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I've been mystified at the relative lack of highrises in Denver, given its growing economy, falling vacancies, desirable downtown, etc. Good to see some progress.
But man, gotta work on those parking requirements. It's probably a lot more spaces than the residents will want. Q2 2013 start? Amazing process you have....in my city we'd have drawings like this a year before construction, from the design review and land use entitlement process. |
Wow 5 floors of parking of a building of this size? C'mon Denver!!
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We don't really have a "design review" process per se, except for in historic districts or other special circumstances. |
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It sounds like a great opportunity for a developer....build a similar project but do 200 spaces instead of 385. Save $5,000,000 or $10,000,000, set rents a little lower.... |
I've heard from several City planners that lenders will not support projects in Denver without a certain number of parking spaces per unit because there is no "evidence" that the market will support it. What we need is a couple of developers who can go rogue and find creative financing to get a project built with less than 1 space per unit to show it can be successful before the banks will start backing it. I'm not sure when or if that will ever happen.
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My larger concern is the new trend of 5 floors of above-grade parking beneath a residential tower. In the future when there IS lower demand for parking how are those floors retrofitted into anything viable? Though certainly more expensive, the City could be requiring below-grade parking for these new towers. That may make it less viable to construct a 20-story building, but 5- and 6-story buildings fill in the gaps in our fabric just as well and can create just as nice of a city (if not better, i.e. European models).
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But if I were to live in CBD [which I changed my mind about], that would be a bigger nightmare because of the lack of 'common amenities'. I'm not counting 20th and Chestnut being a 'downtown' grocer. That's still in a neighborhood. I will count a 15th and Welton area a real downtown grocer even though Target is claiming that territory. As Bunt said, we're getting there. Slowly but surely. These people will at least have a nearby grocer but if you need to go to the hardware store, etc you're hoping in your car. Once we start getting on this inter-city rail thing it'll hopefully get better. We're adding close to 7,000 units right now and almost every unit will have a car, what's that going to do with our traffic. [but that's a different discussion on a different thread] |
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What's worse than those though? The prefabricated parking structures for the 5-story developments that are 1/3 the size and just as tall as the 5-story developments. These are also becoming a trend and it makes me quiver. Luckily they're kind of ish hidden sort of.. |
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"If you can afford new construction, you can afford a car"? This strikes me as very odd. Not having a car is how many of us can afford new construction, or can afford more square footage than otherwise. Saving $8,000 per year (or whatever) is a good reason not to own one beyond the "statement."
No supermarket? What happened to the Safeway that was somewhere near the Civic Center, or so I vagely recall? And what about corner stores and "1/3 supermarkets"? Denver's core population should at least support that. Do professionals need a car? Sure, many do. But I work with a lot of six-figure construction people who bike or take transit to work, and maybe rent the occasional ZipCar for their more distant jobsite visits. Likewise, some leading developers live in buildings with no parking at all. And architects might be the most idealistic of all on average. |
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PS, RyanD, those new units shouldn't add much to traffic...if they already work Downtown the biggest result will be shorter commutes, and better mode splits if they no longer drive. As for the 7,000 figure, I've seen a number around half that...what's the 7,000, geographically and timewise? |
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As for their commuting patterns, there is a good chance that lot of these residents are reverse commuters who live in the city center and commute out to the suburbs. A lot of these people are choosing to live downtown for the lifestyle, not because it's closer to their places of employment. |
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I'm not saying what "should" be, I'm just telling you what is. Everybody who lives in Central Denver drives to Glendale Target to shop (to the point that it's a bad joke), drives to Glendale 24-Hour Fitness, drives to Cherry Creek, drives to King Soopers... drive a lot of places. Maybe there *are* other options, but if people aren't using them, then they're probably not very good options. Certainly not for people who value their time. |
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http://denverinfill.com/blog/wp-cont...2012-table.jpg http://denverinfill.com/blog/2012/11...continues.html I reverse commuted back in '09 and now I'm reverse commuting again. Trust me, it's much worse getting back into downtown... It's starting to get noticeable which is scaring me a bit. |
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