The LRT isn't going to have cables overhead. Afaik it will be similar to Vancouver's Canada Line.
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As far as the LRT arugument about having more flexibility that is completely true. This is why the Eglinton Crosstown was originally LRT.........about half of the line was to be tunneled and half at grade therefore it was the only option. The new line, howver, will be completely grade/road separated by a combination of tunnel, exclusive rail corridor, and elevation. The benefit of LRT technology has been completely eradicated. I asked Metrolinx why it was LRT and they said in case it was extended at grade. That would make sense except Metrolinx has stated the entire route will be automated.............you can't have both. The woman at Metrolinx even admitted that LRT is the most expensive system to tunnel. To make matters worse they are going to have to not only build a new garage but an entirely new maintenance and control centre as these LRT trains have a different gauge than the downtown streetcar replacements......they are incompatible. This is not the case if they used standard subway or SkyTrain cars as both have this infrastructure in place. This is not 26 NEW km of rapid transit but rather 20 km as they are ripping up 6km of current SkyTrain line and simply replacing it with slower, and less capacity LRT. Get this.............they are spending a whopping $1.2 billion just to transfer the tracks of a tiny 6km of track from SkyTrain to LRT yet the stations and rail right of way are already built!!! That's $200 million to replace track and they state it will take 3 years to do it! They don't want SkyTrain any more as they say it is uncomfortable and unreliable in the winter. That is absolute BS. All Toronto has to do is put in the cheap rail heating mechanisms, upgrade a couple small underpasses to use the very comfortable, smooth, quiet, reliable, fast new SkyTrain MK11 trains. The trains they use now haven't been built for over 10 years. By just doing that they could save a cool $1 billion and SkyTrain is much cheaper and faster to build elevated than LRT if they ever come to their senses and elevate the line as opposed to tunneling for 6 km thru an industrial area. It's reasons like this why every transit project in Toronto costs twice as much to build and twice as long to build it. This stupid mentality has lead to Toronto over the last 25 years having built just 1.2km of new rapid transit for every 500,000 new residents. Toronto dolls out transit infrastructure funds like Montreal dolls out it's road repairs.................legendary corruption, very high prices, and poor quality in return. |
Then I guess they should have built it as a subway, with 3 or 4 car trainsets until more is needed. Plus how is an LRT tunnel more expensive anyway....
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Well that 500,000 increase over the past 30 years has been outside the 416, so downtowners have been somewhat lucky, and this line and the new streetcar trains with double the capacity of the existing fleet give us a chance to catch up.
I think with these new streetcars-trains on College/King/Queen etc, there will be upgrades because these things are super long, and more than half are running in traffic. |
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As I've said last year, they should have cancelled the Spadina extension so they could fund a 3-4 car low capacity proper Eglinton subway. A big problem and contributer to costs is slack local pensioner labor. Canada Line was able to come in UNDER BUDGET due to the use of cheap foreign skilled workers.
Will this LRT average at least 50km/hour ? |
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^ yeah I laughed when I read that.
North Americans - over-classification for classification's sake. |
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Anyway, bottom line, foreign labour was not the reason the Canada Line came in at about $110 million per km; less than 1/3rd the cost for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. And not for nothing, but the technical challenges for the Eglinton LRT are pretty much limited to crossing the Don River. (Here's a hint: build a bridge!) In Vancouver they built the Canada Line in a seismically active zone, which alone requires more demanding engineering than what is required in the GTA, and the Canada Line was built through the heart of the CBD, crossed three bodies of water using two bridges, including Canada's first extra-dosed cable-stay bridge, and a bored tunnel. Plus they built upon sandy alluvial ground on the Sea Island and Richmond sections where constructing elevated train columns and stations was previously said to be impossible. |
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omg its a subway already. haha. if it has underground stations then its a full fledged subway system. the type of train system implemented is actually redundant.
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Just call it an LRT subway and be done with it.
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http://torontoist.com/wp-content/upl...streetcar1.jpg
kld86 - UT http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthr...etcars/page117 I went to see the new streetcars on the weekend, and... I so can't believe this is only half of the streetcar, its so long, I can't imagine running in mixed traffic on the Streetcars half dozen or so routes downtown. It's gonna be madness with these trains in the middle of our streets. But the added capacity is required the streetcars are so packed and we're building skyscrapers to kingdom come, we need this capacity badly. The first line to get the new streetcars will be the Spadina /Harbourfront LRT ( 2013/2014)- which is already separated from traffic, I have to assume the other lines will get special treatment in the future to separate from the auto traffic. |
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So you're saying the underground sections will not be fare paid. You will have to hold a ticket on the LRT for a conductor? - I don't think so. - You will have to pay to enter the underground platforms of the Eglinton LRT, either there will be a collector on duty or you will have to purchase a ticket from a machine before you can enter the platform underground. |
I would have to assume you can transfer from the other subways to this line without needing a paper transfer. It would be kind of ridiculous otherwise, since you don't even need a transfer to get on the bus at Eglinton and Eglinton West.
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Isn't the choice of LRT technology relate to the Phase II extension to Pearson airport? Using any third rail technology would require the Phase II extension to be entirely grade separated. Would this make Phase II cost prohibitive?
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- Remember this line was supposed to be above ground, but Rob Ford didn't want these streetcars in the middle of the street. So it got buried underground. |
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