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M II A II R II K Apr 28, 2007 3:26 PM

NEW YORK | 175 Greenwich St. | 1,079 FT | 80 FLOORS
 
http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_down.../214000-pu.jpg

http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_down.../222000-pu.jpg

Lord Rogers’s Tower 3 at 175 Greenwich Street, between Dey and Cortlandt Streets, is a flat-topped building with asymmetrical shoulders and the diagonal beams of the exoskeletal framework seem to echo the rooftop of Tower 2. The building will rise 1,155 feet, reaching the higher pinnacle at the antennas. It will have five trading floors, three retail floors, nine mechanical floors and 54 floors of offices, for a total of 71 stories.

Cortlandt Street will be kept open between Tower 3 and Tower 4. The Port Authority had originally proposed constructing a shopping arcade that would join the buildings’ bases, but city officials objected to the loss of an open corridor between the memorial and the rest of Lower Manhattan.

Jularc Apr 28, 2007 4:37 PM

http://www.pbase.com/image/77334128.jpg

Scruffy Apr 28, 2007 7:47 PM

i understand why JP Morgan wants to control its own tower but its not an ideal situation at tower 5. Here they have 5 fully adaptable trading floors at their disposal. It seems like a great oppertunity. They have to stop their petty power plays (ooh, im gonna move to stamford) decide on tower 5 or decide on tower 2 before someone else comes in and swipes tower 2's trading floors away from them.

Dac150 Apr 28, 2007 7:57 PM

To me J.P. Morgan had a perfectly fine building a few blocks away. Why they sold it I don't know (possibly because it was too small). This can go either way for me. This can pan out to be a very nice tower if negotiations are worked out or they can pull out and a flimsy residential tower can go up. To me you want these guys hanging around because they'll ensure a large office tower for that spot. If they take tower 2, then the tower 5 spot could not be as large.

KevinFromTexas Apr 28, 2007 8:11 PM

Cool design. I love the facade.

Stephenapolis Apr 28, 2007 9:16 PM

2nd best design in the WTC complex. I really like how the tower is on the farside of the property, away from the memorial site.

pico44 Apr 28, 2007 9:37 PM

I'm a big Rogers fan but I can't think of anything he has done that is as good as the rendering for wtc3. New York is so damn lucky.

Stratosphere Apr 28, 2007 9:47 PM

I don't like this design. It reminds me of the NY Times tower which looked cool in renders but average in photos.

CoolCzech Apr 28, 2007 9:48 PM

Certain details of the facade - like the screens at the top - remind me of the NY Times tower. I hope Rogers considers how that building turned out before finalizing his plans.

Stratosphere 2020 Apr 28, 2007 10:04 PM

That is a handsome modern building! Good for NYC!

STERNyc Apr 28, 2007 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolCzech (Post 2802077)
Certain details of the facade - like the screens at the top - remind me of the NY Times tower. I hope Rogers considers how that building turned out before finalizing his plans.

The screens at the top are not the problem with the NYTIMES. Its the rods. The screens here are glass and should look brilliant along with the rest of the tower. No rods, just steel and glass in a compact, gotham-modern design.

Lecom Apr 28, 2007 11:06 PM

Industrial factory aesthetic. Great for Gotham.

Aleks Apr 28, 2007 11:10 PM

dang it but yeah it is the second best of the towers!
i really like it
nice facade and for a flat roofed building it looks awesome

JMGarcia Apr 28, 2007 11:12 PM

It works well with the FT and is very "gotham modern" IMO. It should be a stunner.

DUBAI2015 Apr 28, 2007 11:38 PM

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/72105228/original.jpg

Looks like a cool tower for NYC.

NYguy Apr 29, 2007 4:48 AM

Probably my favorite of the new WTC towers...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66811556/original.jpg

NYguy Apr 29, 2007 4:50 AM

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466726/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466726/original.jpg

NYguy Apr 29, 2007 4:51 AM

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466720/original.jpg

NYguy Apr 29, 2007 5:06 AM

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66520872/original.jpg

Patrick Apr 29, 2007 5:10 AM

The problem with 3 WTC is it has too much detail. The Other towers are plain, but unique in their own way. The braceing on the tower is very cool, but dosnt belong in the complex. Maybe it would be better off without the exterior braceing.

bayrider Apr 29, 2007 5:40 AM

Kinda like the NY Times tower done right.

Thefigman Apr 29, 2007 1:45 PM

This building compliments the Calavatra's new terminal.

I would love to see a rendering looking at this building from the memorials, especially the South Tower memorial. The view will be fantastic!

Adyton Apr 29, 2007 1:53 PM

Exterior details and Bracing is what makes it!
 
The exterior detailing and bracing is what makes this tower extraordinary... unique! It will be one of the "BEST" worldwide once built... an instant supertall landmark ... similar to what IM Pei's Bank of China building did for Hong Kong:yes:

What's remarkable is... Foster's tower 2 will be another right next store... then you have Calatrava's station... another... it's like the WOW factor multiplied exponentially by 3!

NYguy Apr 29, 2007 4:39 PM

Closer look at some of those details...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66811553/original.jpg

Nowhereman1280 Apr 29, 2007 5:27 PM

I have to agree with Patrick, the details are a little too busy for me. I mean I'm all for exposed structural bracing (i.e. the beautiful Hancock), but this one looks a bit busy especially when view from an angle instead of dead on. Tower 2 is my favorite in the complex, but this is a close second, it could possibly have been my favorite if it had a little more conservative detailing. That's why I don't like Times tower, its too busy.

Other than that, great building, in any case I'd love to have it in Chicago!

DUBAI2015 Apr 29, 2007 9:25 PM

Tower 2 does'nt show up in that picture

oldpainless Apr 29, 2007 9:53 PM

There is an interesting contrast between WTC 3 and 4. 3 is very complex and detailed while 4 is very undetailed and smooth. It should be interesting to see them side by side with the huge contrast.

KevinFromTexas Apr 30, 2007 3:10 AM

I think this one's actually my favorite. From top to bottom it's beautiful and interesting.

john_mclark Apr 30, 2007 6:17 AM

I didn't like it at first but then I looked at it again and changed my mind. It’s a really cool looking building.

nitroek Apr 30, 2007 6:58 AM

Besides good looking, it looks pretty modern and quite stylish, as a building should be specially in NY:tup:

CoolCzech Apr 30, 2007 12:26 PM

My impression of the rendering is that, overall, its fine. My criticism would be that perhaps its a bit too busy. On the other hand, size goes a long way towards making me feel better about it... it'll look beautiful once finished, provided the execution is up to par.

NYguy Apr 30, 2007 6:44 PM

Work continues on site/construction of the slurry wall for the new "bathtub"...
www.lowermanhattan.info

http://lowermanhattan.info/construct...uct03_2007.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construct...stbathtub1.jpg

NYguy May 1, 2007 9:12 PM

Looking at all sides from lowermanhattan.info

http://lowermanhattan.info/construct...s/Rogers-1.jpghttp://lowermanhattan.info/construct...s/Rogers-2.jpghttp://lowermanhattan.info/construct...s/Rogers-9.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construct...s/Rogers-3.jpg_http://lowermanhattan.info/construct...s/Rogers-7.jpg


http://lowermanhattan.info/construct...s/Rogers-6.jpg

Thskyscraper May 1, 2007 10:29 PM

This is my favorite building on the site. I love the exposed bracing.

Aleks May 2, 2007 2:09 AM

so is it gonna be built or is it still a proposed building?!?

djvandrake May 2, 2007 2:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleks0o01 (Post 2808668)
so is it gonna be built or is it still a proposed building?!?

Definitely will be built.

I love the design of this tower. It's Rogers best work yet. If I had any concerns at all, I would say this tower is more fitting as a skyline centerpiece. I could see this dominating the skyline of a lesser city than NY. In the context of the trade center site, it's a touch busy compared to the other towers.

I would die to have a tower of this quality in my silly little town.

STERNyc May 2, 2007 5:46 AM

I love this building, I feel that it's impact is somewhat overwhelmed by its neighbors. Imagine this beauty in place of Bear Stearns in midtown Manhattan with the Metlife Building only about reaching the height of its lower tower setback. Wow!


http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc02/01.jpg

NYguy May 2, 2007 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STERNyc (Post 2809051)
I love this building, I feel that it's impact is somewhat overwhelmed by its neighbors. Imagine this beauty in place of Bear Stearns in midtown Manhattan with the Metlife Building only about reaching the height of its lower tower setback. Wow!

Even the "stubby" Tower 4 will reach the height of the top of the glass pyramid on the new BofA in Midtown.

A few years ago we would have been excited just to get Tower 3 on site. Now it's only 3rd tallest...:yes:

Raraavis May 3, 2007 6:21 PM

Anywhere else in the world this building would be magnificent. However, jammed in so closely to its four siblings all the detail on the building seems out of place. It should either be toned down to match the other buildings or they should go with a radically different glass color to differentiate it from the others.

Antares41 May 3, 2007 8:13 PM

This building is the one that has the most "stand-alone" quality. It doesn't need the other three. It could be built anyway in NYC or anywhere in the world for that matter and it would have been highly celebrated. But, as others pointed out this strength is also its weakness. I just seem to have the least in common with other buildings of the complex. Nevertheless, I don't want to see it altered in any way, not one iota!

NYguy May 3, 2007 9:55 PM

While Tower 4 turns its public face away from the memorial, this tower doesn't...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66755891/original.jpg


It will also have an outdoor deck overlooking the memorial and the trade center, probably for tenants (on top of first setback)...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66755887/original.jpg

Aleks May 3, 2007 11:32 PM

this looks like a building that would fit in in Cgicago or Hong Kong
but anyways thats a huge female dog!!
how tal is the base of the towet looks pretty tall

CoolCzech May 4, 2007 1:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raraavis (Post 2812257)
Anywhere else in the world this building would be magnificent. However, jammed in so closely to its four siblings all the detail on the building seems out of place. It should either be toned down to match the other buildings or they should go with a radically different glass color to differentiate it from the others.

I tend to agree. It IS a nice design, but right next to 4 WTC it might seem too busy and overly detailed.

DUBAI2015 May 4, 2007 1:55 AM

http://general.parameters.cc/00_upload/wtc02/01.jpg

wwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooowwwwwww.

I'm in love with this tower from now on!

sfcity1 May 4, 2007 5:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolCzech (Post 2813275)
I tend to agree. It IS a nice design, but right next to 4 WTC it might seem too busy and overly detailed.

But this fits the character of NYC, that is, very busy and over detailed. Much better than being very forgettable anyways.

NYguy May 4, 2007 11:57 AM

Getting peeks at some new renderings now...
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05042007...m_topousis.htm

WTC'S WINDOW TO THE WORLD
TOWER 3 LOBBY A GLASS-IC


http://www.nypost.com/seven/05042007...s/news019a.jpg

LOOK OUT THERE: 3 WTC, which Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein says will be a corporate dream, will contain a three-story high lobby with glass walls.

By TOM TOPOUSIS
May 4, 2007

Here's the first look at the dramatic three-story lobby slated for World Trade Center Tower 3, with its glass-walled atrium overlooking a new section of Greenwich Street and the Santiago Calatrava- designed rail station just to the north.

Tower 3, which is being designed by British architect Richard Rogers, is one of three towers slated for the eastern edge of the World Trade Center, between Church Street and what will be a newly reopened section of Greenwich Street.

"It's a massive building with 2.4 million square feet of office space," said Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein.

"At 1,155 feet tall, it has 40,000-square-foot floors in the tower and four floors with over 50,000-square- foot trading floors in the base."


Silverstein envisions Tower 3, also known as 175 Greenwich St., as a corporate headquarters because of its large trading floors that are coveted by financial firms.

Of the three towers Silverstein is building between Church and Greenwich streets, Tower 2 and Tower 3 will have trading floors. Tower 4, at the southeastern corner of the site, will host the Port Authority, city government and private tenants.

"They will be magnificent buildings, and they will be at the forefront of technological capability," Silverstein said, explaining that each architect is world renowned.

Norman Foster is designing Tower 2, and Fumihiko Maki is the architect behind Tower 4. Design and engineering teams for all three architects have been working side by side in a 10th-floor center at Silverstein's 7 World Trade Center.

"We're moving totally on schedule, and every benchmark has been accomplished," he said of the design work that is now 50 percent complete. Silverstein said he expects final designs for all three buildings to be done by July 1.

Under a deal worked out with the Port Authority and the governors of New York and New Jersey last year, Silverstein agreed to give up control of the Freedom Tower and a fifth tower slated for a site just a block south of the World Trade Center campus.

As part of the deal, the Port Authority agreed to complete the construction of a 70-foot-deep slurry wall around Silverstein's building site, along with excavation of the site, by the end of the year. The developer, in turn, has agreed to finish his towers by 2012.

Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman said the excavation and slurry-wall construction is on track to be completed in December.

djvandrake May 4, 2007 5:15 PM

Awesome. :) That three story lobby makes a beautiful tower even better.

DUBAI2015 May 4, 2007 10:34 PM

The New World Trade Center:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/4...ce64404a_o.jpg

mudvayneimn May 5, 2007 6:16 AM

When I first discovered the new renderings for the towers that were to be built at the site, this one really stole my heart! I think it is simply amazing, and I think the spot it's in is perfect for it. The completion of new WTC is really going to be one of the highlights of my age groups lifetime!

NYguy May 5, 2007 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudvayneimn (Post 2815996)
When I first discovered the new renderings for the towers that were to be built at the site, this one really stole my heart! I think it is simply amazing, and I think the spot it's in is perfect for it. The completion of new WTC is really going to be one of the highlights of my age groups lifetime!

We're all witnessing something special. Years from now we will look back and remember how lucky we were to have watched it rise.

Even Tower 3, at 1,155 ft (1,255 ft) seems dwarfed by Freedom Tower and Tower 2 from that angle...


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