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Martin Pal Sep 10, 2019 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8682832)
I believe there is an Olympic Pool near the Coliseum in Los Angeles but I'll have to check to be sure. Anyone know?

This is the pool built for the 1932 Olympics. You can see the Coliseum in the upper right.

https://media.timeout.com/images/101.../422/image.jpgTimeOut


In this aerial the swim stadium is at upper right.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ugust_2017.jpgWikiWand


The Front:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ng_Stadium.jpgWikipedia

It is now called the LA84 Foundation/John C. Argue Swim Stadium.
Some great photos of the location at this link:
https://archinect.com/firms/project/...epicc/80607707


The 1984 Olympics built a new swim stadium, with help from McDonald's, on the USC Campus, near Heritage Hall, I believe. For near thirty years it was called the McDonald's Swim Stadium until it was refurbished and now has a new name, the Uytengsu Aquatics Center. I can't find an aerial showing it's proximity to the Coliseum, but here's a photo of it.

http://dailytrojan.com/wp-content/up...JosephChen.jpgDaily Trojan


Here's a temporary design for the next L.A. Olympics. It would cover USC's baseball field, Dedeaux Field, and would be a temporary facility.

https://live.staticflickr.com/8731/2...f3d61a51_b.jpgDedeaux Field

As you can see, the McDonald's Swim Stadium/Uytengsu Aquatics Center is on the center left. I believe it would be used for training. It looks like they
want to sell more tickets, hence a temporary stadium. Also, in the distance, the Los Angeles Coliseum is on the horizon.

Earl Boebert Sep 10, 2019 9:52 PM

Looking at Wikipedia, I discover that a 25 meter (82 ft) pool qualified as an "Olympic Pool" back in the day. So if there was 12 feet of pool under the Picture Bridge back then the Huntington Pool made it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympi..._swimming_pool

Cheers,

Earl

Noir_Noir Sep 10, 2019 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8683314)
Now we just need a view looking under the bridge!


https://i.imgur.com/XtJepN8.jpg
Facebook - Langham Pasadena


Looking towards the Picture Bridge end in 1939 - the pool stops short. If it did extend to under the bridge sometime in the
preceding thirteen years, it might give another ten to maybe twelve feet length as Earl Boebert suggests. That would still
make it only half the length of an Olympic pool and it was always much too narrow anyway. I doubt it was ever touted in
any seriousness back then as an Olympic size pool. The pools for the 1928 (Amsterdam) and 1932 (Los Angeles) Olympics
were both 50m long.

ethereal_reality Sep 11, 2019 1:06 AM

odinthor says...

"It's starting to look to me as if the "Olympic" designation might just be fairly modern advertising ballyhoo by the hotel."


And he might be right.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/SNifAJ.jpg
from the LA Times 10/31/93






Here's a reference to the 'Olympic-sized pool' in the book, Built to Last by Stanley Turkel. (a book about hotels which are 100+ years old)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/581hB1.jpg

The 'Olympic-sized swimming pool' seems to have taken on a life of its own. :shrug:


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CityBoyDoug Sep 11, 2019 2:36 AM

I notice that several of NLA's illustrious posters have really sliced it and diced it but no one has yet to find an ''Olympic Pool" at the Huntington Hotel.

Its the difference between a cookie or a cake and the pool at the Huntington still comes up as a cookie.

:tup::tup::tup:

Thanks everyone....maybe in the Hotel brochure hype they meant a miniature Olympic pool because it falls far short of the real thing.

ethereal_reality Sep 11, 2019 3:29 AM

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A long, long time ago we discussed a circus' winter headquarters that was (if I remember correctly) located in an area west of Culver City. . .

. . . but I don't recall the Tom Mix Circus Winter Quarters in, of all places, Compton!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Y16BPo.jpg
Steve Minor at flickr

The photograph was taken by Mr. Minor's father.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/YfdZOy.jpg
flickr





Here's a closer look.....1934-1938: Four years at the height of the Depression.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/grbWLI.jpg
flickr

...........Is anyone, here on NLA, aware of this place? ....Wouldn't it be amazing if the building has survived......I wonder where (in Compton) it was located?

:superwhip........................................................................



If we have discussed this before..just shoot me..............................................................................
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Earl Boebert Sep 11, 2019 4:01 AM

OK, here's what I did regarding the Huntington's Olympic/non-Olympic pool:

I measured the existing pool using Google Earth. It came out 82 feet from the edge of the bridge to the furthest point in the arced "cutout" in the North edge.

I measured the width of the pool using Google Earth and it came out 20 feet.

I measured the length of the roof on the house across Wentworth Ave to calibrate the measuring tool in my graphics program (Graphic Converter).

I then took a screen shot of the 1928 aerial and viewed it at 300%. It appears that the pool was rectangular (no arced "cutout" at the North end). I calibrated the measuring tool using the roof line and measured the pool from the North end to the bridge and its width. It came out 87 feet long and 26 feet wide, or 25 meters and a bit long and 8 meters wide. This is a plausible size for a "junior" Olympic-sized pool with touch boards and four 2 meter wide lanes.

So a *possible* explanation is that a "junior Olympic" pool was installed in 1926, promoted as an "Olympic Sized Pool" and later it was narrowed and the fancy North end shape made by filling in the corners.

FWIW

Cheers,

Earl

CityBoyDoug Sep 11, 2019 9:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 8683750)
OK, here's what I did regarding the Huntington's Olympic/non-Olympic pool:

I measured the existing pool using Google Earth. It came out 82 feet from the edge of the bridge to the furthest point in the arced "cutout" in the North edge.

I measured the width of the pool using Google Earth and it came out 20 feet.

I measured the length of the roof on the house across Wentworth Ave to calibrate the measuring tool in my graphics program (Graphic Converter).

I then took a screen shot of the 1928 aerial and viewed it at 300%. It appears that the pool was rectangular (no arced "cutout" at the North end). I calibrated the measuring tool using the roof line and measured the pool from the North end to the bridge and its width. It came out 87 feet long and 26 feet wide, or 25 meters and a bit long and 8 meters wide. This is a plausible size for a "junior" Olympic-sized pool with touch boards and four 2 meter wide lanes.

So a *possible* explanation is that a "junior Olympic" pool was installed in 1926, promoted as an "Olympic Sized Pool" and later it was narrowed and the fancy North end shape made by filling in the corners.

FWIW

Cheers,

Earl

Good job Earl: :drowning:

The miniature Olympic pool at the hotel is a scam because the ''olympic'' laps you swim are across the [B]width[B] and not the length of an official Olympic size Pool. It appears to me that the hotel was really playing a joke on the public.

I would call the whole affair false advertising. The tourists could go back home to Indiana or wherever and brag that they swam in an Olympic pool, when in actuality it was no such item..

:drowning:

Noir_Noir Sep 11, 2019 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8683715)

. . . but I don't recall the Tom Mix Circus Winter Quarters in, of all places, Compton!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Y16BPo.jpg
Steve Minor at flickr

...........Was anyone here aware of this place? ....Wouldn't it be amazing if the building has survived......I wonder where (in Compton) it was located?



May not be the location in your picture e_r but in 1935 the Tom Mix Circus winter quarters was in a Samson Tire plant.


https://i.imgur.com/SuqLkm2.jpg
archive.org - Variety - November 1935


I guess this means an old Samson Tire location in Compton - the company moved to the City Of Commerce in 1928.


The only address I can find for Samson in Compton.


https://i.imgur.com/KNEy4KL.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


Terebinth is now W. Palmer Street.

transitfan Sep 11, 2019 2:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8683321)
This is the pool built for the 1932 Olympics. You can see the Coliseum in the upper right.

https://media.timeout.com/images/101.../422/image.jpgTimeOut


In this aerial the swim stadium is at upper right.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ugust_2017.jpgWikiWand


The Front:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ng_Stadium.jpgWikipedia

It is now called the LA84 Foundation/John C. Argue Swim Stadium.
Some great photos of the location at this link:
https://archinect.com/firms/project/...epicc/80607707


The 1984 Olympics built a new swim stadium, with help from McDonald's, on the USC Campus, near Heritage Hall, I believe. For near thirty years it was called the McDonald's Swim Stadium until it was refurbished and now has a new name, the Uytengsu Aquatics Center. I can't find an aerial showing it's proximity to the Coliseum, but here's a photo of it.

http://dailytrojan.com/wp-content/up...JosephChen.jpgDaily Trojan


Here's a temporary design for the next L.A. Olympics. It would cover USC's baseball field, Dedeaux Field, and would be a temporary facility.

https://live.staticflickr.com/8731/2...f3d61a51_b.jpgDedeaux Field

As you can see, the McDonald's Swim Stadium/Uytengsu Aquatics Center is on the center left. I believe it would be used for training. It looks like they
want to sell more tickets, hence a temporary stadium. Also, in the distance, the Los Angeles Coliseum is on the horizon.

Wow, I didn't know about this. I wonder if the USC Baseball team will have to play elsewhere for the 2028 season (they generally play into mid-May, and the games would probably be in July or August like 1984, I suspect they would need more than 2-3 months for construction.

Unlike the 1984 games, I won't be in the middle of all that working (I worked for the USC Bookstore back then). In 2028, I will have been retired for several years :D (and also I no longer live in Southern California)

UphillDonkey Sep 11, 2019 6:14 PM

Olympic Sized Pools
 
I swim at the Rose Bowl Aquatics Center in Pasadena.

We Have two Olympic sized pools.

The Competition pool is 50m long by 25 Yds wide.

https://i.postimg.cc/qRkC10hZ/Screen...1-09-01-AM.png
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.1512.../data=!3m1!1e3Google Maps

HossC Sep 11, 2019 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8683715)

A long, long time ago we discussed a circus' winter headquarters that was (if I remember correctly) located in an area west of Culver City. . .

. . . but I don't recall the Tom Mix Circus Winter Quarters in, of all places, Compton!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Y16BPo.jpg
Steve Minor at flickr

The caption for this photo from 'Compton' by Robert Lee Johnson claims to show Tom Mix's winter quarters in Compton. I've studied the picture for a while, and discounted several buildings, but still can't decide which one belonged to Tom Mix.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...MixWinter1.jpg
https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...MixWinter2.jpg
books.google.com

Even Tom Mix's own adverts don't give a street address. You just write to "Tom Mix Circus and Wild West, Winter Quarters, Compton, California."

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...MixWinter3.jpg
www.americanradiohistory.com (PDF file)

Godzilla Sep 11, 2019 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8681156)
The filming locations on IMDb include Melrose and Heliotrope Avenue. I think I can see Ben Valle Co (grocers) in the background of one of the shots, and the 1932 CD lists a branch at 4315 Melrose. This appears to be e_r's "house-like" building, which still stands at 707 N Heliotrope Drive.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...eliotrope1.jpg
GSV




Another NLA'er previously mentioned this 707 Heliotrope address as the location for a late '80s-early '90s eatery: Club Mambo. Evidently, the structure served as a Phelps & Terkel men's clothing store ('28-early '30s) and a liquor store (in '35), around the time when Chester's film was produced.



Quote:

The notion of repurposing a house or small business as a restaurant, of course, invites recollections of other such places mentioned on NLA, e.g., Butterfield's (8426 Sunset Blvd.) and possibly Father Yod's The Source (8301 Sunset Blvd.). From the early '80s - Cafe Mambo, (707 Heliotrope Drive) and Cha Cha Cha (656 Virgil Ave.) There were more, I recall at least two upscale French and/or Italian restaurants in the Valley. A cursory permit search suggests Butterfield's may have started out with a different street address, perhaps on De Longpre. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=41365

Godzilla Sep 11, 2019 8:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 8683750)
So a *possible* explanation is that a "junior Olympic" pool was installed in 1926, promoted as an "Olympic Sized Pool" and later it was narrowed and the fancy North end shape made by filling in the corners.


I do not recall seeing any connection with nationally/internationally recognized competitive swimming at the Hotel and doubt the so-called "Olympic Sized" pool was literally designed for competitive swimming events, conforming to specific dimensions and standards. Nor was it intended to cause guests to believe olympic swimming events transpired there. Rather, the use of poetic license comes to mind and it is more likely that the characterization is but a colloquial expression used to describe an extremely large swimming pool - maybe even big enough to accommodate Tom Mix and Tony, The Wonder Horse..

Note that the Ambassador Hotel, which also boasted a large (Olympic-like) pool that may have been used for "competitive" events, but may not have tightly conformed to the Olympic Federation's standards.


https://bizarrela.com/wp-content/upl..._seal_1930.jpghttps://bizarrela.com/wp-content/upl..._seal_1930.jpg

https://bizarrela.com/wp-content/upl...s_backside.jpghttps://bizarrela.com/wp-content/upl...s_backside.jpghttps://bizarrela.com/wp-content/upl...ool_Club-a.jpghttps://bizarrela.com/wp-content/upl...ool_Club-a.jpg


Ambassador's Lido Club was known for "Feminine Conditioning."
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/d5/33/c...2dbe515386.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/d5/33/c...2dbe515386.jpg






In a discussion regarding six LA Hotel pools, the Mondrian's pool is described as follows:
Quote:

The pretty pool itself might seem somewhat small -- if anyone was here to work on their butterfly stroke. . . . . . it's resiliently Olympic-sized. https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/los-angeles-best-hotel-pools/index.html





https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...jpg&f=1&nofb=1

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...4/aarider6.jpg


http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l800...53644545_1.jpghttp://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l800...53644545_1.jpg


http://www.circusesandsideshows.com/...rcus8large.jpghttp://www.circusesandsideshows.com/...rcus8large.jpg


http://www.circusesandsideshows.com/...s10large_7.jpghttp://www.circusesandsideshows.com/...s10large_7.jpg

ethereal_reality Sep 11, 2019 9:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8684340)
The caption for this photo from 'Compton' by Robert Lee Johnson claims to show Tom Mix's winter quarters in Compton.

I've studied the picture for a while, and discounted several buildings, but still can't decide which one belonged to Tom Mix.

Here's an enlargement that might help.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/8jsdao.jpg

There's a building at lower left that might be a possibility.


This one.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/eYf3LD.jpg
DETAIL

. . .of course there are other possibilities as well.


Noir Noir, is the intersection of N. Wilmington and W. Palmer Street (formerly TEREBINTH) visible in Hoss' aerial?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8683969)
May not be the location in your picture e_r but in 1935 the Tom Mix Circus winter quarters was in a Samson Tire plant.


https://i.imgur.com/SuqLkm2.jpg
archive.org - Variety - November 1935


I guess this means an old Samson Tire location in Compton - the company moved to the City Of Commerce in 1928.


The only address I can find for Samson in Compton.


https://i.imgur.com/KNEy4KL.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


Terebinth is now W. Palmer Street.


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ethereal_reality Sep 11, 2019 9:54 PM

Here's an old map of Compton (1926) that might come in handy.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/kReJ5E.jpg
Old file of mine.

I see Terebinth St. listed.

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ethereal_reality Sep 11, 2019 10:20 PM

The person that took the Tom Mix Winter Quarter pic also took this snapshot of the Ambassador Hotel.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/BuZGXs.jpg
flickr

I don't recall the huge field of flowers out front.


A closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/DH5Y6o.jpg
DETAIl

odinthor, any idea what kind of flowers they are?

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odinthor Sep 11, 2019 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8684567)
The person that took the Tom Mix Winter Quarter pic also took this snapshot of the Ambassador Hotel.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/BuZGXs.jpg
flickr

I don't recall the huge field of flowers out front.


A closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/DH5Y6o.jpg
DETAIl

odinthor, any idea what find of flowers they are?

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Hmmmm, e_r . . . [studies pic] . . . It's pretty much too indistinct to tell; but from the size and look of the plants, I'm thinking either Geraniums, Dahlias, or perhaps Chrysanthemums; if it was the Yuletide, it could be small potted Poinsettias.

At one point, Geraniums were certainly at hand:

https://i.postimg.cc/5tTnH5Sk/Ger1-2-27.jpg
LA Times, 1/2/1927, via ProQuest via CSULB Library

odinthor Sep 11, 2019 11:33 PM

In looking for clues about the above, I found this article, which seemed quite interesting to me; and I thought I'd share it. Much edited, and without its photo:

https://i.postimg.cc/9f5DrrqY/Geran2-28-71.jpg
LA Times of 2/28/1971, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

rick m Sep 12, 2019 1:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 8684373)
Another NLA'er previously mentioned this 707 Heliotrope address as the location for a late '80s-early '90s eatery: Club Mambo. Evidently, the structure served as a Phelps & Terkel men's clothing store ('28-early '30s) and a liquor store (in '35), around the time when Chester's film was produced.

Now shuttered Café Bijou was originally home of Lou Costello on Ventura Blvd- Sherman Oaks

Noir_Noir Sep 12, 2019 1:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8684545)

Noir Noir, is the intersection of N. Wilmington and W. Palmer Street (formerly TEREBINTH) visible in Hoss' aerial?


No it's not e_r. It would be back behind the camera and off to the left.

It could still be a Samson Tire Co. building at N. Wilmington/Terebinth (Palmer) in the original picture

The circus could have changed quarters to another location in Compton between 1935 and 1937.

Lojack Sep 12, 2019 2:13 AM

So unless I'm misreading something, either the caption of the Compton photo is wrong, or the map has North oriented incorrectly. I'm going with the map is correct, and that the dark line is not Compton Blvd, but rather Main St. This puts the main left-right road just below center as Wilmington, and Terebinth would then be two blocks to the left. Does this make sense?

Flyingwedge Sep 12, 2019 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8683969)
May not be the location in your picture e_r but in 1935 the Tom Mix Circus winter quarters was in a Samson Tire plant.


https://i.imgur.com/SuqLkm2.jpg
archive.org - Variety - November 1935


I guess this means an old Samson Tire location in Compton - the company moved to the City Of Commerce in 1928.


The only address I can find for Samson in Compton.


https://i.imgur.com/KNEy4KL.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


Terebinth is now W. Palmer Street.


https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psvkmo0kyc.jpg

October 26, 1935, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LA Public Library



Three ten North Tamarind was a little house, so maybe some circus staff lived there. The old factory was across the street.


Here is the site of the old tire factory as it has been redeveloped. Please note Arbutus St. at upper right, between Alameda and Tamarind:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...ps4cbkgqaw.jpg

Googlemap



May 1925 Compton Sanborn Map, showing the Samson Tire and Rubber plant and, in the lower right corner, the house at 310 N. Tamarind.
At upper right is Arbutus Street. Terebinth has not yet been renamed Palmer:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...pszabcqbok.jpg

ProQuest via LA Public Library



September 1938 Compton Sanborn Map, with the old Samson plant now operated by U.S. Tire and Rubber:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...pswxo8fahv.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL



An article on Tom Mix in the February 21, 1937, Los Angeles Times says, “At season’s end, the show retires to winter quarters at Anniston, Ala., and
Tom returns to Hollywood. . . . Next winter he may house the troupe here.” So the winter of 1935-36 may have been the last one in Compton.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 12, 2019 5:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lojack (Post 8684737)
So unless I'm misreading something, either the caption of the Compton photo is wrong, or the map has North oriented incorrectly. I'm going with the map is correct, and that the dark line is not Compton Blvd, but rather Main St. This puts the main left-right road just below center as Wilmington, and Terebinth would then be two blocks to the left. Does this make sense?

Main was renamed Compton Blvd and Wilmington was renamed Willowbrook.

Noir_Noir Sep 12, 2019 2:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8684545)

Noir Noir, is the intersection of N. Wilmington and W. Palmer Street (formerly TEREBINTH) visible in Hoss' aerial?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Lojack (Post 8684737)
So unless I'm misreading something, either the caption of the Compton photo is wrong, or the map has North oriented incorrectly. I'm going with the map is correct, and that the dark line is not Compton Blvd, but rather Main St. This puts the main left-right road just below center as Wilmington, and Terebinth would then be two blocks to the left. Does this make sense?


Second go at this thanks to Lojack who I think is right as regards the streets. I went with the present day
map with the changed street names and got confused.

I think this is the site where the Samson and US Tire factories, from Flyingwedge's Sanborn maps, stood
at N. Wilmington and Terebinth.

https://i.imgur.com/INDkLMX.jpg


I can't spot a building like the one in the Winter Quarters picture though. :shrug:

Martin Pal Sep 12, 2019 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 8684373)
Another NLA'er previously mentioned this 707 Heliotrope address as the location for a late '80s-early '90s eatery: Club Mambo. Evidently, the structure served as a Phelps & Terkel men's clothing store ('28-early '30s) and a liquor store (in '35), around the time when Chester's film was produced.

Quote:

The notion of repurposing a house or small business as a restaurant, of course, invites recollections of other such places mentioned on NLA, e.g., Butterfield's (8426 Sunset Blvd.) and possibly Father Yod's The Source (8301 Sunset Blvd.). From the early '80s - Cafe Mambo, (707 Heliotrope Drive) and Cha Cha Cha (656 Virgil Ave.) There were more, I recall at least two upscale French and/or Italian restaurants in the Valley. A cursory permit search suggests Butterfield's may have started out with a different street address, perhaps on De Longpre. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=41365
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Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 8684669)
Now shuttered Café Bijou was originally home of Lou Costello on Ventura Blvd- Sherman Oaks
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Two other places that were originally houses:

Marix Tex Mex Cafe, 1108 N Flores St., West Hollywood. (Open.)

The 8795 Sunset Blvd. address, entrance is actually on Horn Ave., was a Spanish style residence which became the Café Gala in the 40's and 50's, then it was the Armenian restaurant Har-Omar through 1965. By 1969 it became Kavkaz, a Russian-Armenian restaurant, and then in 1982 it became Spago's until they relocated in 2001. It's been vacant since then, though some film companies have shot there. For quite awhile someone was trying to open a day care center--?--at that location, but no one thought that was a good idea.

Martin Pal Sep 12, 2019 7:04 PM

Speaking of Tom Mix, I was watching a retro program recently and Gary Owens announced:
"Contrary to popular belief, Tom Mix is not a cowboy actor. It's the name of a popular turkey stuffing."

Martin Pal Sep 12, 2019 8:38 PM

The Formosa Cafe - Back to the Past
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7116222)
[...]
http://www.lamag.com/wp-content/uplo...rmosa_Cafe.jpgL.A. Magazine article

2013

Formosa Café: Interior
7156 Santa Monica Blvd, West Hollywood, CA 90046
This 90-year-old restaurant enjoys city landmark status, which protects the building, but not the ancient booths, lanterns, and funk inside that made this a favorite of film location scouts and fans of old Hollywood noir. A remodeling in July stripped the interior and replaced it with less.

A commenter (Scott Frank) says:

The Formosa renovation is absolutely horrible - it's like they removed all traces of personality and made it as bland as possible. It's doesn't even look like a McBar, it looks like whoever renovated it couldn't be bothered to do any decorating at all, it's almost blank inside. The situation is weird, since the personalityof the interior was really the only reason you went. Now...no reason to go at all.

Article link: HERE.
[...]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7670473)
The Formosa Cafe Has Suddenly Shut Down
Los Angeles Magazine / January 6, 2017
:no:
http://www.lamag.com/askchris/formos...suddenly-shut/

2019

A friend and I have been planning to get to the remodeled Formosa Cafe, but haven't made it yet, but it's gotten rave reviews. After the disastrous remodeling (stripping) in 2012 or 13, which took away everything that anyone liked about the old place, this 1933 Group stepped in and brought it back to the past!

The 1933 Group spent two-and-a-half years and a reported $2.4 million resurrecting the landmark property. The team brought in master craftsmen to meticulously restore what remained of the original Formosa–which operated from 1945 until 2016–while staying true to the look from the spot’s mid-century heyday. They located and kept many of the most memorable bits of decor, from the autographed black-and-white photos, to the silk lanterns, to that green neon script along Route 66.

The new menu by chef David Kuo harks back to the last owner, Vince Jung, grandson of Lem Quon. Quon’s Cantonese fare is updated with Chinese-American dishes like General Tso's cauliflower, orange chicken, and beef with broccoli. Handcrafted old fashioned Hollywood cocktails are part of the restored restaurant menu as well.


Above: It opened in 1939, so not sure of the 1945-2016 reference in that paragraph.

Info above from KTLA; link has news videos of the reopening:
https://ktla.com/2019/06/24/formosa-...est-hollywood/


Bobby Green, designer and co-owner of the 1933 Group gives a little tour of the remodeled Formosa Cafe.

Video Link


He references the bar from the Yee Mee Loo location, see below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7970821)
[edited]
"The absolute king of all small bars is also the bar where I was served my first drink. Although it no longer exists it was located in the Chinatown section of downtown Los Angeles. It was attached to a restaurant called Yee Mee Loo.

The bar was probably 25 feet long and no wider than a large automobile. It was long, narrow and dark as night any time of day. There were no windows and the ornately carved bar with Chinese motif was itself a work of art. It was the bar where time stood still.
-a vanishing world - the world's smallest bars

Here's a look at Yee Mee Loo in the 1940's.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/20Bqpt.jpg
LAPL
_________________________________________________________________

Is this what's being described? He says they bought the Yee Mee Loo bar from the owner.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/c...pg?format=800wThe Formosa Cafe

ethereal_reality Sep 12, 2019 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8685071)
Thanks to Lojack.

I think this is the site where the Samson and US Tire factories, from Flyingwedge's Sanborn maps, stood at N. Wilmington and Terebinth.

https://i.imgur.com/INDkLMX.jpg

I can't spot a building like the one in the Winter Quarters picture though. :shrug:

We're getting closer and closer.

I can add this....


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/YiYzK9.jpg
San Bernardino Sun Nov. 21, 1939

It's certain now. The building has NOT survived. :(



Has the Fry Roofing Co. been mentioned? --perhaps it will lead us to additional photographs of the place. (pre-fire, of course)

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BillinGlendaleCA Sep 12, 2019 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8685593)
We're getting closer and closer.

I can add this....



It's certain now. The building has NOT survived. :(



Has the Fry Roofing Co. been mentioned? --perhaps it will lead us to additional photographs of the place. (pre-fire, of course)

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I did a Google search on "Fry Roofing Company" and came up with a 1944 California Supreme Court decision. It seemed to be about a land transaction, but it did have plot numbers(Boland Track). Searching for "Boland Track", I came up with a real estate listing for an adjoining plot. I think Fry Roofing was located on Mona Blvd(which was Wilmington) north of Rosecrans(then Orange). It's currently a Owens Corning Roofing location. So if this is the location, it'd be off the photo to the left.

ETA: Here's the history of the Fry Foundation and includes the company history as well. They had 7 plants(including Compton), and supplied roofing to Sears. By 1976, they had 24 plants and that were sold to Owens Corning in an all cash sale.

odinthor Sep 12, 2019 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8685593)
We're getting closer and closer.

I can add this....


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/YiYzK9.jpg
San Bernardino Sun Nov. 21, 1939

It's certain now. The building has NOT survived. :(



Has the Fry Roofing Co. been mentioned? --perhaps it will lead us to additional photographs of the place. (pre-fire, of course)

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*******

e_r:

https://i.postimg.cc/D0FLTQW4/Fry11-21-39-LAT.jpg
LA Times, November 21, 1939, via ProQuest via CSULB Library

No I will not make a joke about "Fry" Roofing Co.

ethereal_reality Sep 13, 2019 12:20 AM

Thanks, odinthor. :)


I meant to thank you earlier for answering my question about the expanse of flowers in front of the Ambassador Hotel.

And the article you found on Frisco Mari (head gardener at the hotel) was very interesting. My mind was blown by the flower statistics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8684617)

https://i.postimg.cc/9f5DrrqY/Geran2-28-71.jpg
LA Times of 2/28/1971, via ProQuest, via CSULB Library

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/7584/2FFCFL.gif


I searched everywhere for a photograph of Frisco Mari.. but came up empty.

I wonder if Mari's greenhouse (60 x 180 ft., or about the size of an Olympic sized pool ;)), shows up in any old aerials? ......*hint*..... *hoss*

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Noir_Noir Sep 13, 2019 1:48 AM

:previous:

Here's Frisco.

https://i.imgur.com/2ovZhPd.jpg


There are some more of him in this magazine devoted to his Arabian horse breeding accomplishments.

issuu.com - Arabian Horse World

HossC Sep 13, 2019 7:54 PM

A little more on Fry Roofing and Tom Mix in Compton. I found the following hidden away in the comments section of Cinema Treasure's page on the Fox Compton Theatre (text copied verbatim):
I’m reading Film Daily 1937. It says Compton 618 , Tower 1000, Symphony I have 832 can’t remember where I found it, Big Top 0. When thy had the Earthquake they move all the stores. They had all of the stores in a Big Tent That where the Big Top was at where Fry Roofing was also Tom Mix Wild West Show was there.
Although it doesn't mention Tom Mix, I did find this piece about Fry Roofing's building being used to house businesses damaged in the Long Beach earthquake. It's from The California Division of Mines and Geology, 1948-74 (PDF file):
Downtown Compton was demolished. One thing that was done very wisely by the local city authorities was to move all businesses into a huge open building of the Fry Roofing Company, a great big open building that wasn't damaged by the earthquake, because it was like a cardboard carton. You couldn't break it up; there was nothing to break up. They set up the businesses in stalls analagous to the position they had in downtown Compton, so you could do all your shopping and marketing in a kind of free market area in the Fry Roofing Building, You could go to the drug store, or the doctor, or the grocery store, right there.

Noir_Noir Sep 13, 2019 11:26 PM

Fry Roofing
 
:previous:


I wonder was it the "former Rabbit Show Building"?


https://i.imgur.com/bfnZeyB.jpg

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=51042



North of Rosecrans/ Alameda would put it in the general vicinity if the caption location is not quite accurate?
So first off Rabbit Shows, then Earthquake Shopping Mall, Tom Mix Circus for a time, and finally Fry Roofing
when it burned down?


It was certainly a big unit, 200 yards long. Here it is in 1938.


https://i.imgur.com/GZq45i6.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu - axj-1938_30-45

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 13, 2019 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8686463)
A little more on Fry Roofing and Tom Mix in Compton. I found the following hidden away in the comments section of Cinema Treasure's page on the Fox Compton Theatre (text copied verbatim):
I’m reading Film Daily 1937. It says Compton 618 , Tower 1000, Symphony I have 832 can’t remember where I found it, Big Top 0. When thy had the Earthquake they move all the stores. They had all of the stores in a Big Tent That where the Big Top was at where Fry Roofing was also Tom Mix Wild West Show was there.
Although it doesn't mention Tom Mix, I did find this piece about Fry Roofing's building being used to house businesses damaged in the Long Beach earthquake. It's from The California Division of Mines and Geology, 1948-74 (PDF file):
Downtown Compton was demolished. One thing that was done very wisely by the local city authorities was to move all businesses into a huge open building of the Fry Roofing Company, a great big open building that wasn't damaged by the earthquake, because it was like a cardboard carton. You couldn't break it up; there was nothing to break up. They set up the businesses in stalls analagous to the position they had in downtown Compton, so you could do all your shopping and marketing in a kind of free market area in the Fry Roofing Building, You could go to the drug store, or the doctor, or the grocery store, right there.

Here's the 1938 Sanborn from that area:
https://i.postimg.cc/3N5C2Lvn/Annota...-13-161841.jpgvia LAPL

Here, the northern spur of Wilmington has been renamed Mona, I'm sure the southern portion has been renamed Willowbrook with the PE right of way running down Willowbrook. Just west of the Fry property we see Boland Ave.(hence the name for the tracts) which no longer exists and the pre-fire configuration of the Fry building. It's almost has the same footprint as a portion of the current building.

CityBoyDoug Sep 14, 2019 9:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8686463)
A little more on Fry Roofing and Tom Mix in Compton. I found the following hidden away in the comments section of Cinema Treasure's page on the Fox Compton Theatre (text copied verbatim):
I’m reading Film Daily 1937. It says Compton 618 , Tower 1000, Symphony I have 832 can’t remember where I found it, Big Top 0. When thy had the Earthquake they move all the stores. They had all of the stores in a Big Tent That where the Big Top was at where Fry Roofing was also Tom Mix Wild West Show was there.
Although it doesn't mention Tom Mix, I did find this piece about Fry Roofing's building being used to house businesses damaged in the Long Beach earthquake. It's from The California Division of Mines and Geology, 1948-74 (PDF file):
Downtown Compton was demolished. One thing that was done very wisely by the local city authorities was to move all businesses into a huge open building of the Fry Roofing Company, a great big open building that wasn't damaged by the earthquake, because it was like a cardboard carton. You couldn't break it up; there was nothing to break up. They set up the businesses in stalls analagous to the position they had in downtown Compton, so you could do all your shopping and marketing in a kind of free market area in the Fry Roofing Building, You could go to the drug store, or the doctor, or the grocery store, right there.

My mother was about 12 years old in the 1933 earthquake. It was in the evening and she was outside playing on the sidewalk in Los Angeles. She told me the sidewalk was like waves on the ocean. But the worst of it was the several seconds of intense shaking at the end of it. That's what caused the most damage.

A brick building can sway with a natural quake motion but if another shake happens in the middle of the back & forth, you then have...catastrophic collapse.

Lwize Sep 14, 2019 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8686923)
My mother was about 12 years old in the 1933 earthquake. It was in the evening and she was outside playing on the sidewalk in Los Angeles. She told me the sidewalk was like waves on the ocean. But the worst of it was the several seconds of intense shaking at the end of it. That's what caused the most damage.

A brick building can sway with a natural quake motion but if another shake happens in the middle of the back & forth, you then have...catastrophic collapse.

History of the 1933 Long Beach Quake has always focused on Long Beach.

I never knew about the destruction of Compton.

ethereal_reality Sep 14, 2019 6:27 PM

:previous:

There was also earthquake damage in downtown Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/ZALlax.jpg
old file / er

I don't know what street this is.


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LA Kitty Kat Sep 14, 2019 7:21 PM

CBD

My mother lived in Los Angeles in 1933 and she was 13 years old. She lived at 342 East 59 Place; do you know the address where your mother lived? (I know this is a personal question, so if you don't want to tell me, it's fine)

My grandfather was so nervous that he piled everyone in the car and drove to Brea (Orange County) driving the whole way down on Imperial Highway!

CityBoyDoug Sep 14, 2019 8:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LA Kitty Kat (Post 8687183)
CBD

My mother lived in Los Angeles in 1933 and she was 13 years old. She lived at 342 East 59 Place; do you know the address where your mother lived? (I know this is a personal question, so if you don't want to tell me, it's fine)

My grandfather was so nervous that he piled everyone in the car and drove to Brea (Orange County) driving the whole way down on Imperial Highway!

LA Kitty:

My mother lived in the Hollywood area near Sunset and Highland. Her mother was terminally sick with cancer at that time. She was a nurse herself and used to sterilize the needles over the stove flame to give herself morphine injections for pain. She passed away that same year. Her father sent my mom to live with the nuns and other orphan children at the Blessed Sacrament church home on Sunset. Its still there. Remember this was deep into the Great Depression era and there was little money. Her father could not afford the Catholic orphan home so he sent her to shirt-tail relatives in Kansas for high school. Those were hard times.

Kitty...your poor grandfather. Yes, quakes can be nerve wracking_I can understand.


Yes, ER, the whole Los Angeles County area was affected badly by the Long Beach Quake.

The Tehachapi Quake 7.3 Scale of July '52 caused part of our concrete backyard wall to collapse...San Gabriel house. My parents never talked about anything in the news. As a child, my life was totally protected from the
outside world.

ethereal_reality Sep 15, 2019 4:05 AM

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This amateur snapshot, currently on eBay, shows Calle de los Negros in March, 1947.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/X7A8WP.jpg
[url="https://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-Racist-Photo-Calle-de-los-Negros-aka-Ni-er-Alley-Los-Angeles-Cal-Wow/153465346627?hash=item23bb3f5a43:g:Z3oAAOSwfp1bunNG"]eBay[/url


I always thought the little building that stands alone in front of the 'alley' (the alley is set back from the street) was a small gas station....but here we see gas pumps beneath the ASSOCIATED sign. If you look closely at my little building there are no pumps at all.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/Pz12bh.jpg

In fact, the small building appears to be an adobe. Does anyone know if it was ever a gas station? :shrug:







This is how the little building appears on an old Sanborn map. As you can see, it's directly in front of the garage (perfect spot for a gas station).

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/c3Afdg.jpg
ipinimg no date.

It's deceiving..the building appears to be a bit farther down the street in the 1947 snapshot. ... HELP!




Lastly, here is what is written on the reverse of the snapshot.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/FN1Bzx.jpg

As you can see..the Chinese Massacre of 1871 is mentioned.


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FredH Sep 15, 2019 5:58 AM

:previous:

E.R. - I'll throw out a wild guess that it's a small lunch place, where you walk up and eat under the awning. :shrug:




https://i.postimg.cc/cH4rSDJ8/Lunch-counter.png
Ebay


BTW - Amazing what everyone found out about that Tom Mix Circus building in Compton. The building had a bunch of different lives before it burned down.

BillinGlendaleCA Sep 15, 2019 9:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8687453)
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This is how the little building appears on an old Sanborn map. As you can see, it's directly in front of the garage (perfect spot for a gas station).

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/c3Afdg.jpg
ipinimg no date.


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Your map snippet is from the 1921 Baist Real Estate Atlas.

Flyingwedge Sep 15, 2019 6:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8687154)
:previous:

There was also earthquake damage in downtown Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/ZALlax.jpg
old file / er

I don't know what street this is.


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I could be mistaken, but I believe this wonderful photo looks south on Broadway from south of 1st Street.

I think that's the Charles H. Frost/Haig M. Prince building at the NW corner of 2nd and Broadway near the upper right corner of the image,
above the lead car's radiator cap.

odinthor Sep 15, 2019 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8687794)
I could be mistaken, but I believe this wonderful photo looks south on Broadway from south of 1st Street.

I think that's the Charles H. Frost/Haig M. Prince building at the NW corner of 2nd and Broadway near the upper right corner of the image,
above the lead car's radiator cap.

:previous:

Yes!

https://i.postimg.cc/yNnQp5Rg/BwyS2nd.jpg
From http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal6.html

ethereal_reality Sep 15, 2019 10:43 PM

:previous: Thanks Flyingwedge and odinthor. I appreciate it.






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A mystery building on eBay


The seller's description for this rppc photograph is somewhat confusing.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/jLrD75.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/LEaoZK.jpg
For search purposes: Los Angeles, California, Washington Building, 1915 Fair, RPPC


As you can see, a 1915 fair is mentioned. The seller seems to be implying that the building is a 'State' building at one of the two large expositions held in California in 1915. (LINK to fairs below)



To me, the building appears to be an apartment building. (although there's only one mailbox).

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/YySdqG.jpg
eBay

And yet, the people seem more 'touristy' than merely inhabitants. (don't ask me why)




Here's what is written on the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/k7OulH.jpg

Washington Bldg.
Los Angeles Fair.
Aug. 1915

Hmmm...I just realized it says "Los Angeles fair" :duh:....so maybe it wasn't at one of the two large, well-known expositions.

Refresh my memory: Was 1915 the year Los Angeles held that lesser-known exposition? (I always forget about this one)




Anyhoo...back to my APARTMENT theory.

So far I have found two Washington Apartments in Los Angeles.

In the 1920 city directory.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/egFauo.jpg
lapl

And the 1928 city directory.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/IIbtGz.jpg
lapl


There might be a street number above the entrance of the building..but it's impossible to make out.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/9z6Tjr.jpg
DETAIL


What to you noirishers think....#1 Is this an apartment building?....or #2 'Washington State' building at one of the fairs?.................:superwhip


LINKS

1915:... Panama - California Exposition, SAN DIEGO.....HERE.

1915:... Panama - Pacific International Exposition, SAN FRANCISCO.....HERE.


update:

OK folks, I just looked up the more elusive Los Angeles Fair...and, regrettably, I proved my point.

I KNOW we have seen a few images of the Los Angeles Exposition on NLA...but at the moment I can't find it.
(was it down in San Pedro?).......(was it held in 1915?)
I'll eventually find it..but right now I'm going to post this.


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Flyingwedge Sep 16, 2019 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8687993)

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A mystery building on eBay

The seller's description for this rppc photograph is somewhat confusing.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/jLrD75.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/LEaoZK.jpg
For search purposes: Los Angeles, California, Washington Building, 1915 Fair, RPPC


The ebay RPPC certainly looks like it could show the front of an apartment building.

But it turns out to be the Washington State Building at the 1915 San Diego Exposition:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psjbaamcdi.jpg

San Diego History Center

There is a list of photos from the exposition here.

odinthor Sep 16, 2019 11:14 PM

Is this new to the thread?

https://i.postimg.cc/J00vwDHL/Levy6-16-22.jpg
LA Times 6/16/1922 via ProQuest via CSULB Library


https://i.postimg.cc/PJ7cdX18/Levy-Postcard.jpg
odinthor collection, image acquired today!


https://i.postimg.cc/3NkSSszr/Levy-s-6-29-24.jpg
LA Times 6/29/1924 via ProQuest via CSULB Library

ethereal_reality Sep 16, 2019 11:21 PM

:previous:

I don't recall an Al Levy's Cafe on Hollywood Blvd., odinthor.

MartinTurnbull asked the same question when he noticed a reflection in the windows at Sardi's, HERE
With your postcard you answered his question, odinthor! :)




As most of you know:
The most famous location was on Vine.

Al Levy's Tavern, 1627 N. Vine St.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/ap6JSI.jpg
water and power



Pre-dating Al Levy's Tavern on Vine was Al Levy's Grill downtown at 617 South Spring Street

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/643...ngstreetla.jpg
LAPL
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