What's the minimum income to live comfortably in your city?
Ok, I'm not talking about living in a Park Avenue Penthouse, but just to rent an apartment with no rodent roommates with a grocery store, a pub and a cafe within walking distance.
Basically, if someone moved to your city, didn't want to have a roommate, rented a one bedroom, got basic cable, high-speed internet, a blackberry for their home phone, a transit pass, bought groceries and had some money to go to a pub and the movies and take the odd vacation, how much would it cost? For Ottawa, my estimate is: $1000/mo rent $300/mo food $200/mo utilities $120/mo transport (transit pass, bike repairs, the odd car rental) $100 clothing $300 enterainment $450 fed/Provincial taxes/sales taxes ---------- $2570/mo or about $31,000 a year. How does it compare with you cities? |
Manitou Springs/ColoradoSprings Colorado
Rents on a 1,000 sq ft apartment....between $550 and $790. Average about $675
Winter utlilties ............$100-$120 Summer- about half Groceries......$250-$300 per person wages....$20K to 30K avg about 25K |
My god, I don't even want to know.
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US: $22.500 Can: $28.600 But if you want to live close to the inner city or a university the price will rise drasticly the closer you come.. and it depends on where the travel destination would be.. Copenhagen isn't really that expensive as many think ( and it's not even posible to make make under $35k with a full time job here ) |
I currently budget:
Rent: $1192pcm "Living" budget (Food/entertainment/etc): $1000pcm $250pcm misc bills (priv health insurance (not necessary, but I want it), gym, mobile bill (cap plans = the best), internet bill). ~$150 every quarter for Electricity and Water bills. No transport costs other than I have to buy shoes more frequently than most people as I'm a 3km / 30 min walk to work. $2500pcm will cover what I currently pay, but that's JUST to live - you need a fair bit more if you want to put money away for other things. $35k AUD p/a (gross) would be the minimum to live in the inner city - any lower and you'll practically live on the poverty line. AUD/USD: 0.6574 AUD/CAD: 0.8360 |
Rent (incl. water, electricity, internet): €1,000-1,200
Groceries: €300 Transport (monthly 2-star pass): €65 Entertainment, Clothing, etc: €350 = €1,715 / US-$ 2,230 per month add insurance, savings, vacations, other things and pretty high taxes and you have to earn at least €50k ($65k) to live quite comfortable. |
I really can't say. The only thing I know is that nice condo's and hotels in Vegas go for around 700$ for 1 or 2 people.
As my brother said, its amazing how an extra 100$ in rent can be the difference between living in a nice neighborhood and getting shot at. |
San Francisco:
Rent (decent studio apartment); $1200 Food: $500 (unless you enjoy a steady diet of burritos and assuming frequent lunches and occasional dinners with friends at restaurants--it can probably be done for less and there's lots of cheap ethnic restaurants) Transportation: $45 (Muni Fastpass) Clothing: $100 (that's very subjective--I go many months without buying ANY clothing. Also, SF has lots of discount--Ross, Marshall's--and used clothing stores) Utilities: Maybe $50 for electricity, $35 for cable TV, $20 for DSL, $45 for cell phone plan, water/sewer usually included in rent Entertainment: Up to you--movies are $10.50, plenty of cheap dive bars and clubs without covers, good seats at the Opera $200 each (standing room $10), symphony around $35 - $75 Total: Approx (and leaving a little leeway) $2500/month; $30K a year. |
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Do you like have a single bulb and a radio? |
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Heat, on the other hand... |
I would say atleast $50,000 a year. More would be better.
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I live comfortably in central Toronto for less than $2000 a month. For $2500-$3000 I could live much better. Rent on a 3 bedroom house: $1800 a month (split between 3 people, so $600 each). Bills are an extra $100 or so a month. Metropass: $97 (City/University discount, normal price $109) Food: $500 or so, including going out to eat fairly often Entertainment: $400 and thereabouts. I don't go out too often anymore, and when I do there are plenty of cheap bars in Toronto if you know where to find them. All other expenses are paying interest on lines of credit/loans. When I make $50,000 I plan to live at roughly the same level and pay all of these off ASAP. |
I don't even need $20,000.
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To live that way in any part of this city with those amenities you'd have to pull at least $30k-$35k a year.
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In Charlotte it all depends on where you live. In urban, walkable hoods along the light rail line, 2 bedroom (1 br hard to find) start at between 1,000 and 1,500 a month. Around university area 1 br start around 650 to 700. I found a steal of a 1 bedroom in an area along a bus line not too far from downtown (yet relatively safe) for 500 a month. Many of the nicer apartment complexes include highspeed internet, some include cable, and most include water.
Water - $12 Electricity - $50 to $75 TV/highspeed internet - $100 Monthly bus/rail pass is $60, but monthly parking downtown starts around $80 and goes way, way up from there. I'd say $20,000 should be enough to make it on your own. A couple can make it on $35,000 easily with money for dining out, movies, concerts, etc. |
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I have a 2 bedroom, 2 bath condo on two levels. But your disbelief prompted me to go back and look at my electric bills for the months last year when I was there. I got back the last week in April, left for Tucson the first week in October: May (paid in June): $52.58 June (paid in July): $46.79 July (paid in August): $42.96 August (paid in September): $49.79 September (paid in October): $39.72 So it seems the electric bill for a studio might well be more like $35 or $40. |
My electric bills were about $5 in the summer in my old place with no air conditioning. That's Seattle's cheap hydro rates, and probably because a public agency runs our power. Not sure about my new place, because this building hasn't reached its sales plateau yet, which means they're not charging power (or dues) yet.
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Vancouver:
Rent: 1 bdrm $1200 Food: $300+ Utilities: $50 (hydro - i don't pay it its included for me but I am guessing thats about average for a typical apartment) Cable: $100 Range Telephone: no idea i only have a cell Cell: $30 & up BC Medical: $54/month at the most - varies according to your income Bus Pass: 1 zone = $73 2 zone = $99 3 zone = $136 Entertainment: $300 or so ?? it depends what you do Car insurance: $1100/annually seems to be what most pay - they is cheaper and more depends Parking: $50+ per month - most rentals charge extra plus if you drive you have to pay depending what is available Other stuff: well it all depends on what you want - clothes, music, DVD's whatever |
Shanghai:
My budget Apartment: 2700RMB (could find one for less) Transportation: ~250RMB Food: ~1000RMB Utilities: 450RMB (Electricity, Gas, Water, Internet, Cable) Cell Phone: ~100RMB Entertainment: ~1000RMB (would be a lot more if you like going to clubs, etc) Total: 5600RMB (~US$800) |
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