Greatest City Rivalries? How do they start? Why do they continue?
NYC-Boston. NYC-Chicago. LA-SF. Miami-Tampa. Philly-Pittsburgh. Dallas-Houston. St.L-K.C. Memphis-Nashville. Toronto-Montreal. Seattle-Portland. OKC-Tulsa. Cleveland-Cincinatti. Berlin-Munich. Moscow-St. Petersburg. Rome-Milan. Madrid-Barcelona. Rio-Sao Paulo. Glasgow-Edinburgh. Cape Town-Johannasburg etc. etc. Have I left any out?
I believe many start because an upstart (like LA or Sao Paulo or K.C.) comes along and tries to take the crown from an older primary city (SF or Rio or St. Louis). The older city gets resentful. I think city rivalries are a good thing, and inspire the cities to improve to keep up with the rivals. Some are sports based. Boston-NYC comes to mind, since NYC is so much bigger (although Boston has arguably the better universities). This thread is NOT intended to be a "city-vs city" thing. I just want to understand the origin of rivalries. Economic? Sports related? Envy? |
Chicago vs st. Louis.
Oldest rivalry in MLB. Fuck the cardinals. Chicago vs. Green Bay Oldest rivalry in the NFL. Fuck the packers. |
boise idaho and bend oregon? maybe sometime in the future
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Unless we're playing The Penguins the city of Pittsburgh might as well be Ulan Bator to most Philadelphians.
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Seattle-Portland-Vancouver.
We're off by ourselves and act like siblings in many ways. Each is better than the others in various ways. |
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There's been a rivalry between Philly and NY in regards to football. Eagles vs Giants.
I believe it's one of the oldest rivalries too. AND they are always fighting in public. But its expected, as the Eagles cheat, AND, that the Giants are clearly a superior team. :tup: |
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humored antipathy towards chicago like the civic equivalent of mooning barbarians or whatever. and then we go stay in your hotels. i lived in kc for a couple of years and the rivalry is tilted towards kc looking at st. louis. in st. louis, talk of kc is really limited to the fact that its a nice city, and its almost entirely a positive reaction. theres not much of a rivalry looking west. now, maybe bring up cincinnati and you get furrowed brows and "hmmm." some old thing. i suppose in the future kc will jab st. louis enough with better population growth and economics and the rivalry will become real but for now we are still living in a different, older world in some ways than kc as we sit on an overgrown stoop squinting towards a distant east through the dust, heat and smoke of the mississippi valley. there is also the matter of st. louis basically having founded kansas city as its economic satellite...can ones child be a true rival? i suppose so. |
For sports I'd say the main nemesis from a Montreal POV would be the Bruins, not Leafs.
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Gonna miss seeing this twice a year. NY Daily News |
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--- Regarding the other comparisons like Vancouver and Portland, I doubt ancient history has much to do with it. More like a pissing contest by some, and a useful comparison for what their own city lacks for others. |
Are we talking sports rivals only? Boston is not a NYC rival except for Red Sox-Yankees (and maybe Jets-Pats a bit, but you can't have a real rivalry when one team sucks).
Boston, to New Yorkers, is a nice nearby city that people like visiting and sending their kids to university. New Yorkers very much like Boston. Chicago isn't a rival either. It isn't even a sports rival. It's considered a big, important American city, but not a specific rival. |
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Remember the 2000 World Series between the Mets and Yankees. Good times! There's big rivalries in NY between teams. Call it borough rivalries. In Hockey, the Devils vs the Rangers (NJ vs NY). I'm for the Rangers, and those Devil's fans sure are rowdy. Always peeing on the NJ Transit trains. Leaving vomit in the bathroom stalls after a game. |
Cities can be rivals even if one is larger and/or more globally important than the other. Not only in sports but in things like cuisine, pizza, who has the hottest women, who has the best nightlife, better cityscape, happier people, which is more beautiful, etc etc.
The Chicago-NY rivalry lives in, for example because even though NY is clearly the more important city, some things that Chicago has going well for it can't help but rile up the "Rah rah rah we're #1!" crowd among New Yorkers. Same would go with countless other city rivalries |
Kapuskasing and Kuala Lumpur. Been at each others' necks for decades.
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