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Oliver May Jun 25, 2017 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 7843953)
By the strict definition of 'homicide' then yes, manslaughter counts. So would any type of death caused by another human, for instance Calgary had 5 fatal police shooting's last year and all would be classified as homicide when it comes to cause of death. So I will continue to count those although I think the intention of this thread was to track murder rates. Splitting hairs.

I think you are right.

http://homicidecanada.com/ lists manslaughter and even negligence causing death of a baby in Gatineau, so I think that it is standard practice to count them.

Québec City is at 8, then.

Dirt_Devil Jun 26, 2017 8:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver May (Post 7845486)

Québec City is at 8, then.

It's at 9. Don't forget the young guy who killed his mother before committing suicide: http://www.journaldequebec.com/2017/...-jean-baptiste

TorontoDrew Jun 26, 2017 8:42 PM

Toronto is at 21.
http://www.cp24.com/news/shooting-homicide-year-to-date

Edmonton was at 23 ten days ago, wtf?

Darkoshvilli Jun 26, 2017 10:53 PM

It won't happen but how crazy would it be if Quebec has more homicides than Montreal this year? They're both at 9 right now.

Darkoshvilli Jun 28, 2017 2:39 PM

The cops killed another mentally unstable person in Montreal. I'm not totally sure but that's like the 4th or 5th one this year.

SignalHillHiker Jun 30, 2017 12:15 PM

At 10 a.m. this morning the police will announce Cortney Lake's disappearance is now a homicide investigation - as well as more key information.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/ehhzwo.jpg

EDIT: She was picked up by her ex-boyfriend and police believe driven somewhere relatively nearby the city and killed in a wooded area. Ex-BF has been in custody since Tuesday. They caught him via CCTV footage of her getting in his truck in town. Then tracked down the truck.

Sounds like all they need now is to find the crime scene and her. They're asking the public to check dash cams to try to piece together where his truck went after picking her up.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/6xq26b.jpg

vid Jul 3, 2017 2:42 AM

Numbers 2 and 3 for Thunder Bay.

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https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-ne...-police-659966

Police rule deaths homicide, identify victims
Police say Robert Lloyd Gray, 50, and Kory Lee Campbell, age 22, were killed, their bodies found at a Carl Avenue residence.
Both were from northern First Nation communities.

GernB Jul 3, 2017 6:07 PM

The triple murder case from the Crowsnest Pass finally wrapped up in Lethbridge last week. It had everything from child murder to cannibalism to blood drinking. The accused got life without parole for 25 years of course. The details shocked a lot of people here.

240glt Jul 5, 2017 7:14 PM

28 & 29 for Edmonton, one man died when three people were shot downtown and a man found dead in an apartment on the east end of the city

kwoldtimer Jul 5, 2017 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vid (Post 7852987)
Numbers 2 and 3 for Thunder Bay.



Both were from northern First Nation communities.

Have the TB police decided yet whether to upgrade the charges in the case of the indigenous woman hit by a trailer hitch thrown from a car (!) and who has now died?

speedog Jul 6, 2017 1:22 AM

Edmonton at 29, Toronto at 21, Calgary at 12 - the police in Edmonton are sure being kept busy. Something in the water up there?

Edmonton is running at a bit more than 1 a week now.

Acajack Jul 6, 2017 1:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 7855603)
Have the TB police decided yet whether to upgrade the charges in the case of the indigenous woman hit by a trailer hitch thrown from a car (!) and who has now died?

WHAT????? Who does stuff like that?

kwoldtimer Jul 6, 2017 1:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7856039)
WHAT????? Who does stuff like that?

An 18 year old in TB, some months ago. Reportedly said something like "I got one" when he did it. The blow apparently damaged her kidneys, leading to her death.

Acajack Jul 6, 2017 2:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 7856051)
An 18 year old in TB, some months ago. Reportedly said something like "I got one" when he did it. The blow apparently damaged her kidneys, leading to her death.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/newr...eply&p=7856039

So there is an arrest in the case?

kwoldtimer Jul 6, 2017 2:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 7856039)
WHAT????? Who does stuff like that?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunde...eath-1.4189426

vid Jul 8, 2017 3:00 AM

The assailant (a white kid from the rural fringes who attended school with some of the kids who attend the youth centre I volunteer at, though I don't think he's ever been there) was charged with assault at the time. It will likely be upgraded, but the police and coroner are still making determinations on that. The victim had suffered from complications in her liver due to alcohol addiction, and that complicates the investigation of whether the injury was what killed her or it if simply exacerbated her condition, and that will affect which specific crime he is charged with.

This is similar to my uncle's murder a decade ago. He had been physically assaulted so many times in the days leading up to it, that the crown was unable to determine who was actually responsible for his death, and in the end, no one was convicted of anything.

Three relevant stories:

Homicide number 4 happened yesterday afternoon. Again, this was involving indigenous people who were homeless or suffered from addiction. The homicide occurred in an area where homeless people frequently gather to drink.

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https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-ne...omicide-663089

UPDATE: Cumberland street incident ruled homicide

...

Thunder Bay Police have charged 22-year-old, Skylar Masakeyash, with second-degree murder after the victim was found on North Cumberland Street.

According to a Thunder Bay Police Service media release, 31-year-old Kevin Roundhead of Thunder Bay was found unresponsive under the North Cumberland Street bridge at McVicar Creek shortly after 4 p.m.
Last year, a philanthropist left several million dollars to TVOntario to hire some journalists who would report on less-known stories and issues affecting the province and one of the journalists is based in Thunder Bay (he is local, used to work for the local TV station), he published this piece yesterday morning, and it's a good review of our current situation:

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http://tvo.org/article/current-affai...-its-in-crisis


What would it take for Thunder Bay to admit it’s in crisis?

ANALYSIS: In a tale of two hashtags, a city determined to portray itself in a positive light is at odds with Indigenous residents’ concerns about systemic racism

....

The city’s manager, mayor, police board chair, and one of its members of Parliament have not used the word “crisis” to describe the public’s deepening mistrust in the city’s institutions, preferring to couch it in less evocative terms. However, a growing chorus of residents believe this constitutes a failure of the city to be accountable and confront systemic racism.

...
And this morning, Nishnawbe Aski Nation called for a state of emergency to be declared (something I've been suggesting for some time, as well):

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https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-ne...ergency-665065

NAN calls for state of emergency
Nishnawbe Aski Nation urges Thunder Bay, Fort William First Nation to declare state of emergency for safety of Indigenous youth in the city.

“It would send a signal to all our communities that both the city and Fort William First Nation accept what we’ve been saying that the city is in a state of crisis,” Fiddler said, adding a formal request would be made to Thunder Bay and Fort William First Nation officials on Friday afternoon.

...

Fiddler said a declaration would increase the likelihood of having the provincial and federal governments provide additional resources.
It's time for this city to accept that we've got a bigger problem than we alone can handle here. Indigenous people are dying in our streets, both from homicide and from substance abuse, at higher rates than they're dying in other cities. This isn't normal, and this is no longer within our control. I do think however, that the state of emergency needs to include the communities these individuals are coming from.

kwoldtimer Jul 8, 2017 1:20 PM

I saw a news report on "state of emergency" yesterday. What exactly would that entail?

At some point, istm, they are going to need to develop a system of secondary education for kids on the reserves that does not involve moving them to the city. How many kids in total are in the TB situation? I take it there are not enough of them to justify a "collective" secondary school at one of the First Nations?

Oliver May Jul 8, 2017 2:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirt_Devil (Post 7846277)
It's at 9. Don't forget the young guy who killed his mother before committing suicide: http://www.journaldequebec.com/2017/...-jean-baptiste

Sorry. I cannot count. 6 + 1 + 2 = 9.

I also linked to the murder-suicide back in May.

vid Jul 8, 2017 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 7858737)
I saw a news report on "state of emergency" yesterday. What exactly would that entail?

Access to emergency funding to support programmes that deal with things like counselling, housing, education, addition treatment, etc. These are things First Nations leaders have been demanding for years from upper governments but haven't received them.

Thunder Bay itself, just like First Nations, has plans in place to actually mitigate these problems, but the money isn't there to implement them. The upper governments give us money for art workshops and statues but no money to make rivers safer or add lights to dangerous alleyways. It's just not a priority for them. A state of emergency kind of holds their feet to the fire and forces them to react, and gives the city a few extra tools they can use to deal with problems.

The city was last under a state of emergency for several years after flooding in 2012 disabled our sewage treatment plant and contaminated over 1,200 homes with combined sewer and storm water.

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 7858737)
At some point, istm, they are going to need to develop a system of secondary education for kids on the reserves that does not involve moving them to the city. How many kids in total are in the TB situation? I take it there are not enough of them to justify a "collective" secondary school at one of the First Nations?

There is already a secondary school in Sioux Lookout that many go to, but not every community has a connection to that facility. As for putting a single one in one of the First Nations: there's over 50 and they're all about the same size, pick one. Keep in mind that their flights only connect them to Thunder Bay, not each other.

One of the resolutions of the emergency education meeting this week was looking into moving the high school to a different community, the hard part is figuring out the logistics of it. The other hard part is cost.

First Nation education systems receive about 60% of the funding that provincial education systems receive, but their costs are much higher because they have smaller schools, supplies are costlier due to the distance, and teachers cost more because they have to attract them to northern communities and only the most dedicated stick around more than a couple years. Most of their schools simply don't have the resources to go beyond grade 8 or 10. A few go up to 12, in the larger communities, but the high school in Thunder Bay still offers more and the city has a university and college. Despite this crisis, Thunder Bay has one of the most educated and most successful indigenous communities in Canada, and moving the school takes away the kids access to the opportunities that provides.

Distance education via internet could be a partial solution, with occasional trips to other centres for various aspects of coursework or training, but that involves setting up a lot of infrastructure. Not just establishing a way to deliver the curriculum and grade the work, but in many cases, simply giving the community access to reliable internet and providing computers to people who often can't afford one just so they can access the education. Some of those communities are either using satellite services to access internet, or are still using low speed dial-up or ADSL lines that don't have the capacity to provide a quality education through the internet.

vid Jul 8, 2017 10:00 PM

From TBPS Facebook page:

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Thunder Bay Police Service
3 hrs ·

**Two more arrested in connection with Kevin Rounhead homicide**

Incident No. 17048713

UPDATE 2: On Friday July 7th, 2017, two additional people were arrested in connection with the Homicide that occurred at McVicar Creek and Cumberland Street on July the 5th, 2017. 43 year old Emma MASSAKAYASH and 23 year old Jessie CHAPAIS have appeared in court on charges of Second Degree Murder, both have been remanded into custody.

The charges are in relation to the July 5, 2017 death of Kevin Roundhead.


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