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Syndic Jun 8, 2012 7:15 AM

Although, this image doesn't show what kind of streetscape or redevelopment might take place in the current Statesman lot.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/Image5-2.jpg

After demolition of the building, hopefully they would apply a street grid to the lot and build a bridge crossing Lady Bird Lake to Brazos. They can't connect it to San Jacinto because the Four Seasons Hotel is blocking it.

KevinFromTexas Jun 8, 2012 7:43 AM

Yeah, they'd have to either build the bridge at Brazos or Trinity. I don't know why I said San Jacinto. Brazos would be the more convenient route for pedestrians who otherwise would have walked across the Congress bridge. But having it at Trinity might be less unslightly since it would be farther from the Congress bridge. A pedestrian bridge near there could also have the use of allowing hotel guests from the Marriott and Fairmont hotels, and other convention center guests, venture across the river to explore a little.

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Originally Posted by Syndic
Although, this image doesn't show what kind of streetscape or redevelopment might take place in the current Statesman lot.

If you look at the PDF link, it shows what they might do at the Statesman site. One idea they had was to have a sort of terraced hill for outdoor events where people could sit maybe for festivals/music. That would be nearest to the water. Closer to the street there would likely be retail with other uses above. I have to wonder, though, would live music at that location disturb the bats? We really should consider preserving their roost. They do bring about a million visitors a year to Austin, and that's good for the economy. With that many people there already, the City should take advantage of that and do something there that brings those tourists to whatever development happens here and let them spend money. Besides, having another outdoor seating festival type area seems redundant since we already have Auditorium Shores.

cvillehorn Jun 8, 2012 9:36 PM

How about a bridge into Bierce St to connect soco and Rainey? That would seem to be a perfect match.

TGBinSD Jun 8, 2012 9:40 PM

that is an awesome, awesome idea! hope it comes to fruition!

KevinFromTexas Jun 8, 2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cvillehorn (Post 5727976)
How about a bridge into Bierce St to connect soco and Rainey? That would seem to be a perfect match.

Since the bridge would carry buses and lightrail it would need a fairly wide street. The streets in that area around Rainey Street are way too narrow for that. Rainey Street doesn't even have sidewalks, and there's only parallel street parking. Adding buses and lightrail to the mix would only make it worse.

And check it out, my 30,000th post!

SeanB Jun 9, 2012 2:18 AM

I like the concept (besides rigid height maximums) as well as the focus on walk scores. However, I question the need to put a median into the roads. Wider roads always hinder walkability; Michigan Ave is somewhat of a red herring and IMO it's width actually reduces walkability.

At least the parking minimums seem sane though I still wish they were lower...(this, more than anything, would drive walkability by driving actual walkers who would then create demand for sidewalk retail and food).

nixcity Jun 10, 2012 4:55 PM

^agreed, now tie it in to the east riversdie via things such as rail and make sure it has great connectivity to the river (which this original conceptual plan has) and we are talking about a huge bump to our central core.

Downtown_Austin Jun 11, 2012 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5727216)
Yeah, they'd have to either build the bridge at Brazos or Trinity. I don't know why I said San Jacinto. Brazos would be the more convenient route for pedestrians who otherwise would have walked across the Congress bridge. But having it at Trinity might be less unslightly since it would be farther from the Congress bridge. A pedestrian bridge near there could also have the use of allowing hotel guests from the Marriott and Fairmont hotels, and other convention center guests, venture across the river to explore a little.

If there's going to be another bridge it's likely going to be on Trinity Street, and most likely as part of urban rail. This would make the most sense in terms of coordinating South Shore development and mobility.

http://downtownaustinblog.org/wordpr...ity-street.jpg

austintilIdie Jun 12, 2012 3:14 PM

Wish we'd land a MLB team and raze the Statesman or Hyatt sites for a purty little stadium.

wwmiv Jun 12, 2012 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by austintilIdie (Post 5731300)
Wish we'd land a MLB team and raze the Statesman or Hyatt sites for a purty little stadium.

Wouldn't fit there. There are also much better spots for a major league stadium. Out on 7th near 183 where we can raze a bunch of that industrial land is a good place.

East7thStreet Jun 13, 2012 1:10 AM

Half the stadiums in MLB are built on a handful of downtown blocks. The Statesmen site would be excessive if anything.

I always thought the South Shore would be a great place for a baseball stadium. Auditorium Shores used to have a baseball stadium actually.

Another good spot would be to piece together a few blocks around 9th and Trinity. You would have good proximity to the 6th Street/Entertainment District and the all the parking around the Capitol.

wwmiv Jun 13, 2012 1:13 AM

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Originally Posted by East7thStreet (Post 5732092)
Half the stadiums in MLB are built on a handful of downtown blocks. The Statesmen site would be excessive if anything.

I always thought the South Shore would be a great place for a baseball stadium. Auditorium Shores used to have a baseball stadium actually.

Another good spot would be to piece together a few blocks around 9th and Trinity. You would have good proximity to the 6th Street/Entertainment District and the all the parking around the Capitol.

Admittedly, I was thinking more football stadium than baseball.

KevinFromTexas Jun 13, 2012 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wwmiv (Post 5731989)
Wouldn't fit there. There are also much better spots for a major league stadium. Out on 7th near 183 where we can raze a bunch of that industrial land is a good place.

Yeah, that's a decent spot. You could have good flow from 183 and even 130. I wouldn't want to imagine what the traffic would be like if there was a sports stadium at the Statesman site.

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Originally Posted by East7thStreet
I always thought the South Shore would be a great place for a baseball stadium. Auditorium Shores used to have a baseball stadium actually.

Yeah, the Austin Senators I believe. It wasn't exactly at Auditorium Shores. It occupied the land where Butler Park is now, formerly where the City Coliseum was.

BevoLJ Jun 13, 2012 6:54 AM

Wonder what Jeff Jack would have to say about a MLB stadium in 78704. Personally I am happy not having any pro-sports in Austin, but just to see him flip out would be worth it.

MichaelB Jun 13, 2012 3:29 PM

really.... really.... staduim chatter again?
No thank you. or rather.... Oh Hell no!
Just what we need is a big lump in the middle of downtown. That shit is built to save empty downtowns.
THe last time this came up the best suggestion was to build all that crap in San Marcos and draw from two metro areas....

UT is enough really.
Please go to more UT games.

kingkirbythe.... Jun 13, 2012 4:56 PM

If there was a stadium for a professional sports team in Austin, I'd say build it by the race track. It's a moot topic anyways. There won't be a pro sports team in Austin for a very long time. All major sports leagues in the US (except soccer) need some contraction. Especially baseball and hockey.

Jdawgboy Jun 13, 2012 5:43 PM

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Originally Posted by orderlychaos (Post 5732843)
If there was a stadium for a professional sports team in Austin, I'd say build it by the race track. It's a moot topic anyways. There won't be a pro sports team in Austin for a very long time. All major sports leagues in the US (except soccer) need some contraction. Especially baseball and hockey.

Funny you should mention that because there are rumors floating around about what might be built in the future by the track and a soccer stadium is one.

KevinFromTexas Oct 19, 2012 1:25 AM

http://www.statesman.com/news/busine...ject-at/nSg9j/
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Posted: 7:07 p.m. Thursday, Oct. 18, 2012
Council OKs zoning change for apartment project at RunTex site

Despite some opposition, city leaders Thursday gave the green light for a zoning change that will allow a developer to build a six-story apartment project near Lady Bird Lake, on a site that’s now home to a RunTex store.

Alliance Residential plans about 220 luxury apartments on the 1.53-acre site, just south of downtown. The company expects to break ground in the spring.

The project would include retail space, a public plaza and two levels of underground parking. Michael Whellan, attorney for Alliance Residential, said the retail space could accommodate RunTex or a similar store.

The developer plans a building that will be about 79 feet in height.

lzppjb Dec 19, 2012 2:38 PM

Do y'all think the city purchasing the Joe's Crab Shack site could have anything to do with this? That area isn't included in the drawing of the proposed redesigned streets, but it's only a block or so east of there.

LoneStarMike Dec 19, 2012 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lzppjb (Post 5943949)
Do y'all think the city purchasing the Joe's Crab Shack site could have anything to do with this? That area isn't included in the drawing of the proposed redesigned streets, but it's only a block or so east of there.

The city ended up not purchasing the site.

City of Austin deal to buy Joe's Crab Shack site is dead
By Shonda Novak
Austin - American Statesman
August 24, 2012


Joe's Crab Shack site back on market
By Shonda Novak
Austin American-Statesman
September 14, 2012


Re: Broadstone on the Lake (The apartment complex on the old RunTex site)

I inadvertently posted about this on the Austin update thread, but probably better to post in this one.

I found the site plans on the city's website here


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