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Don B. Apr 29, 2005 9:56 PM

PHOENIX | Project Rundown
 
NOTE: Updated as of December 18, 2009.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...kyscrapers.jpg

PROPOSALS, CONSTRUCTION AND RENDERINGS

1. Will Bruder "Vision Project" in downtown - first introduced in 2006. never a real project
700+ feet, 55 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...skyscraper.jpg

2. Toll Brothers (2 residential towers) near Thomas & Central, proposed 2005 - cancelled.
658 feet, 50 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...stowercopy.jpg

3. SWDG Condominiums - cancelled.
500 feet, 40 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...G_3151copy.jpg

4. Park Place, Phase II - office tower - first announced in 2005 - cancelled.
475 feet, 38 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...MG3729copy.jpg

5. Momentum (Sliver) Tower. never a real project
475 feet, 40 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...mTowercopy.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...tumTower-1.jpg

6. Century Plaza, Phases II and III - cancelled.
450 feet, 40 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...zasiteplan.jpg

7. W Hotel & Residences next to U.S. Airways Arena - cancelled due to lawsuit.
450 feet, 39 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...enixWHotel.jpg

8. Metro (Brophy) Lofts near Highland & Central, proposed 2004 - never a real project.
434 feet, 42 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...MetroLofts.jpg

9. Cityscape, massive mixed-use project with 4 towers at Central & Jefferson - announced February 2006
418 feet, 36 stories (Phase II - Palomar Tower mixed use - core stopped at three stories; on hold now)
385 feet, 27 stories (Phase I - Wachovia Tower - nearing completion)
350 feet, 32 stories (Phases III and IV - on hold now)
332 feet, 28 stories (on hold)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...CityScape1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...CityScape3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...CityScape2.jpg

10. Copper Pointe - proposed condominium project near 3rd Avenue and Van Buren - cancelled
400 feet, 41 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...inteCondos.jpg

11. KML Project - rumored mixed-use project first announced in 2005. Cancelled.
400 feet, 40 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...trendering.jpg

12. Cielo Phoenix - two phased twin condo project. cancelled)[/b]
400 feet, 37 stories

13. Central Park East - approved office tower - nearly completed.
383 feet, 26 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...trendering.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...G_7991copy.jpg

14. 44 Monroe - luxury condos - Completed October 2008.
380 feet, 34 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...titledcopy.jpg

15. One Phoenix - 3 tower project on the NW corner of Mcdowell & Central - cancelled.
375 feet, 34 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...OnePhoenix.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nePhoenix2.jpg

16. Phoenix Sheraton Convention Center Hotel - completed October 2008.
360 feet, 31 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...G_7980copy.jpg

17. San Carlos Hotel expansion - cancelled.
350 feet, 30 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...MG0141copy.jpg

18. Omega - new Wallach condo tower just west of Orpheum Lofts - just announced 2007. Cancelled.
318 feet, 32 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ects/Omega.jpg

19. The Jet - condo tower just west of YMCA on 1st Avenue - cancelled.
300 feet, 30 stories

20. Criminal Courts Tower - government project announced in 2008. under construction.
289 feet, 16 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...llery_hmpg.jpg

21. Biltmore Holdings Tower - office project announced in 2005 - cancelled.
264 feet, 22 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...G_0715copy.jpg

22. Summit at Copper Square - completed September 2008.
250 feet, 22 stories
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...G_9406copy.jpg

--don

Don B. Apr 29, 2005 9:56 PM

FINALLY! Phoenix to get new tallest! 50 stories, and it's not Trump!
 
*deleted as project has been revised*

The original proposal was for 50 stories in one project called Central Park East. It was supposed to incorporate part of downtown ASU's residential dorms, independent office and ASU educational space, but the diverse parties couldn't make it work. The project was then divided up into:

1. Central Park East, a 383-foot, 26-story office under construction as of May, 2008;
2. Twin 161-foot, 13-story ASU residential towers, also under construction as of May, 2008; and
3. The Walter Cronkite School of Journalism building, a cool 6-story (but 110 feet tall!) educational structure, also under construction as of May 2008.

Original "massing" study (it's far too hideous to be an actual rendering):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...MG3656copy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...MG3655copy.jpg

See the main post above for the renderings of the newer projects.

--don

phxatty Apr 29, 2005 10:07 PM

That is one ugly buiding. But if it does get built, it makes a nice triangle between Ugly Building, Convention Center Hotel, and BankOne (Chase) Tower.

The views down Central, 1st, 2nd and 3rd Streets will be nice. If the infill comes on line as proposed, Phoenix will have a decent 9 or 12 square block CBD. While that may not be saying much, for those of us in Phoenix that is progress.

Don - Thanks for posting the article.

FlyersFan118 Apr 29, 2005 10:09 PM

nice filller building, but as the tallest? ugh.

Well, this is good news for Phoenix, since they don't have many high-rises, so congratulations.

ltsmotorsport Apr 29, 2005 10:12 PM

So, I couldn't see it in there, but does it give a hieght figure, or only that it will be the new tallest?

PHX31 Apr 29, 2005 10:15 PM

The design is pretty hideous, but from reading the article it seems they realize that and have mentioned it could change (I like the two towers separated by an atrium idea.)

I would rather it be built south of Polk Street, to be closer to the Bank One Building, but we'll just have to wait for that to be developed.

I can't wait a year.

What about the height limit again? Or would this be exactly 500'? Does anyone know a typical floor height for a condo tower of this size?

PHX31 Apr 29, 2005 10:30 PM

Actually, reading the article, it says:

"CMX Chief Executive Don Dillon said the condo project's design could be modified into two side-by-side buildings connected by a glass-enclosed vertical atrium."

SO... does that mean this could be TWO new tallest buildings???

I think I'm getting ahead of myself...

Don B. Apr 29, 2005 10:31 PM

^ Well, it's not likely going to be less than 500 feet, because that would be 10' per floor. If there is going to be some retail and other uses, with spaces between floors, you are probably talking closer to 12' floors for an average, which yields a height of 600 feet. Also note the top portion, which may drive the height up even higher.

The best thing about this project is it may push Trump to build taller downtown just to beat it. An egotistical maniac like him is not going to settle for "second-tallest" in a short city like Phoenix.

Maybe he will build to 700 feet? We can only hope.

I think this building will look better in color, and from better angles.

--don

Dream'n Apr 29, 2005 10:45 PM

That's quite a big lists of buildings.

PHX602 Apr 29, 2005 11:08 PM

Goddamn that looks horrible. :yuck:

I’m confident that this proposal will get a new design though. Here’s to the Phoenix members who haven't given up faith that our city would finally start to get its shit together. Things are looking very promising in the PHX!

http://img17.echo.cx/img17/9305/champagne5ju.gif :) http://img17.echo.cx/img17/9305/champagne5ju.gif

Oh btw, Don, you forgot to update the Metro lofts to 434 ft again.:D

plinko Apr 29, 2005 11:18 PM

I'd be shocked if that building was 600'. Look at it. A parking base (NEVER more than 10' floor to floor) and an average condo floor height in the neighborhood of 10'. The retail space at the bottom can be built in a way to take up two parking floors without actually being 2 floors.

Looks like 7-8 penthouse floors with maybe a 13' floor to floor.

Mechanical penthouse on the roof is in the neighborhood of 35'.

560' maybe.

Still, I'll be curious to see two things:

1. How the FAA reacts.
2. How the city deems building height. *I realize that we all count things like mechanical penthouses and elevator wells, but quite often the city doesn't. Quite often cities only count to the roof height BEHIND the parapet. I can't remember if that's how they do it in Phoenix, but I know that's how they do it in Mesa and Tempe. Relevance - This building while maybe topping out at 560' to the penthouse goes into city planning at a mere 525' which is ALOT closer to the 500' cap.

My reaction to the model is one of fear. That looks like something dusted off from 1967 or something. Mike Brady can ya hear me?!?

I've worked in this industry long enough to know though that the finished product will look FAR different than that model.

Chicago3rd Apr 29, 2005 11:20 PM

It is silly that Phoenix doesn't have taller condos. It has some of the most incredible city lights at night....I have ever seen. That should be worth the extra cost of going up.

Don B. Apr 29, 2005 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko
I'd be shocked if that building was 600'. Look at it. A parking base (NEVER more than 10' floor to floor) and an average condo floor height in the neighborhood of 10'. The retail space at the bottom can be built in a way to take up two parking floors without actually being 2 floors.

Looks like 7-8 penthouse floors with maybe a 13' floor to floor.

Mechanical penthouse on the roof is in the neighborhood of 35'.

560' maybe.

Well, even at 560', I'm still as happy as a pig in shit.

:D

--don

EDDYC Apr 30, 2005 12:06 AM

For the fifth largest city in the country, Phoenix needs to get itself a larger skyline. Its about time they got a new tallest, although the design doesn't look too thrilling. Is Phoenix one of those FAA height restriction cities, or are there just too many NIMBYS obstructing progress?

Stephenapolis Apr 30, 2005 12:19 AM

Well it will be nice to see some more height finally added to Pheonix.

InfillJunkie Apr 30, 2005 12:58 AM

Yeh that design is hideous. But way to go PHOENIX!!!

Upward Apr 30, 2005 1:00 AM

50 stories!!! w00t!!! :banana:


But...

EW!! What a horrible design! Looks like a horrible bastardization of Philadelphia's PSFS Building.

I like the height though :D How can I not? I just hope the design gets revised to something better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko
My reaction to the model is one of fear. That looks like something dusted off from 1967 or something. Mike Brady can ya hear me?!?

LOL!!! Indeed... The worst part (well, aside from the massing) is the large section that appears to be windowless with vertical stripes. This is the developmentally-disabled love-child of PSFS and that incredibly ugly green building in Tucson.

Quote:

Originally Posted by plinko
I've worked in this industry long enough to know though that the finished product will look FAR different than that model.

Yay! There's hope!

oliveurban Apr 30, 2005 1:07 AM

We shall see. Very exciting, but yea, not the best looking. Like someone said, as a 'filler', not so bad. As the pinnacle of our skyline, not so good.

I'm in agreement.

Upward Apr 30, 2005 3:33 AM

Well, maybe it will only be filler until Trump builds a taller one. :D

Don B. Apr 30, 2005 3:38 AM

Dammit...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PHX602
Goddamn that looks horrible. :yuck:

I’m confident that this proposal will get a new design though. Here’s to the Phoenix members who haven't given up faith that our city would finally start to get its shit together. Things are looking very promising in the PHX!

http://img17.echo.cx/img17/9305/champagne5ju.gif :) http://img17.echo.cx/img17/9305/champagne5ju.gif

Oh btw, Don, you forgot to update the Metro lofts to 434 ft again.:D

I always keep forgetting to fix that.

Gee, I wonder why? Freudian slip? :)

--don


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