I never said it was going to be a suburb cal, i said i was worried it would become a bedroom community, with people just going back to their condo and not going out and interacting on the street at all.

And all these condos are not going up on Bremner, the tallest of them will be going up between lakeshore/Harbour and the gardiner, which I am afraid will not be properly designed with respect to the street level.

Like i said I hope I am wrong, but I just have a bad feeling about the neighbourhood.

And outside of events at the ACC/rogers centre Bremner can be quite dead.

That phase was literally just built. Give it time. Few people in the neighbourhood even know it exists at this point. That will change very rapidly as the city prepares for the Pan Am games and the area around Corktown and the Disterilly starts to take on its finished form.

You'd be surprised what people like to do in the city. Look at the success of the urban beach down at the foot of Sherbourne. Look at how popular NYC's elevated parkway is.

You really need to stop saying how bad they are, when NO ONE (except the developer/architect) even knows what they will look like yet... what you are seeing is pure speculation...

I can't understand how someone can hate a skyscraper they've never seen. If these 250 meter towers looked exactly like Shangrila Vancouver, Chadlillacc would love them. If they looked like Tour des Canadiens, Rico would love it.

When did I ever say I loved Shangri-La?

It's much better than the Toronto version, but that's not hard. Infact I'd probably favour FCP, Ritz Carlton Vancouver, and the main tower of Burrard gateway over the Living Shangri-La any day.

It's just that those twins are plain garbage and I couldn't possibly dislike them more, and 120 Harbour is just in the wrong location... though I am fond of the final design of 120 Harbour, so there you go :)

Than why are people putting them in renders? furthermore, why are people rendering them to be as ugly as could possibly be? Why not be atleast somewhat optimistic?

Why are you so intent on digging yourself deeper into that little hole you've dug? Do you really need to have it explained to you? Just how old are you again? 9? People put them in renders because they want to have an idea as to what the general massing will be like in comparison with neighboring buildings.

Why not at least be somewhat optimistic you say? Okay, just who appointed you as Canada's resident architectural expert?
While I don't think the fantasy renders are all that impressive, I think we've all seen far worse designs, except for you it seems.
Then again, this is coming from someone who thinks the Burrard gateway is superior to Shangri-la. :sly:

hahaha, so you are claiming superiority to my supposed 9 year old intellect yet shitting on all of my opinions.


What did the pot call the kettle again?

:)





Annnnyways, random question for anyone who may know the answer: Was the Bank of Nova Scotia Building (1951) the last art deco skyscraper ever built in Canada, or possibly the world? The only reason I ask is because 1951 seems pretty late for a major art deco tower to be built.

what's more, why would I care about this alleged hole I'm digging myself? I'm talking with people who could not care less about my opinions, so why would I be even remotely be concerned with yours?

Guy you're too funny, you need to go to yuk yuk's comedy night and tell them the joke about you being member of a skyscraper website yet you don't want to see any new skyscrapers built because they're terrible.

The crowd will ask you why as a skyscraper website fanboy would you hate a skyscraper you haven't seen the final design of.

Then you tell the crowd that they're terrible because you have special powers and can see into the future when you stick your head in a hole and breath in hard.

Then they'll laugh at you.

Or maybe you could just chill out for a second? That could work.


My statements have all been towards the atrocities you rendered a few days back. The twins you rendered are hideous and would be a blight on the skyline. The end. Maybe I will change my mind when the actual designs are released, but I thought you may have had some insight into what they will ultimately look like and hence rendered them accordingly. You can all stop with the bullshit now, it was just an honest mistake.


What is with the insane hostility anyways? You guys finally found someone who won't back down and won't take your shit so you just gang up on me? Very cool, internet bullying is all the rage right now. Sorry to turn your own crap on you, but instead of looking like really smart mature guys, you look like fucking morons. Making fun of a guy because he made a mistake, then continuing to insult his character (which you know nothing about) and thinking you're so cool because of it.


Let's get real, it's an architecture forum. I made a very simple mistake, sorry I'm not yet at your calibre of genious (I mean that seriously, because I'm pretty new to the world of architecture).



I love tall buildings, I hate ugly buildings.
I love seeing any kind of new major development in Canada. I hate ugly buildings.


Sue me.

What part of massing rendering do you not understand.

Have you ever heard of a concept car?

Have you ever heard of a prototype?


These renderings that you are seeing are being rendered within the building envelope and are in no way/ or no way near how the buildings will look.

We don't even know who the designer of the building is. What we're asking is what makes you so special you know what the design of the building will be before the developer has even hired an architect.

I don't think I'm "so special".

Did you read my entire post? I said I made a mistake because I thought you may have had some insight into what the final product may be. Hence the mistake I made which apparently justified an attack by several people.

Ok seen. Look on the bright side, at least you know what a massing rendering is if anyone asks.

Yayyyy :D

Well its no surprise that you completely missed the point and avoided mentioning your initial argument.

Oh not to worry, I couldn't care less if you did or didn't. But obviously you haven't noticed, nobody here is in agreement with you.

Nope that's not it, its your ignorant comments that justified these responses.

And FYI it wasn't Cal who produced the fantasy render.

Nice depictions, but I thought he was being sarcastic posting those. The only city I've seen anything resembling street life next to a highway is Tokyo. We can improve areas next to and under highways, but it's very tough to get people to hang out there.

Um... and the people are where?

Does a Torontonian have to point out to a Montrealer that in 1962 Montreal had taller buildings than Chicago? ;)