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eschaton Nov 11, 2014 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneW (Post 6803300)
This seems like a neat little project over here on the North Side. I'm generally pretty slow to get excited about new projects over here since so many of them seem to fall through but if they actually go through with this, it will be a nice addition to North Ave.

IIRC, my wife's architecture firm was considering buying that building years back. It's good to see something is coming of it.

That said, I do sort of think it would be a shame if the first floor of the structure remained a warehouse space. Given the prime location it would work much better as a cafe or gallery.

TBone7281 Nov 11, 2014 4:06 PM

Nothing too exciting.

This is from a few weeks back. I just walked by and they have fenced off the area they are going to develop first... looks to be about 1/3 of the block, the side that borders 25th and Smallman. They've also added a small temporary parking lot for workers down by Spaghetti Warehouse.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5607/...2b5f0867_h.jpg


This is from today. Can't see much going on yet, but the area around Pitt-Ohio is completely fenced off now. (26th and Railroad)

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3950/...6f9cba1e_h.jpg

Captain Crash Nov 11, 2014 8:49 PM

Nothing of real note in the content of this article; it's just another recount of Pittsburgh's resurgence. BUT there are two different renderings at street level of the Almono site that I have not seen anywhere else before. Looks like they plan to really play homage to the area's mill roots.

http://www.nextpittsburgh.com/featur...ing-buzz-city/

BrianTH Nov 12, 2014 12:59 AM

Friendship Circle is densifying the former Gullifty's space, for a good cause:

http://www.nextpittsburgh.com/city-d...ndship-circle/

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Renovations will nearly double the building’s footprint from 5,200 square feet to 10,000. A street-level bank of windows will open the space to the neighborhood. The first floor features a full working kitchen, a multi-use room with a stage, a teen lounge and a gallery space. The second floor offers executive offices, a parent lounge, and work pods to allow constituents with special needs to take an active role in driving the organization. The group is currently analyzing the roof to see if a garden or greenhouse is feasible.
Rendering:

http://www.nextpittsburgh.com/wp-con...14-750x400.jpg

More info:

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/7...cle-friendship

BrianTH Nov 13, 2014 4:37 PM

Just a reminder--if you haven't checked it out lately, The Gardens is coming along:

http://oxblue.com/open/TheGardens

Austinlee Nov 13, 2014 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianTH (Post 6806092)
Just a reminder--if you haven't checked it out lately, The Gardens is coming along:

http://oxblue.com/open/TheGardens

Thanks. I haven't checked on it in a while. After years of nothingness, it is finally coming along.

SkyPittsburgh Nov 14, 2014 2:38 PM

New planning commission presentation is up:
1. Plans are revealed for the demolition and redevelopment of the former Odeon Buiding at Penn and Highland avenue. They will remove three historical structures, but will work to implement the facade in the work. Wish it was taller though.
2. Plans for the Distrikt hotel, a 186 room hotel at the former salvation army building.
Otherwise, all of the stuff is old.
http://apps.pittsburghpa.gov/dcp/sch...ion-51-645.pdf

Also, I have been working to add detail and more projects to the City Limits Development Map. Check it out here: https://mapsengine.google.com/map/ed...w.k68uIzHJHFn8

BrianTH Nov 14, 2014 4:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyPittsburgh (Post 6807317)
New planning commission presentation is up:
1. Plans are revealed for the demolition and redevelopment of the former Odeon Buiding at Penn and Highland avenue. They will remove three historical structures, but will work to implement the facade in the work. Wish it was taller though.
2. Plans for the Distrikt hotel, a 186 room hotel at the former salvation army building.

Both bittersweet for me, ironically for directly opposite reasons.

I actually like how the Penn-Highland project uses that space. I agree it could be taller--it could always be taller--but six stories (with an overheight first story) is not bad for East Liberty, and ultimately should be sufficient, along with the new Ace Hotel, to help make the square around the church really feel like the heart of East Liberty.

I am sad about the loss of the historic facades. I understand they are going to repurpose some of the nicer elements in the alley/courtyard area, but this is never about the materials per se to me--it is about creating neighborhoods that remind people of what these areas looked like in the past, and that approach cannot accomplish that goal.

The Distrikt Hotel is the opposite because I love how they are planning to preserve the actual building. What is sad to me is how they are going to do nothing else to increase the land utilization of that block, and instead are going to lock a bunch of it into a driveway, surface parking lots, and a signage area. Ugh.

Urbana Nov 14, 2014 7:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyPittsburgh (Post 6807317)
Otherwise, all of the stuff is old.
http://apps.pittsburghpa.gov/dcp/sch...ion-51-645.pdf

Here are some (shockingly impressive) massing renderings of the Lower Hill I have never seen before.

http://i.imgur.com/R2eVvXF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oFqZ38J.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/XifLjJn.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/vujWp0O.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/yLY2qXe.jpg

My apologies for the image size.

I am honestly shocked by these. I never expected them to be considering buildings on the order of 500 feet.

BrianTH Nov 14, 2014 10:16 PM

Stupid view corridor . . .

But still, that helps visualize the potential.

themaguffin Nov 14, 2014 10:23 PM

Can you post the source for the images. I just want to see if they might be easier to view that way...?

BrianTH Nov 14, 2014 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by themaguffin (Post 6808134)
Can you post the source for the images. I just want to see if they might be easier to view that way...?

Try right-click and view image (at least in my browser, that opens up a version automatically resized to fit my window).

Urbana Nov 14, 2014 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by themaguffin (Post 6808134)
Can you post the source for the images. I just want to see if they might be easier to view that way...?

http://apps.pittsburghpa.gov/dcp/sch...ion-51-645.pdf

They are near the bottom of the planning presentation.

Found5dollar Nov 15, 2014 4:30 AM

The First floor of "walnut on penn" is not so good, Single corner entrances to large floor plate retail is a street killer. At least it looks like in the future new entrances could be punched through the windows. After seeing what Walnut Capital did with materials for Bakery Square 2, i am not holding out hope for this one to be good looking.

themaguffin Nov 15, 2014 12:54 PM

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Try right-click and view image (at least in my browser, that opens up a version automatically resized to fit my window).
thanks, though even in smaller size, they are still a awkward pictures I guess.



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http://apps.pittsburghpa.gov/dcp/sch...ion-51-645.pdf

They are near the bottom of the planning presentation.
Does anyone know what the height reductions mean on page 86?

On the right picture, two items in the northwest corner of the site, have height modications, one to 300 ft and 700 ft.... I never saw renderings with anything that looked like it was above 700 ft. Maybe above 300 ft, but even that seemed like a stretch in any of the images...

BrianTH Nov 15, 2014 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by themaguffin (Post 6808621)
Does anyone know what the height reductions mean on page 86?

There was originally no height restriction there, but obviously you can't render that so they always showed something of moderate height (for an office tower).

Of course it is too bad that there are any limits on the western half of the site. But a new 700' tower would be cool.

UrbaniDesDev Nov 15, 2014 8:20 PM

Doing a great job AustinLee. I am so impressed with Pittsburgh's growth and Peduto is becoming national news

UrbaniDesDev Nov 15, 2014 8:27 PM

Beautiful... finally

UrbaniDesDev Nov 15, 2014 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianTH (Post 6769347)
I took a quick look around, and I did not. There is ample literature on the importance of mixed-use development, which I already knew. I also found lots of references to the general importance of waterfront development, which I also already knew. I did not find anything on the specific question at hand, however (specifically riverfront development, and specifically that the upper floors on all the buildings immediately next to the river should be residential and not office).



Actually, I was really puzzled by your citation of Fan Pier, since I would say the opposite.

One obvious point is just that Fan Pier is not a riverfront location. I think I was clear from the outset that I didn't think all waterfront locations were alike, so citing a non-riverfront project isn't very helpful.

Moreover, judging from your posted plan, Fan Pier doesn't actually fit your stated requirements. It is true two of the buildings along the "fan" part are residential, but about half the fan is actually taken up by Moakley Courthouse, which is basically office. Then on the marina side, there is the aforementioned residential building on the top corner, but the rest could have little or no residential and a lot of office.

So since only the stuff within the red oval in this rendering is actually dedicated to residential, I am having a hard time understanding how this project supports the thesis that ALL waterfront buildings must be residential:

http://i.minus.com/jU5whSemScKND.png

I always felt that it was a mistake not to include residential buildings on the North Shore as well as the Southside Works.

daviderik Nov 17, 2014 6:48 AM

I'm not entirely sure where the north shore stops and starts but there is residential across the river from the convention center and of Corse Heinz Lofts. And there are still a few lots between the stadiums that could be developed in the future. As for south side? I think some areas may have to grow more organically. I don't buy the notion that all river front property is gold and must be treated like beach front property on the Riviera.


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