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Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 6208301)

I know this might be premature, but considering the rhetoric of the developer I'm guessing that this will be a supertall or damn close to one.

If you are, you shouldn't equate "world class residence" with supertall. Manhattan is full of such buildings, very few of them are supertalls. I suspect it will be a very nice, high class building. The height could be anywhere, but I don't expect anything high enough to be a supertall, at least to roof height.

http://tribecatrib.com/content/223m-...rsity-building

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According to Crain's, up to 310,000 square feet can be developed on the site, with an additional 60,000 square feet if the developer is willing to include a public plaza. Up to 200 units, Crain's said, are expected to be developed on the site.

5 guys got kicked out of the building, for what thats worth.

The building will be occupied until next year. No word on architects...

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Under the agreement, St. John’s Tobin College of Business School of Risk Management, the Global Studies language programs, and other academic initiatives will continue to use the space through mid-2014.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/09/retail-...oom-in-prices/

Retail condos and buildings see a boom in prices

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com...0&h=480&crop=1

Steve Witkoff, the Fisher Bros. and Howard Lorber purchased 101 Murray St. and plan to put up a luxury condo.

By Lois Weiss
December 9, 2013

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.....Other sales through C&W in the area include the St. John’s University site at 101 Murray St. to Steve Witkoff, the Fisher Bros. and Howard Lorber for a towering luxury condominium project, and the trade for the top of Verizon’s office building at 140 West St. to Ben Shaoul of Magnum Real Estate later this month for $274 million.

Absolutely incredible. It seems as if there is a new proposal being put forth every other week.

This has been in the works for a little while, but we'll see just how "towering" they get. At this location, it doesn't have to be a supertall, but it would still have to be tall.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/131219846

Yet another campus to call East Village home
St. John's University will build new classrooms, meeting space and administrative offices at 51 Astor Place, next to Cooper Union and a stone's throw from NYU.

By Daniel Geiger
December 19, 2013

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St. John’s University is moving its Manhattan campus from lower Manhattan to the East Village.

This summer, the university will relocate its school of risk management and English language institute from 101 Murray St. to 51 Astor Place, a new office building south of Union Square, where it just leased 71,000 square feet.

St. John’s, which is based in Hillcrest, Queens, will build classrooms, meeting space, administrative offices, and a new library to house its collection of historic literature and documents in the risk management business called the Davis Library.

St. John’s sold 101 Murray St. for $223 million during the summer, capitalizing on the city’s soaring residential condo market. A group of a real estate developers plans to demolish that property and build a large apartment tower in its place.

Martha Hirst, St. John’s chief operating officer and treasurer, who helped manage the sale of its Murray Street building and arrange the lease at 51 Astor Place, said the new space would allow the school to create a state-of-the-art academic facility.

“This is a beautiful and well-designed building,” Ms. Hirst said. “The technology will be such that we can seamlessly do video conferencing with guest professors and overseas students anywhere in the world.”

St. John’s will take roughly equal amounts of space in the 400,000 square foot building’s basement, ground and second floors. The university will also install a private entrance to the building.

I will be pissed off if this isn't a supertall, or at least close.

It's a fantastic location for very high condos, a new supertall on this site would really enhance the Lower Manhattan skyline, and there's tons of developable FAR plus additional air rights from adjacent buildings.

We'll see, though. They have yet to hint on what type of building they're planning to build, outside of saying it will be condos and very tall.

I'm not convinced of a supertall yet. Maybe somewhere along the lines of 56 Leonard, but we'll see.

http://www.stjohns.edu/about/news/20...51-astor-place

St. John's University to Relocate Manhattan Campus to 51 Astor Place

January 7, 2014

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St. John’s University announced today that it has leased 71,000 square feet of space for its Manhattan campus at 51 Astor Place, Edward J. Minskoff’s new 12-story, 400,000-square-foot office building that occupies the block between Third and Fourth Avenues in the East Village, Manhattan. Situated in an area that is home to more than 50,000 college students, the new location will house St. John’s School of Risk Management, a key division of the University’s Peter J. Tobin College of Business and a global leader in risk and insurance education and training.

St. John’s plans to open 51 Astor Place for the 2014 fall semester. The new site will replace the school’s Manhattan campus at 101 Murray Street in Tribeca, which the University sold for $223 million in July 2013.

St. John’s will continue to operate at its current Manhattan location at 101 Murray Street through the 2013-14 academic year.

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New York YIMBY:

Revealed: 101 Murray Street
BY: NIKOLAI FEDAK ON FEBRUARY 20TH 2014 AT 9:00 AM

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/.../101murray.jpg
101 Murray Street -- image from Coop Himmelb(l)au

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The planned residential re-development of 101 Murray Street has been revealed, and the design is a decided departure from typical new construction in Manhattan; soaring 860 feet, the tower’s architect is Coop Himmelb(l)au, and — per Crain’s — a partnership between the Witkoffs, Fisher Brothers, and Howard Lorber will be developing the site.

101 Murray Street will be the fourth Downtown residential tower set to rise over 800 feet, joining the ranks of 30 Park Place, 56 Leonard, and 22 Thames Street, which Fisher Brothers is also developing. While the developments may have a commonality in extraordinary height, they will all have very distinct designs.

The protrusion atop 101 Murray Street is a vast departure from typical architecture in New York City, as buildings in Manhattan tend to taper as they rise. Coop Himmelb(l)au’s website dubs the building the “Skywing Tower,” and it will apparently have a counterpart in Seoul. DeSimone’s website has additional details.

Construction is a long ways off, as the existing building at 101 Murray must still be demolished; the site’s current occupant is a dormitory for St. John’s University, and it was acquired for $233 million. The article on Crain’s indicates the Skywing Tower will have 370,000 square feet of space, dedicated to condominiums.

While 101 Murray’s new design won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, it will certainly be unique; the skyscraper’s impact will be diminished by the proximity of the World Trade Center and the other new residential towers, as well.

No completion date has been announced, but St. John’s will vacate the existing building this summer, paving the way for demolition.

http://www.yimbynews.com/wp-content/...101murray1.jpg
101 Murray Street, to be demolished -- image via Google Maps

:eek: Moth. Hair. Fork. Air.........................

:uhh:

Somehow Coop Himmelb(l)au managed to make thin and tall with a crown look ridiculous.

It's not bad...just get rid of the top.

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6461083)

It's not bad...just get rid of the top.

The glass looks too reflective as well.

OK, we need to take a deep breath and relax. Things have obviously gotten out of control in Manhattan. This looks like some sort of metal tool..a specialty screwdriver? WTF

Point Number One: I'd rather have this one than the Seoul Twin...and stow the Don Cornelius jokes. ;)

2. What be this I hear? There are already loud calls for the removal of the *only* element of this tower's design that indeed separates it from the very same dog-eared trend of American high-rises toward form>function>formula wrapped in stultifying plain vanilla...that so many here are dying to see done away with.
In short: For you all whose cries of "There can be found absolutely nowhere in this town a quarter-iota of originality or true avant-gardrism in skyscraper design."? Well...Here's the second radical departure from your claims (56L being the first).
I mean Jeebus, If KH were to give that sister tower a little bit more evenness in form, I'd welcome *that* design too the Apple's insanely growing list of new skyscrapers as well.

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