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Dmajackson Jan 24, 2016 4:32 AM

[Halifax] Ben's Bakery | 30 & 18 m | 10 & 6 fl | U/C
 
This project has been planned for awhile but it appears that Danny Chedrawe is moving it forward towards application for a development agreement. A pre-application open house was held for this project showing the basic massing model for the site.

The project covers two properties in West-End Halifax along Quinpool, Pepperall, Preston, and Shirley Street formerly home to Ben's Bakery (buildings are vacant but remain standing).

http://56.media.tumblr.com/e4ad34b14...dq8o1_1280.jpg
Halifax Developments Blog (Photo by David Jackson, Renderings by WSP)

Shirley Street will have townhouses that will look like classic-style duplexes with side-yard parking.

Preston Street will have stacked townhouses.

Pepperall Street will have a low-rise Berkley and townhouses.

Quinpool Road will have commercial at grade with offices in the podium above and a high-rise residential building.

fenwick16 Jan 24, 2016 12:05 PM

Do you know how many residential units are in the proposed development? Would 200 units for the entire development be a fair guess/estimate?

It doesn't appear as though it should generate too much opposition since the main tower isn't too tall, but still, it seems to be a fairly dense development for that part of the city.

OldDartmouthMark Jan 24, 2016 2:57 PM

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1...eel-even-smell

worldlyhaligonian Jan 25, 2016 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fenwick16 (Post 7310711)
It doesn't appear as though it should generate too much opposition since the main tower isn't too tall, but still, it seems to be a fairly dense development for that part of the city.

Good one.

Just wait, people will be going nuts over this. Its south of Quinpool.

I doubt it will look anything like this in the end.

JET Jan 25, 2016 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by worldlyhaligonian (Post 7311356)
Good one.

Just wait, people will be going nuts over this. Its south of Quinpool.

I doubt it will look anything like this in the end.

Someone told me that today, "only short building south of Quinpool!";
the person was all set for a battle, but I had no time or interest. :runaway:

worldlyhaligonian Jan 25, 2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JET (Post 7312002)
Someone told me that today, "only short building south of Quinpool!";
the person was all set for a battle, but I had no time or interest. :runaway:

I'm in no way advocating this idea... I just understand the folks who live in the area directly south of Quinpool. Many of them even perceive themselves to be full fledged "southenders"

The proposal looks great, but the resident-types south of Quinpool have even more pull than the ones that shut down Spirit Place on Willow street.

This is largely why there has yet to be a successful, legally operated, bar or nightclub on Quinpool. The closest thing is Freemans... and its obviously more restaurant oriented.

Hali87 Jan 25, 2016 10:40 PM

Part of it is that there is* a restriction on Quinpool (an old one, if I'm not mistaken) that severely limits businesses on Quinpool to serve alcohol to customers who are not also buying food. IIRC this also applies to a few other main streets in HRM.

*or at least was until recently; not sure if this has changed

Keith P. Jan 25, 2016 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hali87 (Post 7312409)
Part of it is that there is* a restriction on Quinpool (an old one, if I'm not mistaken) that severely limits businesses on Quinpool to serve alcohol to customers who are not also buying food. IIRC this also applies to a few other main streets in HRM.

*or at least was until recently; not sure if this has changed

That is still true; however, how it came to be is largely because of the influence of residents who believe they are somehow special and that their commercial street should not be sullied by a bunch of drunken louts in a bar.

worldlyhaligonian Jan 26, 2016 1:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith P. (Post 7312429)
That is still true; however, how it came to be is largely because of the influence of residents who believe they are somehow special and that their commercial street should not be sullied by a bunch of drunken louts in a bar.

Yes. I wonder how many businesses have failed due to these types of rules?

How can they be changed? The former second cup would be a great place for a small bar.

Dmajackson Aug 16, 2017 4:53 PM

Regional Council recently voted to allow this proposal to continue through the public consultation process even though it does not fully align with the Centre Plan objectives.

Halifax Planning - Case 20323

IanWatson Aug 16, 2017 5:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmajackson (Post 7894693)
Regional Council recently voted to allow this proposal to continue through the public consultation process even though it does not fully align with the Centre Plan objectives.[/URL]

Just for a bit of context on this (and why it's different from the other plan amendment proposals), the site is currently zoned Bakery (B). This is the only place in the city where that zone exists. There is actually a policy in the current Halifax Plan that says once the site is no longer a bakery, Council should work with the landowner to develop new land use rules specific to the site.

robotropolis Aug 28, 2017 11:18 AM

In "water is wet" news....

Proposal for Ben's Bakery site panned by community group

'Too much density, traffic and shading,' says Willow Tree Group spokesperson

Pam Berman, cbc.ca August 28 2017

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/n...osal-1.4262734

Keith P. Aug 28, 2017 11:32 AM

Peggy Cameron strikes again, and once more CBC News and Pan Berman give her anti-development attitudes a voice. Berman must have her on speed dial.

Nothing wrong with this proposal but look for Council to call for 10 storeys to be sawed off to 6, and 4 stories to be deemed "TOO TALL!!!". Ridiculous.

I remember stumbling across the minutes of council meetings from the old City of Halifax from the 1950s a while ago dealing with the time when the Ben's site was first proposed for a bakery. It was controversial at the time. Not only were there allegation of conflict of interest in property sales on the part of a councillor, but the residents at the time objected to the idea of a bakery in their beloved neighborhood. Nevertheless it went through, with many platitudes voiced about jobs and what a good businessman the proponent was. This proposal strikes me as a considerable improvement.

worldlyhaligonian Aug 28, 2017 4:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by worldlyhaligonian (Post 7311356)
Good one.

Just wait, people will be going nuts over this. Its south of Quinpool.

I doubt it will look anything like this in the end.

Lol, my post from 2016... You don't have to be Nostradamus in Halifax. :D

Dmajackson Oct 5, 2018 12:54 AM

This is still moving through the approval process.

Case #20323 - Halifax & West Community Council Report

Jstaleness Oct 5, 2018 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmajackson (Post 8336357)
This is still moving through the approval process.

Case #20323 - Halifax & West Community Council Report

This one is a true version of "slow rise" Development. (had to insert the bakery joke)

Jreeb Nov 28, 2018 4:17 PM

Read on AllNS this morning that the Berkeley Seniors Residence and the townhouses will be the first buildings to be built.

Also found these renderings:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4884/4...2c470fd6_b.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4837/3...ff4051a0_b.jpg

Takeo Nov 29, 2018 11:21 AM

The same people who freak out over anything taller than 3 stories are now freaking out because this development doesn’t include any affordable housing :rolleyes:

Keith P. Nov 29, 2018 12:17 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Cb5iDpK.jpg

JET Nov 29, 2018 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeo (Post 8393679)
The same people who freak out over anything taller than 3 stories are now freaking out because this development doesn’t include any affordable housing :rolleyes:

Takeo, the two are not mutually inclusive, even though you might want them to be.


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