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Thanks for the pic's Mark, haven't seen those ones in a while. The Freedom Tower's glass really compliments the facade of the WFC. Its give the skyline from that angle a whole new perspective. Even though those are older renderings (just of the other towers, not FT).
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You didn't include the pictures of the Freeddom Tower with the NWTC
Plus most of them are the old renderings. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...fc/New_wtc.jpg |
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Overheard some people at ground zero yesterday talking about how disgraceful it was that nothing has been done. But at least now we have something that we can actually point to and see it's there, even if just the early stages... JANUARY 14, 2007 http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101583/medium.jpg Even as it just peeks at street level... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101590/medium.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101592/medium.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101583/large.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101586/large.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101590/large.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101592/large.jpg |
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More Freedom:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66458468/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66458472/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66462361/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66753660/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66811562/original.jpg_http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66811565/original.jpg |
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Thanks for the renderings NYguy, especially the one of the FT on street level. I never really knew what that looked liked. Construction should continue to move on a steady pace. Spitzer should have it all under control.
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Probably the most striking pic to me, is the rendering of how the lobby will look!! The setup seems quite familiar with the one in 7 WTC.
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Those towers are just gorgeous. They are definately fitting replacements for the old twins.
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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66753660/original.jpg
Foster is proudly and happily pointing to his building as is Rogers. Pataki and Silverstein are both pointing to the Freedom Tower as each claim responsibility for that one. Libeskind still is on the outside forced to look in. |
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I would really like to see this project move a little faster. It seems that they havent done anything since last year, exept make some minor design changes (not including the rest of the complex), and even considering the design changes in the rest of the complex, they should still be working on Freedom.
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Question 1: from the webcam it appears that there are columns for the east wall going up. Can anybody from NYC confirm? Question 2: On the last 2 columns, they have attached something about midway up the columns. I can't make out what it is. Can anyone else? |
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http://www.webbis.org/images/ft/pic07011515595900.jpg And I have also question. What's the thing with that one thin column? Edit: This one is much more clear: http://www.renewnyc.com/WebCamImages...1611595900.jpg |
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I think we all should bitch slap Libeskind. He's the one that almost fucked this whole thing up in the first place.
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i said the same thing,i can not figure out the thin column,it just seems out of place,it is also strange not seeing any i-beams
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This was supposed to be a monument to New York's strength and determination, but instead it's turned into a monument to New York's government gridlock.
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As for government gridlock, there is absolutely no excuse. However because of the size of the project, it's going to take a while for it to start to take shape.
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Do you know when this tower will start growing over ground lvl?
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^this is bolgna! i guarantee the freedom tower will be a tourist attraction forever. why would people forget about it in twenty years. people still visit pearl harbor don't they.
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Please don't misunderstand. I didn't say the Freedom Tower and the other towers of the WTC won't always be a major tourist attraction. They will. I'm just not sure that the symbolism of the fountains and their association with the footprints of the Twin Towers will necessarily be appreciated deep into the future. Not to the tune of $1 billion+ dollars, anyway. |
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I'm very happy about tower 5 coming into the picture though. :dancing: |
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You're right. However at the time, right after the mess was cleaned up, I thought the best scenario would have been just to rebuild the twin towers without hesitation. I would have rather, have had that, but since such is not the case, what we have now, that is starting to go up, as I've said before, and will say again, numerous times, it is alot better than that putrid farce, that was originally designed to go there. |
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I believe they will be, just like the memorial is, in Oklahoma City. |
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It's not expected to rise much higher than this for a while... http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101590/large.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/73101586/large.jpg But I don't think you can see as much at the Goldman site... |
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Amen. |
^ Those bad days are all behind us now, nothing to stand in the way of the towers rising. In fact, towers 2, 3 and 4 would be rising already if not for the PA's delay in constructing the bath tub, which it's currently doing...
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I heard that JP Morgan plans to move into Tower 5, and that it will also be a hotel as well. I thought Blooper wanted that as a residential tower.
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all speculation. no concrete info at all has been released about t5. just conjecture on what everyone wants to be there. i dont think any real news will come out for that tower till 2008 minimum
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:previous: Read NYguy's article in the WTC5 thread. Thats what it's there for.
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Im sorry but I think it doesnt match the rest of the NYC skyline... 2 modern twin towers wouldve followed better in my opinion.
Just something interesting, look how similar this building under construction in madrid is: (although smaller at 850ft) http://static.flickr.com/33/56343033_9d7cb6962a.jpg |
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They can have it. The Freedom Tower is much better. Sad to say, that one in Madrid looks more like one of Liebeskind's contraptions. |
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http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=123656 |
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I saw your thread on Tower 5 after I wrote the post here. |
I think that the placing of the first beams was a symbolic act that the tower is under construction. There is still a lot of foundation work to finish before they can place many more beams.
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The tower is architecturally better than its first model, and it does match the rest of the city's skyline. However, it has to lose its "bomb shelter" base.
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Really, I don't get the point with that huge lobby. If someone blows a bomb infront of the building, there's many more worries than the hole tower coming down (smoke for example) and I don't think that base is gonna help with those. Plus I think it's ugly, but hey, that's just my opinion.
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Freedom Tower has MAJOR ISSUES all over the board, mainly due to political cronyism. The Freedom Bunker is its unofficial name!
http://gutter.curbed.com/archives/28...edom.4.450.jpg It's sad isn't it! |
More news on the WTC front....(NY Times)
Behind the Scenes, Three Towers Take Shape http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images.../blocks600.jpg Larry A. Silverstein, seated right, attended a presentation on Tuesday about the World Trade Center project. By DAVID W. DUNLAP January 18, 2007 FOSTER Maki Rogers,” it says on the doors leading to an 11th-floor design studio overlooking ground zero. No such high-powered international architectural partnership actually exists. But Norman Foster, Fumihiko Maki and Richard Rogers all have employees working together in an unusual collaborative office as the second, third and fourth towers of the new World Trade Center take shape. Tower 1, the Freedom Tower, was born in a flurry of headlines as its architect battled ground zero’s master planner, then had to return to the drawing board after the police questioned the building’s security. Tower 2, designed by Mr. Foster, has already generated controversy, since it will displace what is called the survivors’ stairway on Vesey Street, the only aboveground remnant of the original trade center still standing where it did on 9/11. But except for that, the towers have largely been out of public sight since the first renderings and models were unveiled last September by the developer, Larry A. Silverstein. That is not to say they have been out of mind. Up to 120 architects, engineers and design consultants are working to meet a March 1 deadline for schematic design. This is the phase between the conceptual outline and highly detailed construction documents. The sheer scale is astonishing. Tower 2, for example, will be taller than the Empire State Building, less the antenna. Though Mr. Rogers is credited as the architect of Tower 3 and Mr. Maki as the architect of Tower 4, the truth is that all three towers are intertwined, with one another and with the World Trade Center transportation hub being built by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. So three weeks ago, Silverstein Properties opened a blocklong studio on the 11th floor of 7 World Trade Center with desks for Foster & Partners, Maki & Associates and the Richard Rogers Partnership; for Adamson Associates, the architectural firm coordinating the entire project; for W.S.P. Cantor Seinuk and Leslie E. Robertson Associates, the structural engineers; for Jaros, Baum & Bolles, the mechanical and electrical engineers; and for the Port Authority. The office is modeled on a collaborative studio created last year for the conceptual design phase, but it is about six times larger. “We’re looking forward to enormous productivity,” Mr. Silverstein said. The goal of bringing everyone together in one studio, he said, was to create “a degree of interaction that couldn’t possibly exist if they were in their separate domains.” Michael Jelliffe, a partner in the Foster office, described the arrangement a bit more directly. “You can’t hide behind e-mail,” he said. “There’s a definite dynamic to it. It speeds things up.” The pin board, where drawings are displayed, stretches about 150 feet and is in view of almost every desk, meaning that architects can keep an eye on the others’ progress. “You can’t say, ‘I wasn’t aware of it,’ because you pass it on your way to get a coffee,” Mr. Jelliffe said. EVERY month, the architects report directly to Mr. Silverstein. It was Mr. Jelliffe’s turn on Tuesday. Tower 2, at Greenwich and Vesey Streets, will have four trading floors at its base to accommodate a financial service tenant. The architects originally proposed to locate the elevators for these floors at one end of the trading space, leaving a span of 150 feet for desks. Mr. Jelliffe said that by moving the traders’ elevators from the center to the perimeter of the building, space on the trading floors could grow by 40 feet. He also told Mr. Silverstein that the architects had squeezed four inches out of the mechanical space in the ceiling of each office floor without diminishing the 9-foot-6-inch height of the tenant space. This means that, without an increase in the tower’s overall height, the number of office floors can be increased to 63 from 62. (What landlord wouldn’t appreciate an extra 36,000 square feet of leasable space?) Among Mr. Silverstein’s concerns was the preservation of unobstructed views. He made a point of assuring himself that trusses being added to the perimeter of the structure would be only on mechanical floors, so as not to cut out windows. He made similar points on Dec. 14 as Gary K. Kamemoto, a senior associate at Maki & Associates, presented Tower 4. The discussion that day began with the facade. The original concept had been to sandwich perforated metal mesh between panes of glass, to provide both shading and some transparency. Mr. Kamemoto said other approaches were under study, including the use of a ceramic pattern etched onto the exterior pane of glass with a mirror-coated pane behind it. But he emphasized that the architects would be flexible and creative. “You know us Japanese,” he said to Mr. Silverstein. “We build buildings out of paper.” |
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It's the way of the world. But you don't like it anyway, so why even bother to poke the threads with your extreme hatred for the tower? It's a hell of a lot better than the first three designs, which everyone thought had stunk.:banana: |
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It's meant to protect the tower, outside of it the vulnerabilities a greater and mitgated primarily by stand-off distance and surveillance. Nontheless, if a explosive device is used, there are going to be casualties no matter what. |
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