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NYguy Nov 26, 2008 10:32 AM

NEW YORK | 740 Eighth Ave (Extell) | 1,067 FT | 53 FLOORS
 
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03022007...eve_cuozzo.htm

ODD COUPLE PLANS A WINNER ON EIGHTH

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03022007/photos/biz032.jpg


By STEVE CUOZZO
March 2, 2007

An odd-couple partnership is putting together a huge Eighth Avenue building site that can support a new office tower of up to 1 million square feet, The Post has learned.

In a rare joint venture, privately held Related, headed by Stephen Ross, and publicly traded Boston Properties, led by Mort Zuckerman, have teamed up to buy half of the east blockfront between 45th and 46th streets plus several buildings on both side streets.

The deals involve a half- dozen different sellers and are valued at a total $350 million. The deals are all in contract, but will not close until later this year.

Related and Boston are buying several small vacant tenements, a small hotel, a parking lot, an 8-story garage, and "floating" air rights harvested from other sites within the city's theater subdistrict.

The site's boundaries extend to the western wall of the Imperial Theater on 46th Street and of the Music Box on West 45th.

The fact that Related and Boston have formed a single entity to buy the 30,000 square-foot site does not necessarily mean they will stick with plans for an office tower.

"Manhattan is very unpredictable, and nothing is certain," an insider cautioned.

Nor does it mean Related and Boston will stop at the deals now on the table. Sources said they still covet five small buildings at the avenue block's south end.

Adding them would enable the developers to create an uninterrupted street wall the full length of the block.

The negotiations, conducted in secret for three years, reflect the frenzy for land on Eighth Avenue - the last frontier in central Midtown for large-scale development.

Reps for both Related and Boston declined to comment. Officials at Community Board 5, which vetted the air rights transfers, could not be reached.

Sources buzzed that Grubb & Ellis' Vincent Carrega was representing the sellers and had "engi neered" the multiple and complicated transactions, but he could not be reached yesterday.

Times Square Alli ance President Tim Tompkins said, "a de velopment of this signif icance will be another crucial building block in the redefinition of Eighth Avenue from neglected little brother to an adult that's finally come into its own."

Once grungy Eighth Avenue is in dramatic transformation. The Mid town stretch boasts the New York Times head quarters at 40th Street, Worldwide Plaza at 49th Street and the Hearst tower at 57th Street.

SJP Properties will break ground this summer on 11 Times Square, an office tower between 41st and 42nd streets. Boston Prop erties is putting the finish ing touches on an assem blage between 54th and 55th streets.

Investor-developers including Steven Witkoff have numerous development sites as well.

NYguy Nov 26, 2008 10:33 AM

http://www.observer.com/2008/real-es...ffice-building

Boston, Related Buy Big Development Rights for Eighth Avenue Office Building

by Dana Rubinstein
November 25, 2008

If their paper trail is any evidence, the ungodly economy is not preventing Mort Zuckerman and Stephen Ross from moving forward with plans to build an enormous office tower at 740 Eighth Avenue.

Word of the tower has been seeping into the news since last year, when Boston Properties and Related Companies revealed they were putting together the project’s footprint by buying out about six property owners at a reported price of $350 million.

The tower—on the east side of Eighth Avenue, between 45th and 46th streets, alongside the Imperial Theater and the Music Box—could rival the neighboring SJP Properties’ 11 Times Square and the New York Times tower in size at a possible 1 million square feet.

On Oct. 23, the developers filed requests to transfer a total of 120,319 square feet of development rights from the Jacobs, Booth and Broadhurst theaters, all owned by the Shubert Organization. The development rights would, according to the documents, be used “to construct an office building.”

The developers also requested “a special permit to build a 406-space attended public parking lot” on the site.

Neither developer’s reps would comment for this story. But sources say that Related and Boston have promised a local parking lot owner a garage in the new tower in exchange for the right to buy his property.

The Department of City Planning is currently reviewing the applications. The seven-month land-use review process is slated to begin some time in the coming months. So the tower, if completed, might just rise in tandem with the economy.

babybackribs2314 Nov 26, 2008 11:24 AM

I feel like 8th is going to be the most impressive skyscraper canyon in 20 years... or maybe still behind 6th. It's just getting built up so quickly--and these buildings are genuinely canyon-like, with the NYTT and 11 Times Square not really being receded from the street. Oh, but this proposal, the PA tower, and the one on 55th are all very interesting.

NYguy Nov 26, 2008 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babybackribs2314 (Post 3935863)
I feel like 8th is going to be the most impressive skyscraper canyon in 20 years... or maybe still behind 6th. It's just getting built up so quickly--and these buildings are genuinely canyon-like, with the NYTT and 11 Times Square not really being receded from the street. Oh, but this proposal, the PA tower, and the one on 55th are all very interesting.

Don't underestimate the Park Avenue canyon, which rivals 6th Ave in greatness...:yes:

ZZ-II Nov 27, 2008 5:26 PM

cool news, ny is booming in the crisis :)

NYC4Life Nov 27, 2008 7:37 PM

And I thought NY's boom came to an end, here we go again with yet, another tower. :)

NYguy Nov 28, 2008 4:07 AM

^ This may take a while to come together, but the sooner the better...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/106439690/large.jpg

Dale Dec 2, 2008 10:00 PM

I don't understand how one-million sq.ft. constitutes 'enormous' in NYC.

Impressionable journalism ?

NYguy Dec 3, 2008 2:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale (Post 3947947)
I don't understand how one-million sq.ft. constitutes 'enormous' in NYC.

Impressionable journalism ?

Yep.

NYguy Jan 30, 2009 3:04 AM

Put on hold before it even began...
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/apps/pb...FREE/901299965

Times Square-area tower put on hold
Boston Properties and The Related Cos. pull back from Eighth Avenue project, take charges.


January 29, 2009

Boston Properties Inc. and The Related Cos. have put the breaks on ambitious plans to build an office tower in Times Square area.

The news was contained in the Boston Properties’ latest earnings report, which was released Thursday. That report showed that in the final quarter of the year the company recorded nearly $190 million in write downs and expenses related to three Manhattan office towers that it acquired from troubled real estate developer Harry Macklowe last year.

According to the earnings report, the two developers suspended work on the Eighth Avenue and 46th Street project in the fourth quarter. As a result of the suspension, Boston Properties reported a charge of about $23 million, which stems from forfeited contract deposits, planning and pre-development and other costs.

Boston Properties did not immediately return calls for comment, while Related declined to comment.

As recently as October, the developers had filed requests with the New York City Department of Planning to transfer 120,000 square feet of development rights from three nearby theaters on Eighth Avenue between 45th and 46th streets that are owned by the Shubert Organization. The rights were to be used to add extra stories to the planned tower. In addition, the developers had requested a special permit to build a 406-space public parking lot on the site. The applications for the transfer were officially withdrawn on Jan. 12, according to the Department of City Planning Web site.

Separately, Boston Properties reported Wednesday $188 million of impairment charges during the fourth quarter of 2008 due to the decline in fair value of some of its office properties in Manhattan. The company’s total charges for the quarter also included the expenses associated with the scrapped Times Square project.

Last year, it bought the three office towers—540 Madison Ave., Two Grand Central Tower and 125 West 55th St.—from Harry Macklowe for $1.1 billion at the same time it acquired the General Motors Building for $2.8 billion from Mr. Macklowe’s bank.

NYguy Feb 16, 2011 2:19 PM

http://www.observer.com/2011/real-es...lideshow/title

740 Eighth Avenue

http://www.observer.com/files/slides...1.ZXwHHF1M.jpg

By Laura Kusisto
February 15, 2011

Quote:

During one of the bleakest months in recent memory, November 2008, Mort Zuckerman and Stephen Ross moved forward with plans to build a tower between 45th and 46th streets to rival nearby 11 Times Square. They bought up six property owners at a reported price of $350 million.

More than two years and a number of delays later, assemblage is complete, according to Cassidy Turley. A spokeswoman for Mr. Ross’ Related Companies said no further information was available.


patriotizzy Feb 17, 2011 12:49 AM

^^^^ I suppose we will be seeing renders sometime soon?

NYguy Feb 17, 2011 6:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patriotizzy (Post 5167904)
^^^^ I suppose we will be seeing renders sometime soon?

We'll see. Related may be looking to jumpstart things on the railyards first, but Boston Properties may be willing to move forward.

tommaso Jun 12, 2011 9:20 AM

Will we be looking at an empty lot for a while here?

sbarn Aug 16, 2012 2:30 AM

It sounds like this one will likely spring back to life: http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/08/...est-side-site/.

Renderings.
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attach...9&d=1344995738
http://www.bergflynn.com/work-1.html

yankeesfan1000 Aug 16, 2012 12:48 PM

Nice to see this empty lot might finally get developed, even though the tower looks pretty dull. Hopefully Glenwood can get their tower across the street moving as well and another 8th Ave parking lot will bite the dust.

NYguy Aug 16, 2012 3:22 PM

I guess it will be better than an empty lot. Not sure if that rendering is anything current.

babybackribs2314 Aug 16, 2012 6:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbarn (Post 5800031)

I believe those renderings are for a cancelled tower on the West Side of 8th, not the East.

Crawford Aug 16, 2012 8:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babybackribs2314 (Post 5800724)
I believe those renderings are for a cancelled tower on the West Side of 8th, not the East.

No, this site is on the East Side of 8th Ave.

NYC2ATX Aug 17, 2012 8:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 5800886)
No, this site is on the East Side of 8th Ave.

True, this thread is for the site on the east side of Eighth. However, I believe babyback is correct. The address on the site of 301 West 46th indicates that it is the first address on the block between Eighth and Ninth, therefore the west side of Eighth. As far as the status of this tower you've just shown, I have no idea, but I don't believe this is proposed for the 740 site.

scalziand Aug 17, 2012 7:12 PM

Yes, the renders sbarn posted do appear to be on the west side of 8th ave, on the green parcel. 740 8th ave is on the red parcel.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7056/7408th.jpg

THE BIG APPLE Aug 17, 2012 8:05 PM

It's probably going to be another 500-700 foot box, judging from the sq ft it's going to have (1 msf).

cruzin4u Aug 23, 2012 4:37 AM

I spent the weekend in NYC and stayed at the Milford Plaza. Here is a good photo I took of the sites you guys are talking about.

http://www.candidbling.com/IMG_1716.jpg

yankeesfan1000 May 9, 2013 12:58 AM

Hope this is the right thread.

West 46th Street Tower Revived As 29-Story Hotel
Wednesday, May 8, 2013, by Jessica Dailey

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/Screen-...2.28.22-PM.jpg

"... Scaffolding has risen around the empty building, and DOB filings confirm the structure is not long for this world. Demolition permits were issued at the end of February...


But we won't be seeing the 38-story condo-hotel tower that was previously planned for the site. DOB documents show that the building has been chopped to 29 stories and it lost the 35 condo units, as well as more than half of the 375 hotel rooms. New filings show there will be just 146 rooms, and floors three through five will be occupied by an atrium. The ground floor and cellar level will have retail..."

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/Screen-...2.30.45-PM.jpg

NYguy May 18, 2013 5:12 AM

Extell will take over...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/18...son-yards.html


Quote:

Mr. Barnett had stymied Related’s plan to build an office tower at the Eighth Avenue property. He leads a group that owns an adjoining parcel, where they could now build an even larger tower.

NYguy May 18, 2013 6:27 PM

My guess is that Extell will build a large hotel/residential development.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150257364/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150257366/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150257368/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150257370/original.jpg

Crawford May 19, 2013 8:48 PM

I'm willing to bet that Extell is planning something very tall here. Would not be surprised if another supertall.

Gary Barnett now has 1.2 million square feet of developable space on this site, and his main focus is mixed use hotel/condo projects. I see a tall, skinny tower, with hotel at base, and high-priced condo units at the top.

And wow, you could basically go as tall as you want here. 1.2 million square feet can deliver some serious, cloud-scraping height if going residential instead of office.

antinimby May 19, 2013 10:30 PM

Besides the parking lot, what other lot(s) are part of his plot? I hope it's not those vibrant walkups.

fimiak May 20, 2013 12:17 AM

Looks like five roach nests to me. Tear them down. :worship: Worship glass.

Hamilton May 20, 2013 2:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 6134155)
Besides the parking lot, what other lot(s) are part of his plot? I hope it's not those vibrant walkups.

I'm pretty sure they were a part of the original plan. ACRIS lists RBP (i.e., Related-Boston Properties) 45th Street LLC as owner of at least one of the rowhouses (Block 1017, Lot 1). But each lot seems to be listed under its own obscure shell company. That's standard practice when a company is silently buying up a block.

There were another 5 walkups on the northern part of the block. The cavemen at Boston Properties tore them down before having solid plans for the site and left the corner looking like Detroit. I got attacked at around 10pm by a mob on that now-desolate but formerly active corner a couple of years ago after the demolition.

Roadcruiser1 May 20, 2013 2:26 AM

It doesn't look like those tenement buildings are going to go. Look at the far right of the picture.

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/Screen-...2.28.22-PM.jpg

Hamilton May 20, 2013 2:29 AM

^^ That's Glenwood Management's plan for 301 W 46th, which is catty-corner from the Extell site.

It would be a separate project.

NYguy May 20, 2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 6134312)
It doesn't look like those tenement buildings are going to go. Look at the far right of the picture.

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/Screen-...2.28.22-PM.jpg

That's the opposite side of 8th. Besides Worldwide Plaza giving it away, and the address, the small buildings can be seen in this photo. (the rendering was before the "sliver" went up)

Here's a loot at that site...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/150294626/original.jpg




Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 6134062)
I see a tall, skinny tower, with hotel at base, and high-priced condo units at the top.

Yeah, residential and hotels are the hottest things going in the city right now. This site would be perfect for both. I expect a mixed-use residential/hotel tower that will be taller than anything
in the area.

NYguy Jun 5, 2013 10:22 PM

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...Xe8KOSx5CYPJFK

Lois Weiss
June 5, 2013

Quote:

Last month, it was revealed Related was trying to swap Extell’s Gary Barnett a site it owns with Boston Properties on Eighth Avenue and West 45th Street that we told you it was selling through Mark Weiss of Newmark Grubb Knight Frank.

This is next to a garage controlled by Barnett. In return, Related wanted Barnett’s 1 Hudson Yards site at 34th Street and Eleventh Avenue so it could move forward with its giant towers and retail podium.

Now we’ve learned the deal is actually in contract, with Related throwing in the Times Square site and adding cash to sweeten the pot to gain the 1 Hudson site from Barnett.


sbarn Jun 5, 2013 10:30 PM

This tower could become quite substantial then...

NYguy Sep 4, 2013 11:55 AM

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...guURJe6DBGrg5N

‘Comet’ on tail of Ross deal

By LOIS WEISS
September 3, 2013


Quote:

Rival developers Gary Barnett of Extell Development and Related Cos.’s Steven Ross have completed their swap of development sites, clearing the way for a great comet to descend on Times Square.

In May, we reported that Related, along with partner Boston Properties, had hired Newmark Grubb Knight Frank’s Mark Weiss to sell a Times Square site at the northeast corner of West 45th Street and Eighth Avenue that was located next to an Extell-owned garage that was also being prepped for development.

Since Barnett was becoming a thorn in Ross’s side by rebranding his West 34th Street and 11th Avenue site as One Hudson Yards — undercutting proposed rents at Related and partner Oxford Properties’ Hudson Yards towers — the parties soon came to an amicable agreement. We’ve now learned the deal quietly closed at the end of July.

With the lots about to be in hand, Extell was approached by Anita Grossberg of the Sroka Worldwide Team at Douglas Elliman, whose client has now leased the vacant portion for “Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812.”

The dinner theater cabaret show, produced by Howard and Janet Kagen, has been in a temporary location in the Meatpacking District at Washington and West 13th Street but is being booted for the development of another project. Grossberg says the show will open Sept. 24 at 259-267 W. 45th Street and run at least through the beginning of January with the possibility of extensions.

easy as pie Sep 4, 2013 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 5802133)
Yes, the renders sbarn posted do appear to be on the west side of 8th ave, on the green parcel. 740 8th ave is on the red parcel.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7056/7408th.jpg

it's a shame to lose those walk-ups, but the extell garage on 45th st (north of the red-shaded zone on the right side) adds a major slice, increasing the size by 20%. wonder if we'll see a major commercial component come in here - i mean, you've three sides of high traffic street frontage here, it'd be mad not to try to integrate some restaurant row/theatre district commercial at the street levels.

NYguy Sep 5, 2013 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by easy as pie (Post 6254998)
it's a shame to lose those walk-ups, but the extell garage on 45th st (north of the red-shaded zone on the right side) adds a major slice, increasing the size by 20%. wonder if we'll see a major commercial component come in here - i mean, you've three sides of high traffic street frontage here, it'd be mad not to try to integrate some restaurant row/theatre district commercial at the street levels.

I suspect there will be a large hotel component.

NYguy Dec 10, 2013 7:24 AM

http://nypost.com/2013/12/09/theater...ve-profitable/

Theater Subdistrict zoning continues to prove profitable


http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com...0&h=480&crop=1

Broadhurst and Majestic Theatres’ air rights will be transferred to the Roseland Ballroom site for a residential tower.


By Lois Weiss
December 9, 2013

Quote:

The Theater Subdistrict zoning that provides for air rights transfers within an area around Broadway has enabled prominent theaters to be preserved while providing funds for other theater-related uses.

The 15-year-old zoning plan allows landmarked Broadway theaters to sell and transfer air rights within the district, and not just on the same block or across the street as with regular zoning. The subdistrict is generally encompassed by West 40th and West 57th Streets between Sixth and Eighth Avenues.


In addition to sustaining the theaters through the income from the sale of their transferable air rights, commitments can be made to use portions of the new buildings for legitimate theater purposes; there’s also a specific contribution per transferable foot that is deposited into the Theater Subdistrict Fund.

So far 473,546 square feet of transferable development rights (TDRs), commonly called air rights, have been sold and generated a contribution of $6,421,880 to the fund for an average of $13.56 per TDR.

.....Gary Barnett’s Extell Development has taken over a project that was being assembled by Boston Properties and the Related Companies at 750 Eighth Ave. that was to include an office building over a 406-space garage. In this case, the Boston/Related team had already agreed to purchase TDRs from the Shubert Organization’s Broadhurst Theatre, and was also buying the small building at the northeast corner of 45th Street housing the Frankie & Johnnie’s Steakhouse, which the Shuberts also own. Additionally, the developers had planned to purchase 120,319 square feet of TDRs from the Jacobs, Booth and Broadhurst theaters.

In order to complete the project, Barnett is likely now renegotiating the purchase of these TDRs and the finished development could also be changed from an office tower to become a hotel or residential condos.

Perklol Dec 10, 2013 2:48 PM

As expected - rentals at 52nd and condos with Gary.

Off topic but what is the name of that stumpy building behind this theater? It looks very nice from this view but the front is a totally different story. :slob:

scalziand Dec 10, 2013 6:05 PM

Look closer; you can see the building's sign on the left hand side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Milford_New_York_Hotel

NYguy Dec 11, 2013 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eveningsong (Post 6369375)
As expected - rentals at 52nd and condos with Gary.

Off topic but what is the name of that stumpy building behind this theater? It looks very nice from this view but the front is a totally different story. :slob:

Supposedly that one is being renovated.

But yeah, it was likely Barnett would be going with condos instead of office space, otherwise he'd have stayed in the Hudson Yards. He should be able to assemble a pretty decent tower here. I wouldn't expect anything right away, but you never know.

Perklol Dec 11, 2013 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6370104)
Supposedly that one is being renovated.

But yeah, it was likely Barnett would be going with condos instead of office space, otherwise he'd have stayed in the Hudson Yards. He should be able to assemble a pretty decent tower here. I wouldn't expect anything right away, but you never know.

Agree. Barnett could do an office tower but condos is his focus. Anything right away? Could be but that holiday tent could be extended and get in the way. :)

antinimby Dec 11, 2013 6:11 PM

I don't know the exact zoning is for this lot but if it's commercial then I hope the city won't let Extell build more ultra lux condos here.

Last thing we need more of is to take away lots zoned for offices and replace them with more unaffordable, mostly unoccuppied pied-a-terres.

scalziand Dec 11, 2013 8:19 PM

The combined lot would be split between C6-4 and C6-5, both of which give an option of whether to build office and/or residential.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/zone...andbook/c6.pdf

NYguy Dec 11, 2013 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 6370889)
I don't know the exact zoning is for this lot but if it's commercial then I hope the city won't let Extell build more ultra lux condos here.

Last thing we need more of is to take away lots zoned for offices and replace them with more unaffordable, mostly unoccuppied pied-a-terres.


Who says it will be that? There are residential towers going up all over Manhattan, a lot of them tall, and no, not all of them are "mostly unoccuppied pied-a-terres".

Anyway, whatever the case, I'm sure Extell wouldn't have a problem getting approval for a residential/hotel tower here, the city's focus being on the west side and east side of Manhattan. This particular stretch isn't known as an office haven, and I doubt the city would press it to be, with all of the surrounding residential and hotel space. But time will tell what Barnett has planned.

njcco Dec 26, 2013 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 6370889)
I don't know the exact zoning is for this lot but if it's commercial then I hope the city won't let Extell build more ultra lux condos here.

Last thing we need more of is to take away lots zoned for offices and replace them with more unaffordable, mostly unoccuppied pied-a-terres.

Once in a while, I actually agree with you! :cheers:

NYguy Jan 1, 2014 8:11 PM

http://nypost.com/2013/12/31/your-go...icks-for-2013/

Lois Weis
December 31, 2013


Quote:

Presenting the Between the Bricks annual Golden Bricks to the best and worst of the city’s slickers:

• Super Swapper: This award goes to Gary Barnett, who dubbed his Eleventh Avenue and West 34th Street office development site One Hudson Yards, thus annoying Related Companies’ Stephen Ross, who is developing the “official” Hudson Yards. This did prompt Related and partner Boston Properties to trade their development site at 46th Street and Eighth Avenue to Barnett, which he had already surrounded, killing any possible project other than his.


Barnett knows how to deal. I think both sides came out winners on this one.

Crawford Jan 1, 2014 8:31 PM

With over one million square feet of development potential, this should very tall and slim. Will supposedly be another condo-hotel hybrid.

NYguy Aug 27, 2014 1:11 PM

http://nypost.com/2014/08/22/shubert...d-new-theater/

Shuberts intend to build a brand-new theater


http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com...0&h=480&crop=1


By Michael Riedel
August 22, 2014


Quote:

The Shubert Organization, Broadway’s biggest and most powerful landlord, is expanding its Times Square empire.

The company recently made a bid for New World Stages, the complex of underground off-Broadway theaters on West 50th Street. Now comes word the Shuberts plan to build a state-of-the-art, 1,500-seat Broadway theater between West 45th and 46th streets — sandwiched between Frankie & Johnnie’s steakhouse and the Shuberts’ Imperial Theatre.

The proposed site is now partly filled with tents selling trinkets to tourists. The Shuberts can build there because they own the lot. The company declined to discuss its plans in detail, saying only that it is “in negotiations.”


http://deadline.com/2014/08/the-plot...oadway-825192/


The Plot Thickens: Will A ‘New’ Shubert Theater Tower Over Broadway?


http://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress....1&h=202&crop=1


by Jeremy Gerard
August 27, 2014


Quote:

Since everyone is dousing everyone else these dog days with buckets of ice to raise money for ALS research, I offer a challenge of my own to The New York Post‘s Michael Riedel: Meet me at Bar Centrale the day after Labor Day 2019. If, five years from now, there’s a new, 1,500-seat Broadway theater around the corner on Eighth Avenue between 45th and 46th streets, you can douse me with a bucket of ice and I’ll write a $100 check to the Shubert Foundation. And if it’s a Shubert theater, I’ll make it $200.

If, however, there’s no theater in the luxury apartment tower Gary “One57″ Barnett’s Extell Corp is planning for that site, you have to write a check for $200 to my favorite charity, Greater Education, Rehabilitation And Recreation for Dropouts (you can just use the initials).

Shubert, as we know, owns valuable land and even more valuable air rights in the Theater District, and Broadway’s biggest landlord has been doing some heavy horse trading recently, exchanging oxygen for dollars and planning a takeover of a five-theater off-Broadway complex on 50th Street west of Eighth Avenue. But a new Broadway theater, at a cost of $150 million? Ehhhh, I don’t think so. Neither does the powerful Community Board 5, which controls building plans in the area and has received no paperwork for any such project at 740 Eighth Ave.

The site we’re talking about, which currently hosts a crafts market and a parking lot, originally was put together by real estate giant Related Companies, owned by Stephen Ross. But Barnett held the rights to a key chunk of the land where Related is building the Hudson Yards mixed-use development site that’s roughly the size of Rhode Island. So Related and Extell negotiated a land swap.

Now Barnett reputedly is planning another super-skyscraper along the lines of One57, the billionaires-only tower that casts a sunrise shadow from 57th and 7th to the Delaware Water Gap.

I can pretty much guarantee there will be no free-standing new theater on that site. So, will Barnett’s 740 Eighth Avenue project include a Broadway theater? He didn’t respond to several requests for confirmation. When I asked Shubert Chairman Philip J. Smith, he laughed and said, “No comment.” But there are a number of obstacles besides common sense that make a new theater seem unlikely. The site has one piece that, so far, neither Barnett nor the Shuberts has gotten hold of: the ancient, family-owned bistro Pergola Des Artistes, whose proprietors have shown no inclination to sell. A new Broadway theater would be saddled with the same insane operating costs as the rest of the Street.

Perhaps most important is Broadway economics, which since time immemorial have favored landlords over producers. Producers might wail over the fact that they have to wait in lines three deep for theaters to open up for their shows, but the Big Three landlords — Shubert has 17 houses, Nederlander nine and Jujamcyn five — couldn’t be happier. Their theaters are guaranteed paying tenants even as the Broadway audience shrinks, Broadway ticket prices rise and Hollywood stars leave town in a huff when they don’t get Tony nominations. Hudson Yards already is planning a giant theatrical space to compete with Broadway’s biggest houses. A 1,500-seat theater in the Broadway mix is a very rocky proposition. I’ll believe it when I see it.

So stock up on ice, meet us at Bar Centrale on Tuesday, September 3, 2019 — and please, bring a couple of towels.



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