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thomax Oct 5, 2014 10:34 PM

[Burlington] Nautique | ? | 26fl | Under Construction
 
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Located at 374 Martha Street:
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- Architectural Drawings/Floor Plans pdf.
- More Info

Beedok Oct 6, 2014 1:44 AM

If Burlington can keep churning these things out than hopefully Hamilton can at least keep pace.

ScreamingViking Oct 8, 2014 2:09 AM

This one might get a rough ride. There's already been opposition to it from the ward councillor and others.
http://www.insidehalton.com/news-sto...-appleby-mall/
http://votemarianne.ca/downtown-wate...re-burlington/

I don't think a tall tower is that out of place, given the other development planned or under way on nearby blocks. The developer probably anticipates a request to reduce the height so I bet they proposed 28-storeys while being prepared to build 20-25.

Burlington's lack of available new development land means people have to get used to intensification, but it's going to remain a battle, especially in the centre of town. On some main streets elsewhere in the city there is plenty of space to add mid-rises, but something taller is acceptable downtown IMO. The trick will be balancing it against all the existing low-rise townhouses and older homes.

thistleclub Oct 24, 2014 2:25 PM

Burlington feels development pressure
(Hamilton Spectator, Joan Little, Oct 23 2014)

Development in Burlington has been intensifying, but when does intensification become overintensification?

Today's game plan is for developers to apply for, say 20 storeys, so citizens feel they've won when the developer settles for 16, which was wanted all long.

Adi Developments is proposing a 28-storey condo, with 226 suites, on less than a third of an acre, on the small parking lot on the northwest corner of Lakeshore and Martha, on the fringe of downtown. To its west is a one-storey medical building, and to its north, a small home and new three-floor units. I live nearby.

One gentleman at the Oct. 9 neighbourhood meeting, attended by more than 100 people, asked what they really wanted. The answer was 28 storeys.

The site is so small it needs eight parking levels to provide 218 parking spaces — only 77 per cent of the required 283 tenant spaces. Parking standards downtown are the lowest in the city. By my calculation the proposed development would need about 393 spaces elsewhere, but wouldn't qualify anyway because the lot is too small.

Adi proposes five underground parking levels (a water table issue remains to be addressed), ground-floor retail, then three above-ground parking floors. Condos start on the fifth floor.

One astute observer noted that the depicted building appeared to encroach into the air space beyond their land, and asked if that was allowed. Planning director Bruce Kushelnicki stated that if that was the case, permission would be required. It would be addressed in the planning report.

He stressed that this was an information-gathering meeting. The planning department has not taken a position, and was there to hear concerns. The meeting was being held now because if a developer doesn't get an answer within 180 days (regardless of how complex the file is), it can take the city to the OMB, as Adi did on a recent application. Council will likely take its position in March.

Burlington's official plan (OP) allows a maximum of eight storeys through rezoning, providing "they are compatible with surrounding land use, and provide a sense of pedestrian scale." Mayor Rick Goldring told The Spectator he believes the OP is right in this area, and had said at the Ward 2 debate that he could not support that intensity there.

A 22-storey condo approved years ago south of the Lakeshore, not built yet, is to be the city's "landmark" building, Goldring said; so others should be subordinate. I was unable to find one higher than 17 storeys.


Read it in full here.

HillStreetBlues Oct 24, 2014 2:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thistleclub (Post 6781250)
A 22-storey condo approved years ago south of the Lakeshore, not built yet, is to be the city's "landmark" building, Goldring said; so others should be subordinate. I was unable to find one higher than 17 storeys.

That’s a crummy reason to institute a height limit: because you have chosen a building that doesn’t yet exist to be your “landmark” building. What if sales are bad and the developer lops off a few floors- would 18 storeys be the new height limit?

I’m usually not a fan of high-rise, but it sounds like Burlington would be getting something really good here. Parking requirements wind up meaning eight levels of parking, so how could a smaller building make economic sense for redevelopment?

ScreamingViking Oct 25, 2014 10:32 PM

This kind of fight is going to become more common downtown. The sites that don't affect or encroach on existing land uses are becoming rare... in fact now that the waterfront is spoken for, there are probably no land parcels and lots that don't have a major impact on neighbours.

thomax Jul 17, 2015 3:12 PM

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Beedok Jul 17, 2015 3:32 PM

I swear Burlington is trying to build a better skyline than Downtown.

thomax Aug 17, 2015 4:34 AM

http://i.imgur.com/oZibSMkl.jpg

nautiqueresidences.com



This thread needs a name change:

[Burlington] 374 Martha Street | ? | 28fl | Proposed ---> [Burlington] Nautique | ? | 28fl | Proposed

Dwils01 Aug 17, 2015 3:37 PM

I looks like a jumbled mess but hopefully the materials they use will make it look better when completed. I like a lot of the buildings in Burlington so I hope this one will have a positive impact on the area.

ScreamingViking Aug 20, 2015 3:34 AM

"Nautique"? Like a naughty boutique? :D Subliminal sales pitch to particular market maybe? :haha:
Otherwise, Davy Jones is rollin' his good eye on the sea bottom, shakin' his head at the nautical word play... :rolleyes:

I do want to see this built, but then I live in a mid-rise a few blocks away. And I can see how the locals in that immediate area (and some who live farther) don't like it.

thomax Sep 21, 2015 9:38 PM

http://i.imgur.com/AIDPpjz.jpg
Nautique Rendering by Adi Developments, on Twitter

Full Size:

ScreamingViking Oct 24, 2015 10:24 PM

Looks like a fight is about to ensue... I do agree with the developer's statements about downtown Burlington -- aside from the big festival weekends, it's pretty quiet most of the time despite some great restaurants and unique retail establishments.

What kind of downtown do we want in Burlington? THAT QUESTION has never really been explored.


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/59...condo-project/

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Burlington council has agreed and unanimously rejected a developer's applications for an official plan amendment and a rezoning.

But all of that hasn't stopped the Adi Development Group from advertising extensively, in the ward and elsewhere, that its 26-storey condo project, proposed for the corner of Martha Street and Lakeshore Road, is slated for occupancy in late 2018.

That may still happen. But only if the project — or a smaller variation of it — wins Ontario Municipal Board approval in hearings set for March 14.

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Tariq Adi said advertising still-to-be-approved projects is common in the development industry. He said the more than 4,000 citizens who have expressed interest in the project have been advised of its status. He would not say how many deposits the firm has taken.

"There are a lot of developers who go out there without their approvals, but they have a good feeling about whether what they are proposing is realistically approvable. What we're doing is nobody's risk but our own risk. We are not withholding anything from anybody.

"If we never achieve our approvals it is as simple as giving the money back (to those who put down deposits)," he added.

Adi is confident the more than $100-million Martha Street project will win OMB approval.

Adi said 21 businesses left downtown Burlington last year partly because there are not enough people living in the core.

"You have an aging population, there are snowbirds in Florida. They are not spending money. Come December to April, downtown Burlington is a ghost town.

drpgq Oct 27, 2015 9:32 PM

"Adi said 21 businesses left downtown Burlington last year partly because there are not enough people living in the core."

That certainly is interesting. Burlington seems to be in a weird spot now where there's no room to build new single family housing, but building upward is going to be fought tooth and nail by residents. Basically their population growth is close to done.

ScreamingViking Nov 15, 2015 5:17 AM

As of a few days ago the "Nautique" signs on the site have been removed. Not sure if that means anything more than the developer getting their knuckles rapped for doing too much to promote a project that has yet to be approved, but it will be interesting to see how this situation plays out.

thomax Feb 2, 2016 6:54 PM

- The building is already 75% sold out from a VIP registration event
- Sales open to the public this Saturday
- The building got a 2-floor height decrease from 28 to 26 floors (It's still Burlington's new tallest)

- urbantoronto.ca - Grand Opening Announced for Nautique Lakefront Residences



This thread needs a name update:

[Burlington] 374 Martha Street | ? | 28fl | Proposed ---> [Burlington] Nautique | ? | 26fl | Approved

ScreamingViking Feb 3, 2016 5:16 AM

Not approved yet. It's going to the OMB next month.
https://www.burlington.ca/en/service...tha-Street.asp

thomax Mar 4, 2016 5:21 AM

New renderings...

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thomax Mar 4, 2016 5:37 AM

Video Link

thistleclub Mar 12, 2016 2:49 AM

Burlington council to hold special meeting on Adi's Martha Street condo proposal
(Burlington Post, Michael Gregory, Mar 11 2016)

Burlington city council has scheduled a special meeting for Tuesday afternoon to discuss a “legal update” on a 26-storey condo development proposal for Martha Street.

An application related to the property is the subject of an Ontario Municipal Board (OMB) hearing between the city and Adi Development Group that begins Monday.

Both sides were unable to comment on the nature of the council meeting when contacted by the Post late Friday afternoon.

The hearing is scheduled to start at 10 a.m. at city hall in Room 247 and is open to the public.


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