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Luv the design!!! Figures it takes a Texan to make things go big!
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is this true that the building will have no windows??
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I think this one is nice design, but not quite for Las Vegas. It need different design, like add more colors, lights, stunning, which will fix for Las Vegas.
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This thing is not gonna be built..... come on...Vegas is in a boom right now but...I dont see this thing being constructed.
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Las Vegas Tower
The proper name of the project is The Las Vegas Tower (LVT). The project is located at 2600 Las Vegas Blvd. South in Clark County, Nevada (the resort corridor is not in the City of Las Vegas proper). The site was once commonly known as Wet 'N Wild. LVT is a straight hotel-casino. However, the keys/units have been designed, entitled and will be constructed as resort-condominiums to provide for the possibility of one day selling units in the building if market conditions once again permit.
The developer is International Development Management (IDM) based in Austin, Texas. The owner (of LVT and IDM) is Christopher F. Milam. The height of the crown is 1,888' AGL. LVT will be the tallest building in the US and the tallest hotel in the World. The architect of the tower component is Adrian Smith of SOM (Chicago) and of the podium is Paul Steelman of PSDG (Las Vegas). The senior structural engineer is Bill Baker of SOM (Chicago). Hotel room ID and retail ID are RTKL (variously the Miami, Los Angeles and Chicago offices; led by Daun St. Amand in LA). Structurally, LVT is modeled on the Burj Dubai (BD). It has the same architect (SOM), structural engineer (SOM), MEP engineer (F&K), fire & life safety consultant (RJ) cost consultant (F&G), wind tunnel consultant (RWDI), and many others. It is a tripod, which is the most efficient structural shape for a super-tall building. The similarities have already been noted to BD in the typical level plans. This allows the maximization of height with minimum penalty for structural weight/cost. It is also rigid with respect to both wind and seismic effects. Wind is the controlling force in the case of LVT. The LVT structure is composite steel and concrete for reasons of both speed and cost (whereas BD is all concrete). For a hotel/residential building, this shape also maximizes curtian wall area, minimizes view conflicts, and minimizes walking distances for guests. Almost all the resort hotels in Las Vegas are Y shaped (look at the various permutations on Google Earth). In a distant-relative way, LVT is the same for different reasons (LVT was driven by the need for structural efficiency). It's a happy circumstance that this shape is also the best for hotel/residential buildings from the user/occupants perspective. LVT is 67% efficient top to bottom. A standard-height hotel tower would typically be 70%. LVT's efficiency (excellent for a tall building) was made possible by maintaining an economic aspect ratio (building height to total mass). BD, although elegant, is very inefficient in it's top 80 floors. It's non-commercial as a stand-alone project. The owners have the financial resources and a greater regional objective. LVT is a stand-alone investment and therefore must be physcially (and therfore economically) efficient. That being the primary variable to solve for, the consequence of maintaining a high on-floor efficiency at 1888' is a tower of 4.5 million gross square feet containing 3,975 rooms (also constrained by the owner so that 80% of all units had to be 620 net/salable square feet or less). In most markets a hotel with 400 rooms would be large. On the Las Vegas Strip, a hotel of 4,000 rooms is an appropriate size for a variety of reasons related to market demand, land cost and competitiveness. LVT therefore makes good economic sense in Las Vegas, and potentially Manhattan, but unlikely elsewhere in the US. It cannot be smaller (in total mass) and still be efficient, at nearly 2,000' AGL. Such are the constraints of the current state of the art. As an aside, the height was kept below 2,000' to avoid compound FAA and FCC issues. There was no possibility to reach the height of BD (2,640' AGL = one-half mile) and remain efficient (we tried and it generated 6,500 appropriately sized keys) so a relavant height below 2,000' but above the Freedom Tower's 1,776' was selected. 1,888 is the year the Washington Monument was finally opened to the public, at that time the tallest made made structure in the world. Freedom Tower, in its third incarnation (the one that's being built) was designed by David Childs of SOM's New York office. Anyone familiar with the industry would also know the sub-text here; the unspoken competition between these two primary offices of the America's most storied architectural firm. Internally, LVT can be thought of as being organized as three hotels stacked on top of each other. There are three double-height sky lobbies, each of which are served from the base by high-speed double-deck cabs. Check-in occurs at each of the sky lobby levels, not at the base (which has a parallel double mezz confirguration. The sky lobbies, represented by bands around the tower, sit above, and phycially adjacent to, the MEP floors. These MEP floors contain the elevator overrides for the stacks below, along with all MEP equipment for the stack. Each sky lobby serves approximately 60 floors with five lower and five upper-zone single-cab elevators serving approximately 30 floors each. This organization allows the express elevators to drop away above the sky lobby they serve, and for the locals to share the same shafts in each of the three tiers (so there are three tiers, containing two zones each, for a total of six zones). This is an extremely efficient organization with reduces the core size to about 40% of what it would otherwise be. There are also two express double-deck cabs which serve the observation deck and roof restaurant, and two which stop at each sky lobby and serve the pool deck (roof of the podium). All this courtesy of Jim Fortune at Fortune Consulting (rocket scientists). While probably less interesting to readers of this forum, the podium is also a work of art, both architecturally and economically. The podium consists of two primary elements, a large parking garage along the northern property line, and an open-plan casino/retail building along the southern property line. These two structures come together in the middle of the site, the divisor being the sheer walls coming down from the tower above. The casino, restaurant, retail and other front of house (FOH) uses are south of the tower, and all back of house (BOH) functions are north of the tower. All BOH functions roll seemlessly into the relatively inexpensive garage structure, while all FOH functions are contained in the areas south of the tower sheer walls in a relatively expensive structure. The ground floor is primarily casino, restaurants and high-end retail. The mezzanine and second floor is devoted to retail and supporting food service. The roof of the podium contains the resort pools. This organization is most similar conceptually to the Venetian. The large foot-print clear-span space required for the showroom and ballroom is on top of the garage. Placing them here eliminated any need to transfer loads, as the garage structure is already heavily stressed. The showroom and ballroom are on opposite ends, where both can be easily and effectively served by the required mass exit staircases down the outside garage walls and on to the street. The showroom and ballroom co-joint at TV and music recording studios which all share the same BOH areas and equipment; all courtesy of Patrick Berge at Sceno Plus in Montreal (rock stars). Finally, at the groundplane, there are three large porte cochere's, one on the Strip, one on Paradise, and one on a new east-west road connecting the Strip to Paradise along the southern site boundary. The Strip porte cochere will primarily serve the casino, the southern porte cochere will primarily serve guests entering and leaving the hotel room tower, and the Paradise port cochere will primarily serve for quick access to the Las Vegas Convention Center (LVCC) which is two blocks to the south. LVT will also be directly connected to the Las Vegas Monorail with the intent of making the LVCC a direct extension of LVT. Truck and servicing all occurs along the base of the garage wall (northern property line). Regarding entitlements, LVT is located just north of the northern limit of the circling approach airspace at McCarran Airport. This airspace is the primary limiter of height along the Strip and does not impact LVT. There are other procedure-segments which are affected but those issues are not material and can be mitigated. LVT is, in a sense, in the zone of the Stratosphere. Importantly LVT is south of Sahara Ave. The Stratosphere is several blocks north of Sahara and as such is in a much less desirable economic area, and is within the City of Las Vegas proper. LVT is either physically adjacent to or in the immediate vicitnity of the four Turnberry Residence Towers, Fontainebleau, Montreaux, Echelon, Sky, Hilton Resort Residences, Allure, The Sahara, the two Turnberry Towers, and the Hilton Hotel. These are all projects which are either completed, underway or otherwise funded and represent $10 billion in new resort investment, surrounding, but exclusive of LVT itself, which will cost approximately $4.8 billion to deliver (inclusive of land and all softs) - about $1,250,000 per room. The more development oriented reader will probably have already noted that there is no economic demand for a five-star resort of this scale north of Sahara Ave. or east or west of the Strip. And there is no possibility to construct a building like LVT further south due to the circling approach airspace cap. And there is, outside of possbilty Manhattan, little ability to activate the necessary capital due to the number of rooms created, which is derivative of maintaining an econcomic aspect ratio at this height. Therefore, in a very real sense, there is about a one-square mile area in all of the US where a tall building like this is achievable. And here it is. The market at work... Design started on LVT in Jan of 2006 and is currently in advanced SD. DD will be completed by mid-2007 and initial CD packages for the foundation will be issued in the Fall of 2007. Construction of the foundations will start in the 4th quarter of 2007. Completion is expected in the 4th quarter of 2011. http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71491739 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71490467 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71490295 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71491738 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71491740 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71491742 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71491743 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71491744 http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/image/71491745 |
heres the images from the links above. looks great from the current pics imo and not ugly like some people suggest. the first time i saw it i said to myself it looked alot like the burj dubai and then i found out it was designed by the same architect! i would love to see this get built.
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http://k47.pbase.com/o6/48/733348/1/...LVTRender1.JPG Las Vegas Tower. Hope that's just a working name (not that the other was much better). It's really not all that bad, though I don't see it getting built. |
Why do people propose such extravagant buildings in places where they are not needed. Don’t get me wrong I love the design... but I doubt this thing will be built.
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Certainly the information provided yesterday sheds alot more light on this project. It looks better with the newly provided renderings(not that I thought it was bad to begin with). If it can be built anywhere it is Vegas(both economically and aesthetically IMO). with the desert setting it really does eerily seem like somthing that would be equally at home in Dubai.
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I think the design is great! A nice and 'different' design for the USA. still is wide too until the very top.... it's not like a little thin needle. I really hope this is built. Plus, if most people are unaware, Las Vegas has been the fastest growing city in the United States for years now. They need and deserve something that will really put their skyline on the map. :banana: :banana: |
the Statrosphere Tower is on the north end of the strip near commercial downtown. a good bit away from the airport. is this where this is proposed???
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Building a taller building does not take away any class. It has nothing much to do with it in my opinion. This is good for Vegas becuase it's different, and again... the population is growing vastly and there is less room to build more hotels with all the people living there. It would be nice to see a tall building there. In addition, this builiding makes sense to build in that city and in it's particular location. |
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That is one spectacular tower. Hope it gets built.
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I like the design, don't love it, but what I do love about this building is that it would be taller then the freedom tower with out needing a massive spire to do it. I don't know what the deal is with NYC, the freedom tower, BOA tower, Times headquarters, they all have spires that are way too large. :yuck:
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Futuristic, I like it..just wish it was in Chicago :) Lucky Vegas, hope it gets built!!
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i dont think its tall enough such a simple design really reminds me of like the huge arcologies like the bionic tower... this should compete for wtb really...
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^^ In the photo, what is that grey tower to the right of LVT? Looks to be 700+ feet at that scale.
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Las Vegas is Las Vegas. It doesn't need anything else to put it on the map. Even a world's tallest would be lost in the background there. |
"As an aside, the height was kept below 2,000' to avoid compound FAA and FCC issues. There was no possibility to reach the height of BD (2,640' AGL = one-half mile) and remain efficient (we tried and it generated 6,500 appropriately sized keys) so a relavant height below 2,000' but above the Freedom Tower's 1,776' was selected. 1,888 is the year the Washington Monument was finally opened to the public, at that time the tallest made made structure in the world. Freedom Tower, in its third incarnation (the one that's being built) was designed by David Childs of SOM's New York office. Anyone familiar with the industry would also know the sub-text here; the unspoken competition between these two primary offices of the America's most storied architectural firm."
************************ Anyone know what they mean by "it generated 6,500 appropriately sized keys" when they tried designing this tower to reach the height of the BD? Anyway - so they based the height on the year the Washington Monument was completed, huh? Looks like Libeskind started an interesting trend... Based on their comments regarding why they didn't design the thing to hit 2,000 feet at least (FAA & FCC issues), I don't think this country will see anything like the BD for a long, long time - if ever. |
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You cannot compare this design to the Sears Tower, Empire State Building, or even the Freedom Tower. Also, Vegas is not ready for an almost-2,000-ft. tower. It needs to build up its shorter skyline first. New York and Chicago have vast bases of shorter and mid-height buildings to visually support a building of such significant height. Vegas needs to stop sprinting ahead, and take a little time to escape its old-time kitsch. A city of 500,000+ people needs a chance to turn into a real city besides a resort destination. |
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New York and Chicago are very classy cities. :cheers:
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:previous: I agree with alot of what you are saying. Yes Vegas needs, and can go higher, but there is a difference between 800' and 1,800'. and if you read, i stated that vegas needs to escape its old-time kitsch, i.e. big box resorts. This tower would not do as a tallest building in any city, resort or office or residential or whatever.
I'm sorry but but dislike this design. I love Vegas but it can do better than that. :( |
Usually I don't care for rounded buildings very much, but this one has really grown on me as the renders kept getting better and better.
Las Vegas Tower breaks both the "big square box" and "kitsch" molds of the earlier mega-resorts in one bold design. It's not square-cornered or "Disneyesque", yet still supplies enough rooms and spectacle to make it work in this market. |
Yeah, I usually hate these "sculpture" type buildings, but this one seems to be very classy. I was worried before I saw it in the context of the skyline that it would look too fat, as most of these rounded buildings do, but this one looks perfect. As for all of the other talk about Vegas needing to build a skyline to fit this first, and all of that, that's just ridiculous and a double-standard applied to newer cities whenever they decide to jump for something big.
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I'm happy to provide an elevation rendering of the project to VegasRain to include in the height comparison graphics (replacing the current building image). Those are well-done, informative graphics and I just want to ensure that you have the most current LVT image. I'll try to have something up this evening that you can use (tiff image with alpha?). Let me know if you need anything else. Our main priority is to ensure that the project is presented as accurately as possible from a visual standpoint. Thanks. |
The more I hear about this project the more confidence I have.
For those of you worried about the FAA killing this project, I was just looking at the bios for the team at JDA negotiating with the FAA in Washington. Some of these guys know the FAA inside and out because they used to run it or the NTSB. http://www.4jda.aero/team.html Joseph Del Balzo is the founder and President of JDA, Mr. Del Balzo previously served as FAA Acting Administrator and Deputy Administrator during his FAA tenure. Other positions included serving as FAA Executive Director of Systems Operation and Executive Director of System Development, as well as directing the FAA Technical Center. Mr. Del Balzo is a Fellow of the America Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and a member of the Board of Directors and Chairman of the Air Traffic Control Association. The Honorable John J. Goglia, former two-term Member of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, is JDA’s Senior Vice President for aviation operations and safety programs. Mr. Goglia is an internationally recognized expert in aviation maintenance and aircraft operations, and led numerous important investigations and safety initiatives out of his NTSB office. Prior to his Senate confirmation, Mr. Goglia was based with USAir for over thirty years and was the recipient of the prestigious 1994/Industry Aviation Mechanic of the Year Award. Gregory A. Feith is a former National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Senior Air Safety Investigator with a wide range of aviation investigative and safety experience. He has investigated hundreds of general aviation and air transport aircraft accidents worldwide during his more than 20 years with the Safety Board. Greg has served as the Investigator-in-Charge or U.S. Accredited Representative of a number of high profile aircraft accidents. William Handel is currently JDA's Vice President for Airport and Airspace. Bill retired from the FAA as Regional Administrator of the Eastern Region. During his tenure at the FAA, Bill held positions such as Eastern Region Deputy Regional Administrator and Airports Division Manager. As VP of Airports and Airspace, Bill primarily focuses on FAA policy issues related to Engineered Materials Arresting Systems (EMAS) for runway safety areas. He also manages JDA's program for obstruction evaluation for planned structures near an airport. Lou DeRose is currently the Senior Airport Specialist for JDA Aviation Technology Solutions, headquartered in Washington, DC. His work at JDA has focused primarily on application of the new technology Engineered Materials System (EMAS) to civil airports and assisting airport owners in dealing with the relationship of EMAS to FAA safety area standards and policies. Prior to his current work with JDA, he spent over 38 ½ years with the FAA, initially as an engineer involved in the siting, design and installation of air navigational systems but, most of his FAA career was devoted to airport safety, planning, design, environmental protection and grant administration programs. Prior to his retirement from FAA in January 1994, Lou was the Manager of Eastern Region Airports Division where he was responsible for FAA decision-making for the complex airport system. |
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Vegas is full of hype. but I have hope.
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I think its a great looking tower and you've got to admire its height! Las Vegas would seem to be an ideal place for such a project.
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viva las vegas here we come ! :yes: :haha: |
Reminds me of the Tower of Russia somehow.
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Looks better in the current rendering. This building would really "belong" in only two cities. As long as it doesn't rotate or feature the "World's Tallest Sun Dial", I guess I have no major issue with it being in Las Vegas. It's not as tasteless as it could have been.
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That's one graceful tower. What are the facade materials? I'm having a hard time placing them.
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Quick cut and paste to see what it would look like from my house. Of course, it’s facing the wrong direction and you must envision all the new buildings around it (this pic is already way outdated), but you get the idea.
http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/1874/lvtower1qv0.jpg Impressive! I must say I’m starting to love this tower. At ~ 3,930 feet above sea level, this tower would be almost as high as Frenchman Mountain 4,052. Never in my life did I think I would see something this tall in Vegas. I really hope it gets built. |
I've always wondered, does the Stratosphere hold any television or radio station transmitters on its mast, or is everything located on Black Mountain? Man, that's an odd site at night.
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Yeah, I would like to see what it will look like during the night..
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Maybe a tower that size doesn't belong in Vegas afterall. But then again, it you're going to have a lone tower of that size in any city, it would be there... |
I love it! It tells the world that the U.S. is not about to fall out of the skyscraper race.
Game on, baby! |
Not bad, but the skyline would be better if they threw in many more highrises for balance.
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