000.000 -- 2.343.732

33. Raleigh, NC -- 98.323.000.000 -- 1.676.494

34. Milwaukee, WI -- 94.347.000.000 -- 1.757.604

35. Columbus, OH -- 93.986.000.000 -- 1.858.464

36. Las Vegas, NV -- 92.762.000.000 -- 1.969.975

37. Austin, TX -- 90.913.000.000 -- 1.783.519

38. Salt Lake City, UT -- 90.793.000.000 -- 1.701.821


39. Belo Horizonte, MG -- 86.802.000.000 -- 5.505.050

40. San Antonio, TX -- 86.386.000.000 -- 2.194.927

41. Nashville, TN -- 85.796.000.000 -- 1.617.142

42. Hartford, CT -- 83.485.000.000 -- 1.213.255

43. Norfolk, VA-NC -- 80.734.000.000 -- 1.679.894

44. New Orleans, LA -- 80.154.000.000 -- 1.191.089


45. Porto Alegre, RS -- 70.171.000.000 -- 4.193.618

46. Providence, RI-MA -- 68.089.000.000 -- 1.600.224

47. Richmond, VA -- 66.622.000.000 -- 1.269.380


48. Campinas, SP -- 64.946.000.000 -- 2.917.952

49. Louisville, KY-IN -- 64.588.000.000 -- 1.416.620

50. Memphis, TN-MS-AR -- 64.323.000.000 -- 1.325.605

51. Greensboro, NC -- 63.179.000.000 -- 1.366.282

52. Oklahoma City, OK -- 60.997.000.000 -- 1.278.053


53. Curitiba, PR -- 60.767.000.000 -- 3.221.230

54. Jacksonville, FL -- 60.725.000.000 -- 1.360.251

55. Birmingham, AL -- 53.547.000.000 -- 1.132.264

56. Honolulu, HI -- 52.081.000.000 -- 963.607

57. Omaha, NE-IA -- 48.979.000.000 -- 877.110

58. Grand Rapids, MI -- 47.583.000.000 -- 1.217.206

59. Baton Rouge, LA -- 46.949.000.000 -- 808.242

60. Tulsa, OK -- 46.439.000.000 -- 946.962

61. Rochester, NY -- 46.351.000.000 -- 1.055.278

62. Buffalo, NY -- 45.888.000.000 -- 1.134.039

63. Albany, NY -- 45.037.000.000 -- 1.000.474


64. Salvador, BA -- 44.163.000.000 -- 3.763.556

65. Recife, PE -- 43.969.000.000 -- 4.408.013


66. Greenville, SC -- 42.556.000.000 -- 1.122.757

67. Des Moines, IA -- 40.691.000.000 -- 580.255

68. Albuquerque, NM -- 37.875.000.000 -- 898.642


69. Vitória, ES -- 37.717.000.000 -- 1.875.671

70. Dayton, OH -- 37.464.000.000 -- 983.079

71. Madison, WI -- 36.526.000.000 -- 576.467

72. Little Rock, AR -- 36.291.000.000 -- 808.825

73. Knoxville, TN -- 35.977.000.000 -- 841.994

74. Fresno, CA -- 35.491.000.000 -- 1.095.829


75. Fortaleza, CE -- 34.984.000.000 -- 3.720.489

76. Bakersfield, CA -- 33.768.000.000 -- 851.710

77. Harrisburg, PA -- 32.606.000.000 -- 687.222


78. Goiânia-Anápolis, GO -- 32.410.000.000 -- 2.574.913

79. Tucson, AZ -- 32.335.000.000 -- 989.569

80. Columbia, SC -- 32.203.000.000 -- 777.116


81. Manaus, AM -- 31.231.000.000 -- 1.924.581

82. Allentown, PA-NJ -- 30.412.000.000 -- 824.916

83. S.José Campos-Taubaté, SP -- 30.135.000.000 -- 1.542.099

84. Portland, ME -- 29.713.000.000 -- 623.205

85. Charleston, SC -- 28.902.000.000 -- 682.121

86. El Paso, TX -- 28.755.000.000 -- 820.790

87. Toledo, OH -- 28.037.000.000 -- 650.266

88. Sarasota, FL -- 27.424.000.000 -- 869.866

89. Syracuse, NY -- 27.404.000.000 -- 662.553

90. Wichita, KS -- 27.363.000.000 -- 625.526

91. Boise City, ID -- 27.203.000.000 -- 627.664

92. Colorado Springs, CO -- 26.855.000.000 -- 660.319


93. Campos dos Goytcazes, RJ -- 26.806.000.000 -- 592.793

94. Huntsville, AL -- 26.064.000.000 -- 579.550

95. Chattanooga, TN-GA -- 25.233.000.000 -- 650.206

96. Jackson, MS -- 24.666.000.000 -- 545.394

97. Springfield, MA -- 23.360.000.000 -- 693.204

98. South Bend, IN-MI -- 21.893.000.000 -- 517.629


99. Sorocaba-Itu, SP -- 20.809.000.000 -- 1.275.253

100. Piracicaba-Limeira-R.Claro, SP -- 20.711.000.000 -- 1.239.227


101. Cape Coral-Ft. Myers, FL -- 20.284.000.000 -- 631.330

102. Lancaster, PA -- 20.188.000.000 -- 523.594


103. Joinville, SC -- 20.057.000.000 -- 855.250

104. Augusta, GA-SC -- 19.947.000.000 -- 561.858

105. Scranton-Wilkes, PA -- 19.832.000.000 -- 563.223

106. Stockton, CA -- 19.795.000.000 -- 696.214


107. Belém, PA -- 18.678.000.000 -- 2.489.872

108. Palm Bay-Melbourne, FL -- 18.519.000.000 -- 543.566

109. Ribeirão Preto, SP -- 18.239.000.000 -- 1.105.045

110. Youngstown, OH-PA -- 17.101.000.000 -- 562.739

111. Lakeland, FL -- 16.810.000.000 -- 609.492


112. Caxias do Sul, RS -- 16.743.000.000 -- 829.378

113. Johnson City-Kingsport, TN-VA -- 16.615.000.000 -- 509.611

114. Volta Redonda-Resende, RJ -- 16.305.000.000 -- 832.282

115. Provo, UT -- 16.228.000.000 -- 540.834

116. Port St.Lucie-Vero Beach, FL -- 15.240.000.000 -- 566.768

117. Modesto, CA -- 15.618.000.000 -- 518.522

118. McAllen, TX -- 15.379.000.000 -- 797.810


119. Itajaí-B.Camboriú, SC -- 15.333.000.000 -- 583.695

120. Florianópolis, SC -- 13.951.000.000 -- 965.486

121. São Luís, MA -- 13.669.000.000 -- 1.513.159

122. Londrina, PR -- 12.919.000.000 -- 1.097.066

123. Uberlândia, MG -- 12.813.000.000 -- 728.557

124. Blumenau, SC -- 12.517.000.000 -- 687.342

125. Araraquara-São Carlos, SP -- 11.860.000.000 -- 710.350

126. Natal, RN -- 11.826.000.000 -- 1.524.198

127. João Pessoa, PB -- 10.748.000.000 -- 1.305.737

128. Maceió, AL -- 10.639.000.000 -- 1.364.704

129. São José do Rio Preto, SP -- 10.452.000.000 -- 779.906

130. Cuiabá, MT -- 10.372.000.000 -- 873.232

131. Campo Grande, MS -- 10.194.000.000 -- 870.419

132. Aracaju, SE -- 9.982.000.000 -- 1.030.706

133. Maringá -- 8.874.000.000 -- 731.654

134. Pelotas-Rio Grande, RS -- 8.764.000.000 -- 603.535

135. Bauru, SP -- 8.402.000.000 -- 565.145

136. Teresina, PI-MA -- 7.883.000.000 -- 1.130.487

137. Ipatinga, MG -- 6.899.000.000 -- 559.711

138. Criciúma, SC -- 6.667.000.000 -- 506.853

139. Cascavel-Toledo, PR -- 6.662.000.000 -- 519.250

140. Juiz de Fora, MG -- 6.650.000.000 -- 658.605

141. Feira de Santana, BA -- 6.300.000.000 -- 866.793

142. Campina Grande, PB -- 4.638.000.000 -- 806.475

143. Macapá, AP -- 4.273.000.000 -- 531.672

144. Caruaru, PE -- 4.183.000.000 -- 840.473

145. Ilhéus-Itabuna, BA -- 3.656.000.000 -- 527.982

146. Petrolina-Juazeiro, PE-BA -- 3.636.000.000 -- 544.605

147. Juazeiro do Norte-Crato, CE -- 2.810.000.000 -- 628.131

148. Arapiraca, AL -- 2.702.000.000 -- 702.274




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It's quite difficult to find GDP for other areas, especially due metro area definition issues. So here a list with random metropolises around the world:


-------------------- GDP 2011 (US$) -- Pop. 2011


Mexico City ---------- US$ 302.3 bi --- 24.5 mi

Santiago ------------- US$ 109.3 bi ---- 6.0 mi

Monterrey ------------- US$ 84.4 bi ---- 4.8 mi

Bogotá ---------------- US$ 80.3 bi ---- 7.6 mi


London ------------- US$ 1,069.3 bi --- 22.7 mi

Paris ------------------ US$ 807.2 bi --- 11.9 mi

Rhein-Ruhr ----------- US$ 798.3 bi --- 17.6 mi

Milan ------------------ US$ 465.9 bi ---- 9.8 mi

Moscow --------------- US$ 451.4 bi --- 18.8 mi

Madrid ---------------- US$ 265.1 bi ---- 6.5 mi

Rome ----------------- US$ 238.3 bi ---- 5.6 mi

Berlin ----------------- US$ 219.7 bi ---- 5.8 mi

Naples ---------------- US$ 133.5 bi ---- 5.8 mi

Genoa ------------------ US$ 62.0 bi ---- 1.5 mi



Johannesburg -------- US$ 138.1 bi --- 12.3 mi


Tokyo ---------------- US$ 2.276 tri --- 40.6 mi

Osaka ---------------- US$ 901.5 bi --- 19.3 mi


Seoul ---------------- US$ 535.8 bi --- 25.3 mi

Nagoya --------------- US$ 477.4 bi ---- 9.1 mi

Shanghai ------------- US$ 297.0 bi --- 23.3 mi


Singapore ------------ US$ 259.8 bi ---- 5.2 mi

Fukuoka -------------- US$ 249.1 bi ---- 5.5 mi

Beijing ---------------- US$ 247.7 bi --- 20.1 mi

Hong Kong ------------ US$ 243.7 bi ---- 7.1 mi

Tianjin ---------------- US$ 177.6 bi --- 13.2 mi

Shizuoka -------------- US$ 146.7 bi ---- 2.7 mi


Bombay --------------- US$ 112.5 bi --- 20.7 mi

Sapporo --------------- US$ 107.1 bi ---- 2.3 mi

Sendai ----------------- US$ 102.5 bi ---- 2.3 mi

Hiroshima ------------- US$ 101.9 bi ---- 2.1 mi

Okayama --------------- US$ 78.3 bi ---- 1.6 mi

Niigata ------------------ US$ 66.9 bi ---- 1.4 mi

Kumamoto -------------- US$ 58.8 bi ---- 1.5 mi

Kagoshima -------------- US$ 47.9 bi ---- 1.1 mi

Matsuyama ------------- US$ 31.8 bi ---- 0.7 mi



Sydney ---------------- US$ 326.9 bi ---- 4.6 mi

Melbourne ------------- US$ 259.0 bi ---- 4.2 mi

Brisbane --------------- US$ 135.3 bi ---- 2.1 mi

Perth ------------------- US$ 121.4 bi ---- 1.8 mi

Adelaide ----------------- US$ 67.3 bi ---- 1.3 mi


Auckland ---------------- US$ 58.8 bi ---- 1.5 mi



Any suggestions or info on other areas, few free to share.

Minato Ku Jan 16, 2014 7:06 AM

Be careful this kind of subject can quickly deteriorate.

For European cities, this is rather a list of the GDP of the region around the city than the metropolitan area.
Rhein Rurh Figures are for the whole North Rhine-Westphalia lander, London figure is for the whole South East corner of England
Naples figures is for the whole Campania region, Rome figure for the whole Lazio region, Milan figure are for the whole Lombardy region.
Some cities have region that are approximately near the size of the metropolitan like Madrid or Paris but most have not.
It is better to use data on a lower administrative division like the Provinces for Italy or counties for UK. It would lead to much accurate estimation.

New Brisavoine Jan 16, 2014 9:49 AM

Note that we already have a thread about that. ;)

Here is the link: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=206907

There are no 2011 data for most European metro areas, because Eurostat hasn't published 2011 regional GDPs yet, so Yuriandrade's figures for most European metro areas are essentially guesstimates. The figures below, on the other hand, are official figures published by Eurostat and other statistical offices.

All maps are at the same scale.

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/3353/bxp8.png

yuriandrade Jan 16, 2014 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minato Ku (Post 6408892)
Be careful this kind of subject can quickly deteriorate.

For European cities, this is rather a list of the GDP of the region around the city than the metropolitan area.
Rhein Rurh Figures are for the whole North Rhine-Westphalia lander, London figure is for the whole South East corner of England
Naples figures is for the whole Campania region, Rome figure for the whole Lazio region, Milan figure are for the whole Lombardy region.
Some cities have region that are approximately near the size of the metropolitan like Madrid or Paris but most have not.
It is better to use data on a lower administrative division like the Provinces for Italy or counties for UK. It would lead to much accurate estimation.

Minato, note that I collect the figures and do the definitions. I didn't pick up ready numbers. Therefore, as I stated in my first post, only US and Brazilian are meant to be compared (plus others with sensible definitions).


Quote:

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine (Post 6408929)
Note that we already have a thread about that. ;)

Here is the link: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=206907

There are no 2011 data for most European metro areas, because Eurostat hasn't published 2011 regional GDPs yet, so Yuriandrade's figures for most European metro areas are essentially guesstimates. The figures below, on the other hand, are official figures published by Eurostat and other statistical offices.

I know your table. It's interesting but features only handful areas and is not as comprehensive as mine. Also, there are some very problematic metro definitions (just compare Moscow and São Paulo).

New Brisavoine Jan 16, 2014 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriandrade (Post 6408932)
Minato, note that I collect the figures and do the definitions. I didn't pick up ready numbers.

Well for example there exist no 2011 GDP figures for British regions/counties yet, so your London figure is only a guesstimate. Eurostat will publish regional 2011 GDP figures only next month or in March (some countries like France or Germany have already published their regional 2011 GDP figures, but not the UK, and I believe also not Italy). And as Minato Ku said, you take entire states (North-Rhine Westphalia) or entire swathes of a country (the south-eastern corner of England), which can't in any way be described as metro areas. It would be like lumping together the GDPs of everything from DC to Boston and describing it as a "metro area".
Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriandrade (Post 6408932)
Also, there are some very problematic metro definitions (just compare Moscow and São Paulo).

We've already had this discussion. Most of Moscow Oblast is essentially forests and bogland. The area where urbanization and industry is concentrated is in Moscow proper and immediately around it, i.e. an area not larger than the São Paulo metro area as pictured on the map.

yuriandrade Jan 16, 2014 10:17 AM

I've already prepared the US part of 2012's list. Lots of changing as US Census Bureau changed metro definitions:

2012

Country -- GDP 2012 (US$) -- Pop. 2012

USA --- 15.566.077.000.000 --- 313.914.040


MAs ------------------- GDP 2012 (US$) -- Pop. 2012

1. New York, NY-NJ-CT-PA -- 1.555.043.000.000 -- 23.174.569

2. Los Angeles, CA -- 918.834.000.000 -- 18.238.998

3. San Francisco, CA -- 606.643.000.000 -- 8.370.967

4. Chicago, IL-IN-WI -- 578.275.000.000 -- 9.746.720

5. Boston, MA-RI-NH-CT -- 470.343.000.000 -- 7.784.283

6. Washington, DC-MD-VA-WV -- 467.682.000.000 -- 6.356.514

7. Houston, TX -- 449.439.000.000 -- 6.177.035

8. Dallas, TX -- 423.928.000.000 -- 6.822.926

9. Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD -- 408.170.000.000 -- 7.129.428

10. Atlanta, GA -- 308.278.000.000 -- 5.839.672

11. Miami, FL -- 289.964.000.000 -- 6.335.967

12. Seattle, WA -- 282.741.000.000 -- 4.183.702

13. Detroit, MI -- 243.551.000.000 -- 5.212.462

14. Minneapolis, MN-WI -- 228.301.000.000 -- 3.508.500

15. Phoenix, AZ -- 201.653.000.000 -- 4.329.534

16. Denver, CO -- 196.187.000.000 -- 3.214.218

17. San Diego, CA -- 177.410.000.000 -- 3.177.063

18. Portland, OR-WA -- 171.124.000.000 -- 2.992.924

19. Baltimore, MD -- 157.260.000.000 -- 2.753.149

20. Cleveland, OH -- 155.107.000.000 -- 3.169.252

21. Charlotte, NC-SC -- 137.189.000.000 -- 2.296.569

22. St.Louis, MO-IL -- 136.677.000.000 -- 2.795.794

23. Pittsburgh, PA-OH-WV -- 127.111.000.000 -- 2.483.280

24. Indianapolis, IN -- 124.544.000.000 -- 2.125.475

25. Kansas City, MO-KS -- 122.023.000.000 -- 2.279.515

26. Orlando, FL -- 121.472.000.000 -- 2.920.603

27. Tampa, FL -- 119.926.000.000 -- 2.842.878

28. Salt Lake City, UT -- 111.247.000.000 -- 2.286.998

29. Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN -- 108.236.000.000 -- 2.128.603

30. Sacramento, CA -- 102.218.000.000 -- 2.364.430

31. Raleigh, NC -- 101.123.000.000 -- 1.711.390

32. Columbus, OH -- 100.512.000.000 -- 1.944.002

33. Las Vegas, NV-AZ -- 99.351.000.000 -- 2.204.093

34. Austin, TX -- 98.677.000.000 -- 1.834.303

35. Milwaukee, WI -- 95.776.000.000 -- 1.761.778

36. Nashville, TN -- 94.789.000.000 -- 1.726.693

37. Hartford, CT -- 93.891.000.000 -- 1.488.570

38. San Antonio, TX -- 91.995.000.000 -- 2.234.003

39. New Orleans, LA -- 88.554.000.000 -- 1.350.537

40. Norfolk, VA-NC -- 84.836.000.000 -- 1.699.925

41. Louisville, KY-IN -- 69.016.000.000 -- 1.401.764

42. Greensboro, NC -- 68.640.000.000 -- 1.537.682

43. Richmond, VA -- 68.612.000.000 -- 1.231.980

44. Memphis, TN-MS-AR -- 66.778.000.000 -- 1.341.690

45. Oklahoma City, OK -- 63.338.000.000 -- 1.296.565

46. Jacksonville, FL -- 62.251.000.000 -- 1.377.850

47. Birmingham, AL -- 58.992.000.000 -- 1.136.650

48. Honolulu, HI -- 56.561.000.000 -- 976.372

49. Harrisburg-York, PA -- 52.518.000.000 -- 1.228.559

50. Omaha, NE-IA -- 51.878.000.000 -- 885.624

51. Tulsa, OK -- 47.891.000.000 -- 951.880

52. Baton Rouge, LA -- 47.709.000.000 -- 815.298

53. Rochester, NY -- 47.317.000.000 -- 1.082.284

54. Buffalo, NY -- 47.057.000.000 -- 1.134.210

55. Des Moines, IA -- 46.673.000.000 -- 680.139

56. Albany, NY -- 46.631.000.000 -- 1.003.118

57. Greenville, SC -- 45.608.000.000 -- 1.159.850

58. Albuquerque, NM -- 45.075.000.000 -- 1.048.065

59. Madison, WI -- 44.502.000.000 -- 781.196

60. Grand Rapids, MI -- 43.862.000.000 -- 1.005.648

61. Knoxville, TN -- 39.029.000.000 -- 963.287

62. Dayton, OH -- 37.609.000.000 -- 938.178

63. Little Rock, AR -- 37.626.000.000 -- 815.117

64. Fresno, CA -- 35.939.000.000 -- 1.100.113

65. El Paso, TX-NM -- 35.460.000.000 -- 1.045.180

66. Cape Coral-Ft. Myers, FL -- 34.558.000.000 -- 977.720

67. Columbia, SC -- 34.301.000.000 -- 784.745

68. Bakersfield, CA -- 34.268.000.000 -- 856.158

69. Tucson, AZ -- 33.353.000.000 -- 992.394

70. Chattanooga, TN-GA -- 31.681.000.000 -- 798.460

71. Charleston, SC -- 31.017.000.000 -- 697.439

72. Portland, ME -- 30.911.000.000 -- 625.726

73. Wichita, KS -- 29.644.000.000 -- 636.105

74. South Bend, IN-MI -- 29.603.000.000 -- 674.272

75. Syracuse, NY -- 28.453.000.000 -- 660.934

76. Toledo, OH -- 28.311.000.000 -- 608.711

77. Colorado Springs, CO -- 28.029.000.000 -- 668.353

78. Sarasota, FL -- 27.698.000.000 -- 882.491

79. Boise City, ID -- 27.455.000.000 -- 637.896

80. Huntsville, AL -- 26.731.000.000 -- 584.967

81. Jackson, MS -- 26.414.000.000 -- 576.800

82. Charleston, WV-KY-OH -- 26.389.000.000 -- 590.619

83. Mobile, AL -- 22.486.000.000 -- 604.726

84. Modesto, CA -- 22.444.000.000 -- 784.031

85. Springfield, MA -- 22.111.000.000 -- 625.718

86. Lancaster, PA -- 20.953.000.000 -- 526.823

87. Augusta, GA-SC -- 20.828.000.000 -- 575.898

88. Scranton-Wilkes, PA -- 20.465.000.000 -- 563.629

89. Spokane, WA -- 20.352.000.000 -- 532.253

90. Palm Bay-Melbourne, FL -- 18.107.000.000 -- 547.307

91. Youngstown, OH-PA -- 17.563.000.000 -- 558.206

92. Lakeland, FL -- 17.093.000.000 -- 616.158

93. Johnson City-Kingsport, TN-VA -- 16.622.000.000 -- 509.690

94. Visalia, CA -- 16.466.000.000 -- 603.341

95. McAllen, TX -- 16.025.000.000 -- 806.552

yuriandrade Jan 16, 2014 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine (Post 6408935)
Well for example there exist no 2011 GDP figures for British regions/counties yet, so your London figure is only a guesstimate. Eurostat will publish regional 2011 GDP figures only next month or in March (some countries like France or Germany have already published their regional 2011 GDP figures, but not the UK, and I believe also not Italy). And as Minato Ku said, you take entire states (North-Rhine Westphalia) or entire swathes of a country (the south-eastern corner of England), which can't in any way be described as metro areas. It would be like lumping together the GDPs of everything from DC to Boston and describing it as a "metro area".

I've addressed this issue. Only US and Brazilian are meant to be called metro areas in the strict sense. The others might or might not.


Quote:

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine (Post 6408935)
We've already had this discussion. Most of Moscow Oblast is essentially forests and bogland. The area where urbanization and industry is concentrated is in Moscow proper and immediately around it, i.e. an area not larger than the São Paulo metro area as pictured on the map.

By your definition, Moscow area is 7 times larger than São Paulo which show clearly they're not comparable. You said it's only forests, but it doubles Moscow's population. Your definition of São Paulo metro area, today, don't even comprises the whole urban area. I guess you just picked up official definitions, that will never be changed as it has its meaning by this point.

New Brisavoine Jan 16, 2014 10:39 AM

There, to illustrate. More than 95% of Moscow's GDP is contained within the red circle. The rest is peanuts.

Here, I've assumed the rest outside of the red circle produces exactly 5% of the yellow area's GDP, i.e. $20.3 bn in 2010, which is very generous for those forests, bogland, and derelict towns. The City of Moscow proper had a GDP of $332.8 bn in 2010, and another $52.5 bn was produced in the suburbs within the red circle if we assume $20.3 bn outside the red circle.

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yuriandrade Jan 16, 2014 2:01 PM

Brisavoine, I actually don't have issues on Moscow as I'm fond of broader definitions (on the line with US CSAs) and I know it's impossible to slice Moscow Oblast.

The thing is, your definitions on Brazilian cities are too restrictive and arbitrary. I understand, as you're not familiar with, you feel more confortable to stick with ready stuff. I'm just pointing out they're not comparable with such definitions.

Centropolis Jan 16, 2014 2:40 PM

n/m

New Brisavoine Jan 16, 2014 3:22 PM

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Originally Posted by yuriandrade (Post 6409014)
I understand, as you're not familiar with, you feel more confortable to stick with ready stuff.

Who said I'm not familiar with Brazilian cities? I've got family both in Rio (Barra da Tijuca) and São Paulo (Vila Mariana). ;)

krudmonk Jan 16, 2014 3:57 PM

world's CSAs

dimondpark Jan 16, 2014 4:16 PM

yuriandrade, you should combine Washington DC and Baltimore because they are the same CSA

fleonzo Jan 16, 2014 4:35 PM

Great Work Yuri...and nice illustrations of the maps New Brisa! :tup:

yuriandrade Jan 16, 2014 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by New Brisavoine (Post 6409087)
Who said I'm not familiar with Brazilian cities? I've got family both in Rio (Barra da Tijuca) and São Paulo (Vila Mariana). ;)

Well, there 645 municipalities in São Paulo state. 39 on the official metro area and 64 in mine definition, which is comparable to the US MSAs. So it get confusing to you. As I said, you might want to expand your definitions to make them comparable. :)


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Originally Posted by krudmonk (Post 6409139)
world's CSAs

I love CSA definitions, and even though commute figures aren't easily available elsewhere, I try to emulate them (although in a more restrictive way) on Brazilian areas.


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Originally Posted by dimondpark (Post 6409170)
yuriandrade, you should combine Washington DC and Baltimore because they are the same CSA

Yes, I know. I left them apart as Baltimore is too important on its own and I prefer to have data for it. To Washington, I added all the other MSAs of the CSA, minus the Pennsylvania one as it wouldn't make sense as Baltimore was left out.

Until 2011, you can see I did the same with Providence. But as we had the 2012's enlargement, I decided it was time to merge it with Boston.


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Originally Posted by fleonzo (Post 6409197)
Great Work Yuri...and nice illustrations of the maps New Brisa! :tup:

Thank you, fleonzo! You're very kind. :)

New Brisavoine Jan 16, 2014 5:34 PM

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Originally Posted by yuriandrade (Post 6409214)
Well, there 645 municipalities in São Paulo state. 39 on the official metro area and 64 in mine definition, which is comparable to the US MSAs. So it get confusing to you. As I said, you might want to expand your definitions to make them comparable. :)

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Yes, I know. I left them apart as Baltimore is too important on its own and I prefer to have data for it. To Washington, I added all the other MSAs of the CSA, minus the Pennsylvania one as it wouldn't make sense as Baltimore was left out.

This is where you're incoherent. Santos is as far from Praça da Sé as Baltimore is from Capitol Hill, yet you include Santos in your definition of the São Paulo metro area, but exclude Baltimore from the Washington DC metro area. Not logical.

Personally I've included Baltimore in the Washington DC metro area, because both urbanized areas practically touch each other, and car commute rates in the US are extremely high. On the other hand, I've not included Santos in the São Paulo metro area, because Santos is neatly separated from the São Paulo urbanized area by a mountain range, and motorization rate in Brazil is much lower than in the US, hence less long-distance commuting.

MolsonExport Jan 16, 2014 6:01 PM

Where's Munich? The list is garbage :D



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yuriandrade Jan 16, 2014 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by New Brisavoine (Post 6409312)
This is where you're incoherent. Santos is as far from Praça da Sé as Baltimore is from Capitol Hill, yet you include Santos in your definition of the São Paulo metro area, but exclude Baltimore from the Washington DC metro area. Not logical.

I regard Washington and Baltimore as a single multipolar metro area. The only reason I bring they separated in my list is they're historically distinct metro areas, with very distinct economic base and people might want to see separated figures for each one of them. And if someone is interested in the Washington-Baltimore CSA, he can always add them together. Quite easy.

On the other hand, although a traditional city, Santos is 25 times smaller than São Paulo. So there's no reason to keep them separated.


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Originally Posted by New Brisavoine (Post 6409312)
Personally I've included Baltimore in the Washington DC metro area, because both urbanized areas practically touch each other, and car commute rates in the US are extremely high. On the other hand, I've not included Santos in the São Paulo metro area, because Santos is neatly separated from the São Paulo urbanized area by a mountain range, and motorization rate in Brazil is much lower than in the US, hence less long-distance commuting.

As I said, to me, Washington-Baltimore = metro area. São Paulo metro area has almost 24 million people (2013) against 9 million from the American one. So it's only natural São Paulo to be bigger.

In any case, my definition of São Paulo metro area is extremely compact (12,500 km²), way smaller than Washington-Baltimore CSA. It includes the official metro area plus the neighbouring regions of Santos (south), Jundiaí and Atibaia (north) and São Roque (west). That's São Paulo de facto metro area and it's actually comparable to the US MSAs, not CSAs. About commute, São Paulo and Santos are linked for two highways with ten lanes each. Motorization rates (cars only) in the area is about to reach 500/1,000 inh.

Today, using the official São Paulo metro area as the definition for the actual metro area is almost as absurd as using Greater London to define London metro area.



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Originally Posted by MolsonExport (Post 6409374)
Where's Munich? The list is garbage :D

I couldn't call Bavaria Munich. :D

Let's wait for the Eurostats for smaller units. Then, I'll redraw some European areas.

chris08876 Jan 16, 2014 8:23 PM

I wonder what the GDP is of the whole bosh-wash corridor is?

Minato Ku Jan 16, 2014 9:14 PM

One word "huge".
Take Boston, Hartford, New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, the largest cities and you have a GDP above $3,150 billion.


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