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Scruffy Apr 12, 2007 11:41 PM

the honest reason why everything was so delayed was the classic "too many cooks in the kitchen" anology. everyone wanted a hand in this. Its a piece of history and you're immortalized if you are the person that got the world trade center rebuilt. You had Silverstein who owned the site trying to recoup a massive investment that he lost. You have a dirty politician out to make a bigger name for himself and use the sentimental value of the rebuilding towards a presidential nominee. You have a mayor (who i'm a fan of) but looked at the whole situation as a business deal which made him run into the biggest setback, the victim's families. They mean well, they feel cheated but endless lawsuits, protests, marches, press conferences, made everyone on edge. The politicians trying to make nice with the families ended up conceding to stupid things which would push the design process back. then you have the circus of the design competition. they end up choosing a design that was unbuildable. then the bring in a second architect and they design the infamous birdcage tower. the whole time i guess they never thought to talk to cops, feds, and fdny about safety tips. the cops shut down the design and we're pushed back again. Then came money issues. insurance companies who i have always thought were the scum of the earth. even before 9/11, before katrina, before hugo and andrew and CA forest fires. scum. they didn't want to pay up. but that got settled and now we have new and significantly better towers. we have a central core in progess. everything seems to finally be working. Honestly with so many people wanting a hand in this, i didn't even mention the PA or the feds, or the white house using this whole site as a sympathy button, Im amazed we are as far along as we are.

Dalton Apr 13, 2007 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ATLksuGUY (Post 2763194)
If they build it IMMEDIATELY as a replacement to the World Trade Center then it becomes a target again. The longer it takes and less attention for the WTC "re-development", the less these so called terrorists and others will consider it a replacement, and therefore less likely to consider it another target. I may be wrong but ive always had a suspicion that the delays were possibly for this reason. PLZ this is my opinion and its prob wrong but just an idea.

What's with the "so called terrorists"? Not to be nitpicky here, but there's a "so called" hole where the "so called" WTC once stood. Nearly 3000 "so called" innocent people were murdered. I think it was a "so called" atrocity committed by terrorists. Not "so called" terrorists.

CGII Apr 13, 2007 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLksuGUY (Post 2763194)
If they build it IMMEDIATELY as a replacement to the World Trade Center then it becomes a target again. The longer it takes and less attention for the WTC "re-development", the less these so called terrorists and others will consider it a replacement, and therefore less likely to consider it another target. I may be wrong but ive always had a suspicion that the delays were possibly for this reason. PLZ this is my opinion and its prob wrong but just an idea.

Well the later we demolish Sears Tower, the Pentagon, the White House, the Capitol, the ESB, and every other majour US landmark, the sooner they become 'targets.' :rolleyes:

GarCastle Apr 13, 2007 12:53 AM

It takes long since it is a complicated project. It is not built anywhere they feel like putting it or where it would fit best or where the tourists might light to take their photos (U.A.E.). It's in the middle of a packed city surrounded by water with underground transportation all over the place, gas mains, water mains, layers of sewer and drainage systems over a hundred years old. There are high expectations and countless critics lining up (some of which are obviously in this thread). There are high emotions. Millions of commuters that have to be considered when re-routing transit, even when just bringing in concrete trucks by the dozens.

"Dear New York, I know a lot has changed. 2 towers down but you're still in the game. Home of the many, rejecting no one, accepting peoples of all places, wherever they're from."
--if you need to google that one, well sorry heh, you have no right to talk...

I shopped many a time in Bleecker Bob's growing up. Great times.

Ghost Apr 13, 2007 4:13 AM

EarthCams HD IS BACK!!! Wohoo!
Ground Zero cams
http://images.earthcam.com/archives/...04/12/1914.jpg

STERNyc Apr 13, 2007 4:19 AM

I dunno. Looking at that picture I dont think where the footing is for the crane, is the whole core, it looks way too small. It so hard to figure things out when you're this early into construction.

DMAG Apr 13, 2007 11:55 AM

Looks like another section has been added to the crane

http://intrepidatious.dodgeintrepid....towercrane.jpg

Daquan13 Apr 13, 2007 12:38 PM

Yeah, it looks to be above street level now.

And according to a post someone recently wrote, more of those steel columns were supposed to have been added.

DMAG Apr 13, 2007 12:51 PM

I'm not getting the EarthCam HD webcam....I still see the morning pics from 9/11/2006 on it. (??)

Ghost Apr 13, 2007 2:01 PM

Yea, it's not there yet, but if you look at live cameras, there's 4 of them now. Second to left is HD, go to archive and enlarge picture and drag it to adress bar. That's the easiest way to do that.

And the crane is getting it's top portion installed :) I think it will be all up today!

DMAG Apr 13, 2007 4:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost (Post 2764664)
Yea, it's not there yet, but if you look at live cameras, there's 4 of them now. Second to left is HD, go to archive and enlarge picture and drag it to adress bar. That's the easiest way to do that.

And the crane is getting it's top portion installed :) I think it will be all up today!

We spoke too soon...its up on the regular HD page now.

Thanks!

-GR2NY- Apr 13, 2007 5:00 PM

*goes back in time to late 2001 and cue's jeapordy music, then notices that the music is still appropriate*

DUBAI2015 Apr 14, 2007 1:09 AM

Can somebody give me a link to the new webcam :)

Daquan13 Apr 14, 2007 1:35 AM

Lower Manhattan Development Corp should have it.

That's where I've been looking.

Dougall5505 Apr 14, 2007 2:18 AM

here it is: http://www.earthcam.net/users2/inter...2&clientid=158

Independence Apr 14, 2007 10:42 AM

The crane top is in position :D :cheers:

NYguy Apr 14, 2007 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scruffy (Post 2762534)
ladies and gentleman. I may be wrong. Its happened before. Am I looking at... the beginnings of the central core!!!!

3/11/07
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...8/DSC03910.jpg


How sweet it is. In honor of the crane, a look back at some earlier WTC construction. Photos taken from:
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...ans/index.html

(note the closeness of the Hudson)


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77134688/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77134715/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77134716/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77134694/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77134704/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77134712/original.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77134714/original.jpg

Daquan13 Apr 14, 2007 1:43 PM

Great pis, NYguy!

I NEVER got to see this in person. Almost as if they are being rebuilt today.

NYguy Apr 14, 2007 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Daquan13 (Post 2767220)
Great pis, NYguy!

I NEVER got to see this in person. Almost as if they are being rebuilt today.

I never saw it in person either, which is what makes what's happening today and in the coming years so special. We'll be witnessing an even larger WTC construction scene.

Ghost Apr 14, 2007 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 2767221)
I never saw it in person either, which is what makes what's happening today and in the coming years so special. We'll be witnessing an even larger WTC construction scene.

Well I gues I'm quite lucky then, I once visited WTC, and I also were on the top. It was in the 90's and I was 11 years old, so it was really exciting :haha:


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