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ltsmotorsport Feb 20, 2014 7:19 AM
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Originally Posted by peanut gallery (Post 6458669)
A wee bit of news on 50 First St in this article on the recent purchase of 82-84 First St (the little 3-story one in from the corner along First).

It says that a decision could be made within a few weeks on one of 3 "starchitects" in the running for the redesign.

BTW, 82-84 First was purchased by Stanford Hotels Group. I'm curious what their plans are. Does anyone have the height limit zoned for that parcel? The article dismisses any chance TMG will try to buy and incorporate it into their plans for 50 First St.
I wish 78 First Street was part of the preservation effort too, but that doesn't seem to be the case from the drawings we've seen so far. Doubt it would make it out of any new redesigns either.

peanut gallery Feb 21, 2014 1:26 AM
^Me too. I like that type of fine-grained development. I'll miss these and the set over on Second that will be demolished to bring trains into Transbay.

ltsmotorsport Feb 21, 2014 6:17 AM
Yeah, it's fine-grained development like this that gives urban places, and especially San Francisco its character. I wouldn't describe myself as a preservationist, but when the building stock being lost is this good, it's hard to know it'll soon be gone.

Those buildings you mentioned on 2nd are equally great too. Wish there were easy/cheap ways to move buildings like this. If only.

cv94117 Feb 21, 2014 4:54 PM
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Originally Posted by peanut gallery (Post 6461407)
^Me too. I like that type of fine-grained development. I'll miss these and the set over on Second that will be demolished to bring trains into Transbay.
You won't miss the ones on Second. Most of us will be six feet under before trains ever come to Transbay.

ozone Mar 26, 2014 8:51 PM
Looks like there's movement on this one. Socketsite is reporting Foster + Partners has been picked for new design. Let's hope it gets built this time!

Zapatan Mar 26, 2014 9:39 PM
SF skyline is gonna be so different!

Build Build Build! :D

tall/awkward Mar 26, 2014 11:59 PM
Finally! Big name architects designing San Francisco!

Let's hope we're finally ready to embrace them...

a very long weekend Mar 27, 2014 12:31 AM
well, loads of globally-renowned architecture firms have worked here, it's just that it's rare that we get a tower out of them in the south fidi area. like, morphosis, pereira, philip johnson plus all the smaller towers and things on the rise. but i definitely take your point that it's nice to see all these towers break from the SOM/gensler/HOK (and the horrible heller/manus) and other american superfirms.

mt_climber13 Mar 27, 2014 2:25 AM
Pelli, SOM, Foster, Koolhaas, Snøhetta, Handel, Arquitectonica, Piano. Is this San Francisco or Chicago? :tup:

fimiak Mar 27, 2014 8:29 AM
This bodes well.

Off-topic but if Zaha Hadid is ever chosen to do something awesome in SF I might faint. http://www.tumblr.com/search/zaha+hadid

a very long weekend Mar 27, 2014 7:41 PM
http://i.imgur.com/knJUTdq.jpg

ElDuderino Mar 27, 2014 8:59 PM
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Starchitect Norman Foster In for Massive Transbay Project
Thursday, March 27, 2014, by Tracy Elsen

Foster + Partners, led by starchitect Norman Foster, along with local firm Heller Manus have been chosen as the architects on a 2 million square foot mixed-use development at First and Mission. Foster + Partners has been active in the Bay Area lately with Apple's upcoming spaceship campus and the Union Square Apple store, but this will be the firm's first residential and mixed-used project in San Francisco. The site, which is next to the upcoming Transbay Transit Center, will include two towers with 1.35 million square feet of office/commercial space and 650,000 square feet of residential units. A solely residential tower will rise to 605 feet, while the second 850-foot tower will include hotel, office and residential space and stand taller than any other residential tower on the West Coast.

Norman Foster spoke about about the project's importance and how it will link into the city. "The First and Mission towers are incredibly exciting in urban and environmental term - bringing together places to live and work with the city's most important transport hub," he said. "The project further evolves a sustainable model of high density, mixed-used development that we have always promoted." He also talked about plans for the project: the buildings will be open and accessible at ground-level, and there will be new pedestrian routes through the site. Developers TMG Partners and real estate investment firm Northwood Investors LLC are developing the project and announced the choice of architect. This is the second starchitect picked for the Transbay in as many weeks, with Rem Koolhaas just selected for a 550-foot tower at Block 8.
http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...ay_project.php

mt_climber13 Mar 31, 2014 11:50 PM
The taller tower is going to be 85 floors and 1.35 million sq. ft. Of commercial space.. 25 more floors and just as big as Transbay Tower! I wouldn't be surprised if this reached 1,000 ft. (Including spire, crown)

"The project is comprised of two towers — one 60 stories and one 85 stories. The taller tower will have 1.35 million square feet of office and commercial space — including a hotel"

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci...-transbay.html

hruski Mar 31, 2014 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 6520509)
The taller tower is going to be 85 floors and 1.35 million sq. ft. Of commercial space.. 25 more floors and just as big as Transbay Tower! I wouldn't be surprised if this reached 1,000 ft. (Including spire, crown)

"The project is comprised of two towers — one 60 stories and one 85 stories. The taller tower will have 1.35 million square feet of office and commercial space — including a hotel"

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranci...-transbay.html
It seems like Biz Journals tends to get its numbers wrong about projects this early in the design process. I wouldn't be surprised if they meant to say 600ft and 850 ft instead of 60 floors and 85 floors.

sentinel Apr 1, 2014 12:40 AM
^^Damn, at 85 stories, this will be huge! Very much looking forward to this :D

mt_climber13 Apr 1, 2014 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by hruski (Post 6520524)
It seems like Biz Journals tends to get its numbers wrong about projects this early in the design process. I wouldn't be surprised if they meant to say 600ft and 850 ft instead of 60 floors and 85 floors.
Another sign of the demise of journalism? (And by a senior editor no doubt.. Credibility on the line here, if true)

It would need to have a much smaller footprint than the original proposal, as 85 floors/ 1.35 million is about 16,000 sq. ft. Per floor (add maybe 1500 sq. ft. For elevator/ core/ gross unusable space). The last proposals had about a 22,000 sq. ft. Footprint.

Zapatan Apr 1, 2014 1:19 AM
I'm 99% sure it's a mistake by the author assuming 10 feet equals a floor in a building. :rolleyes:

Still nice buildings though although I thought they were originally planned for 900+ and ~650 feet.

SFView Apr 1, 2014 1:51 AM
It might be possible to have 85 floors if the taller tower was residential like the Aqua in Chicago, but there is commercial space included along with hotel. Commercial floors are usually more than 10 feet floor-to-floor. Hopefully better information on Foster's new tower proposals will come soon.

tech12 Apr 1, 2014 2:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 6520646)
I'm 99% sure it's a mistake by the author assuming 10 feet equals a floor in a building. :rolleyes:

Still nice buildings though although I thought they were originally planned for 900+ and ~650 feet.
The height limit is 850' to the roof for the larger tower, but as always there's room for a crown/spire on top of that. The previous design had a roof height of 835' and total height 915' for the taller tower, and 605' to the roof/640' in total for the shorter one (though the site of the shorter tower is apparently only zoned for 550').

http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2....html#comments

http://www.socketsite.com/50%20first%20tower%20one.jpg

So if this time they're going for the full 850' roof height for the taller tower, maybe the full architectural height will be taller than the original 915' design.

mt_climber13 Apr 1, 2014 2:23 AM
181 Fremont is only zoned for 700', yet will rise 800' + with the spire.

This site is zoned for 850', which means it could rise 950'+ total. If it reaches 984' (300 meters), then San Francsico will have two supertalls under construction at the same time.

Transbay Tower is zoned for 1000', yet the roof height at the proposed 1,070' (including crown) is only 912'. Is it perfectly feasible to add more floors, maxing the roof height to the allowed 1,000', giving us a 1,100'+ Transbay Tower? I think (hope) so.


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