ATLANTA TRANSIT (Marta, Beltline, Peachtree Streetcar, LovJoy Commuter, etc...)
I wanted to know how others view the plans for the future rail developments in Atlanta... Please provide your opinions and inputs...
First: PEACHTREE STREETCARS I LOVE the idea for a streetcar along the Peachtree corridor, but I think that the proposed plans could use a little work. Here's the proposed streetcar system: http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...reetcarmap.jpg The plans still don't involve service to the South East region where Turner Field, Capitol Gateway, Zoo Atlanta, Grant Park and Glenwood Village are located. Here's what I propose that the streetcar system should look like::tup: http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...reetcarmap.jpg I understand that it may be a bit of a stretch to complete my plans, but if anything there should at a minimum be service to the Abernathy-Turner Field-Zoo Atlanta Corridor. Videos http://www.atlantastreetcar.org/pres...finalpiece.wmv Links http://www.atlantastreetcar.com/index.cfm 2nd: PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR ON PEACHTREE Notice that on my map, I placed a pedestrian only (with Streetcar) zone along Peachtree between North Avenue and The Woodruff Arts Center. Does anyone besides me believe that this is possible? I took a trip to Denver and saw their 16th Street Mall. It is a mile long stretch of pedestrian road serviced by FREE electric buses. It's the center of the city life. The street is lined with restaurants, retail, nightclubs, hotels, gift shops and a mall. Very inviting. What's most interesting is that at one time, 16th Steet was automobile traffic. It's not quite Denver's Peachtree, but it's not far from it. It was a major traffic artery through the center of downtown and now it's THE SPOT to hang out. Could this be accomplished on Midtown's Peachtree? If not on Peachtree, can it be accomplished on another street? Piedmont, Juniper, Courtland (Downtown), Peachtree Center Ave., Fairlie, Poplar... Denver's 16th Street Mall: http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...treet_Mall.jpg Santa Monica's 3rd Street Promenade: http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...treetProm2.jpg Links http://www.hellocoloradosprings.com/...16thstreet.htm http://www.16thstreetmall.denverfanatic.com/ 3rd: NoGA RAIL SYSTEM and LOVEJOY COMMUTER RAIL I really like the plans for a Massive North GA Commuter Rail System. Proposed Atlanta - Athens Commuter http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...lanta-rail.jpg http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...a-rail-uni.jpg Proposed NoGA Commuter System with LoveJoy Commuter Rail http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...mmuterrail.gif Links http://www.atlantadowntown.com/Plans...20Proposal.pdf http://www.garail.com/Pages/pdf/2006athensfactsheet.pdf 4th: GA HIGH SPEED RAIL SYSTEM & INTERCITY RAIL I think that this is VERY interesting... If they pull this off, I will be VERY surprised and HIGHLY impressed. High speed train from ATL - Savannah... Wow... From GA Aquarium to Tennessee Aquarium... Sounds GREAT... http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ercityrail.gif Links www.sehsr.org/ 5th: THE ATLANTA BELTLINE I LOVE this idea, but what is holding up the progress? http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...taBeltline.jpg Videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGb_P5NCgE0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZd3QnHtJ5Y Links www.beltline.org/ www.beltlinecommunity.com/ 6th: ATLANTA HARTSFIELD-JACKSON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT wow, that's a lot to say... When is the airport going to do an overhaul on it's concourses. It's LONG overdue. The Concourse NEED a LOT of work for them to look like a world class airport. To be the busiest airport on Earth, it sure doesn't look like it while walking to your gate. They could just raise the roofs of all the concourses (maybe even add a second level for people movers) and top them with glass to give the feel of sky and space. They need to take a look at some other airports (Chicago O'Hare, Denver, DC Reagan, etc..) and get busy catching up with the times. Links http://www.atlanta-airport.com/ |
Some artist renderings of what a streetcar my look like in Atlanta
Which one is your favorite? Streetcar #1 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...aStreetcar.jpg Streetcar #2 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...Streetcar2.jpg Streetcar #3 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...car3Athens.jpg Streetcar #4 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...r4Budapest.jpg Streetcar #5 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...r5Budapest.jpg Streetcar #3 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...car6Athens.jpg Streetcar #6 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...r7Bordeaux.jpg Streetcar #5 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...r8Budapest.jpg Streetcar #7 http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...Streetcar9.jpg My favorite is Streetcar #7 or Streetcar #2 |
I prefer the modern trams, I just hope that the windows open. In Milan, there has been a huge backlash agains the new, sleek ones because the windows are sealed and people don't like it.
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Where is exactly in New Orleans does that run? New Orleans only has single car street car systems - currently three routes.
As for the original options, I like # 7. |
I would prefer the styles of #3, 6, and 7. Red and Silver are both pleasing colors. Hopefully if it happens it wont be Peach colored. :haha:
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Speaking of transit, I sold my gas guzzling car over the weekend and am now officially relying on MARTA as my primary method of transportation.
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Watch out drivers, the revolution is coming! :haha: |
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That is the primary reason why traffic is as bad as it is now. MARTA just isn't getting the average commuter where they need to go in a reasonable time. The majority of Atlantans are not from Atlanta. They are usually from various larger cities (mainly New York, Chicago and DC). That means that most new Atlantans come from a place where they don't need a car and would most likely love to commute without an automobile, but MARTA just isn't doing the job for them. I understand that MARTA has for years been against a few brick walls unable to gain public support for expanding into the Clayton Co., Cobb Co. and Gwinnett Co suburbs but that is not all they can do as far as expansion. What about the rest of Atlanta CITY that is not being covered by rail service. Not EVERYONE works along the Peachtree corridor. Infact, most Atlantans DON'T work along the MARTA system. In Manhattan, DC and Chicago, stations are placed strategically so that you are within walking distance of a station as long as you are anywhere in the city center. People would like to be able to WALK (not depend on the inefficient bus service) from a nearby trainstation to places like Fernbank, Stone Mountain park, Zoo Atlanta, King Plow Arts Center, Six Flags, Emory University and CDC, Cumberland/Galleria area, Lithonia, Virginia Highlands, The Vinings, the list goes on... If MARTA ran into the county line walls years ago, they should have started improving the rail system in the city's center. "If you build it, they will come..." That saying is SO true. If MARTA wants ridership, they need to first expand rail system coverage. Not wait until people get out of their cars to expand, because that just won't happen. If you take a look at this map of Atlanta, you'll notice that the railway does already exist if MARTA wanted to build stations and place trains that would service the North Western and South Eastern neighborhoods. Maybe even to Stone Mountain: http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/usa-m...a-city-map.jpg MARTA needs to grow a pair, take a chance and spend the money (an investment) to first build it, then the riders will come. |
Call me crazy but I think it takes a little more than balls to fund a mass transit system.
While I personally really like MARTA and think it gets a uneccessarily bad rap, I think rather than trying to expand it now, it's a better idea to support the Beltline. Not necessarily because it's so much better, but because it's transit free of MARTA's stigma and therefore something the public can legitimately rally behind and support with dollars. That last part is, you know, important. This town likes a winner and right now the winner is not MARTA no matter how much I want it to be. Speaking of winners, hey check out the Wren's Nest on that map of yours! Booya. |
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As you have correctly stated, there is a fairly extensive rail network in and around Atlanta. (See below) http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...troRailMap.jpg Some at the DOT have been trying to leverage this into a comprehensive Commuter Rail network for years: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...mmuterrail.gif A visionary grad student at Georgia Tech looked at the rail lines in Atlanta and came up with this concept: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...conceptmap.jpg Some business interests have also been pushing another concept that doesn't necessarily use the rail network, but it would enhance transit options: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...reetcarmap.jpg If you overlay these and a few other concepts, you get a fairly comprehensive transit system: http://www.cfpt.org/images/wctv/hires.gif So there are some pretty gutsy proposals out there. Now, whose going to pay for these? |
If the state was equal in how they spent transportation funds, they would have to pay most of the cost of transit. Here is how the state pays for roads, along with other southern states:
http://parca.samford.edu/Road%20and%...s/image014.gif The red area is what is covered by the gas tax. Notice in Georgia it is almost nothing. Most of the cost is paid for either by local funds (SPLOST, property taxes, county general fund) or state general funds (state property tax, state income tax, etc.). This is what makes me laugh when people say transit should pay for itself because roads do through gas taxes. |
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Rob - GRTA can't achieve too much with Sonny-Bubba at the helm of the government.
I am VERY worried about the next four years. If we don't get moving soon, it may be too late by the time we get real leadership. |
I'd rather see Atlanta and suburbs focus on surface street improvements, which are badly needed.
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Surface street improvements? Give me a break - Atlanta has some of the best roads in the world. Maybe I just happen to travel where all the roads are constantly repaved because I think we're way ahead of the curve on road quality.
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I'm speaking of, for example, Howell Mill, Northside Drive, MLK, Ponce, Cleveland Avenue, parts of Marietta Street north of the COP area, quite a few major cross streets, etc. The main problem is not paving, but rather broken up sidewalks, sad looking curbing, unsynchronized traffic signals, and unanesthetic streetscapes. These problems quite often extend out into suburbia.
The deferred maintenance probably runs into the hundreds of millions. I'd like to see some more street sweepers purchased, and mowing of rights of way where applicable. The comment was made by an out-of-town visitor that, judging from the streets, Atlanta is a "lazy city". This sort of stuff could be done without much public discussion or controversy....just do it. |
Well unfortunately no matter how pretty we make our streets, they'll still be as congested as they were before. I am all for streetscape improvements, but I think there's bigger transportation issues to address at this point.
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