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photoLith Jan 23, 2012 3:28 AM

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I saw them building another building next to the bbva and asked a construction worker what it was and it's just a parking garage for an apartment building.

And I don't know the name to that apartment building next to the Walgreens but one of the construction workers said it was going to be 6 stories tall but then he said it will be on top of a parking garage. So I'm not sure if he meant there will be a few floors of parking and then 6 floors of apartments or what. So I surmise it will either be 6 stories or 9.

YakuzaIce Jan 23, 2012 3:50 AM

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Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5560175)
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I saw them building another building next to the bbva and asked a construction worker what it was and it's just a parking garage for an apartment building.

And I don't know the name to that apartment building next to the Walgreens but one of the construction workers said it was going to be 6 stories tall but then he said it will be on top of a parking garage. So I'm not sure if he meant there will be a few floors of parking and then 6 floors of apartments or what. So I surmise it will either be 6 stories or 9.

He might have meant the parking garage component would be 6 stories. The whole building will be 22 stories (although it seems to be 23 if you count from the back half). Here's a link to the post on HAIF with the renderings.
http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/h...ost__p__391884

Kind of hard to tell how it will turn out. I think it might look decent if they use high quality materials. Guess we can call it 5250 Brownway for now. Also it looks like there will be 300 units.

photoLith Jan 23, 2012 5:51 AM

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Oh wow, thats great news.

Reverberation Jan 23, 2012 4:33 PM

This is going in behind the Carrabba's on Kirby:
http://http://www.houstonarchitectur...9358_thumb.jpg
from http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/h...9358_thumb.jpg

JoninATX Jan 24, 2012 6:54 PM

Houston Airport System breaks ground on new IAH terminal

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Date: Monday, January 23, 2012

The Houston Airport System , United Airlines and Houston Mayor Annise Parker held a groundbreaking ceremony for a $160 million redevelopment project at George Bush International Airport on Monday.

Phase one of the three-phase project will create a new Terminal B, south concourse. It will replace the existing south-side flight stations with a new 225,000-square-foot facility to accommodate United Airlines’ regional aircraft operations.
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/n...ks-ground.html

JoninATX Jan 24, 2012 8:15 PM

NBC Sports seeks incentives to put studio downtown

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Nancy Sarnoff, Houston Chronicle
Updated 11:40 p.m. Friday, January 20, 2012

The NBC Sports Group is seeking about $2 million in state and local support to bring a major production studio and 135 jobs to downtown Houston.

The operation would be for Comcast SportsNet Houston, a new regional television network that will broadcast Rockets games beginning this fall and Astros games beginning in 2013.

The media company has identified 40,000 square feet of space in the Houston Pavilions for the operation, which would include two production studios, two control rooms and other broadcast-related facilities, according to a document obtained by the Chronicle. Some $16 million would be spent on equipment, furniture and other
http://www.chron.com/business/articl...wn-2653814.php

photoLith Jan 25, 2012 5:21 AM

When I was down in Galveston this weekend, a long time abandoned 1920s hotel I found out is being converted into apartments or mixed income stuff. I saw workers rewiring the interior on Saturday. Its been abandoned for at least 20 years, probably longer than that.

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/c...rland/g101.jpg

I took this photo of it last August. I snuck into it Saturday night as they had forgot to lock the gate and the interior was completely gutted, nothing left at all. Im very glad they are not tearing this building down though and anything that helps out downtown Galveston is amazing, as it needs it. I heard rumors that part of the building will be used for mixed income housing, so I hope it doesnt bring some ghetto trash into downtown though, as that would for sure not help the situation out at all. Most of the public housing in Galveston was torn down after the hurricane and hasnt been rebuilt anywhere since. So, theres a massive need for public housing but the place for it is not downtown.

JACKinBeantown Jan 25, 2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5563132)
I heard rumors that part of the building will be used for mixed income housing, so I hope it doesnt bring some ghetto trash into downtown though, as that would for sure not help the situation out at all... So, theres a massive need for public housing but the place for it is not downtown.

Lovely.

photoLith Jan 25, 2012 11:52 PM

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I know that doesnt sound nice, but lets face facts. Public housing and low income housing lowers property values all around it. Downtown Galveston needs all the help it can get, and this does not come in the form of lowering property values and making the place an undesirable place to live. Anyone knows that areas around public housing do not do well. It may not be pc to say, but oh well. There are plenty plenty plenty of other areas on the island to build public housing. Yes, people with low to no income need places to live, but as I said before, the already struggling market of downtown Galveston is not the place for it.

Cory Jan 26, 2012 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5564134)
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I know that doesnt sound nice, but lets face facts. Public housing and low income housing lowers property values all around it. Downtown Galveston needs all the help it can get, and this does not come in the form of lowering property values and making the place an undesirable place to live. Anyone knows that areas around public housing do not do well. It may not be pc to say, but oh well. There are plenty plenty plenty of other areas on the island to build public housing. Yes, people with low to no income need places to live, but as I said before, the already struggling market of downtown Galveston is not the place for it.

Yes because ghettoes of exclusively low income public housing has been so effective in the past.

JManc Jan 26, 2012 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by photoLith (Post 5564134)
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I know that doesnt sound nice, but lets face facts. Public housing and low income housing lowers property values all around it. Downtown Galveston needs all the help it can get, and this does not come in the form of lowering property values and making the place an undesirable place to live. Anyone knows that areas around public housing do not do well. It may not be pc to say, but oh well. There are plenty plenty plenty of other areas on the island to build public housing. Yes, people with low to no income need places to live, but as I said before, the already struggling market of downtown Galveston is not the place for it.

If they're selective about who they let in, it should be ok. There are plenty of people on fixed/ low incomes who don't live like animals to assume low income housing will always adversely effect an area. They just need to filter out the trash and ensure the residents they do let in adhere to set of minimum set standards.

J_M_Tungsten Jan 26, 2012 11:49 PM

Can anyone name one successful public housing project? Anywhere? I can't think of any.

mhays Jan 27, 2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 5559804)
Would anyone be able to answer a few questions about development in Houston?

1. What is the average per-square-foot construction cost for high-rise office building in the CBD? Steel vs concrete?

2. What is the average per-square-foot construction cost for a high-rise residential building in the CBD? High-rise vs mid-rise?

3. What is the average per-square-foot construction cost for an above-ground multi-storey parking structure.

Thank you very much for the assistance. I am competing in an urban design competition and our subject site is in Houston's downtown area.

I'm not in Houston and can't help you. But a word of caution. You're almost guaranteed to get apples-to-organges comparisons. Even though you're specifying construction cost only (not soft costs, land, etc.), there are huge variables in what's reported, based on:

--Published figures being rounded up or down depending on the owner's preference. Sometimes the number is massively off.

--Taxes included or not (in my city, construction pays 9.5 sales tax).

--Buildouts included or not. An office building might be 2/3 of the final built-out space cost.

--Wide variations in finish levels.

--A large cost range depending not just on steel vs. concrete, but the many variations of each. (Which relate to not just cost, but also factors from floor thickness to availability of materials to speed of construction to vibration control, the latter being a key to labs for example)

--Whether parking is included, and how much. Big variable if an equivalent-sounding office building has 500 spaces or 1,000.

--Confusion between net rentable space and gross square footage. Even net rentable can be defined differently...for example if one tenant occupies the whole building, even the corridors might be in their rented space.

--Any other costs associated with the building. Houston seems to have a lot of grassy fringes and driveways associated with new buildings, which will normally be reported as part of the building cost.

--Soil conditions and related types of footings, shoring, etc.

That's a partial list. Speaking as a PR guy for a contractor.

CTroyMathis Jan 27, 2012 2:41 AM

SFUVancouver, are you doing Hines' Urban Land Institute/Student Urban Design Houston 2012 gig (@Downtown Post Office siting)? If so, best wishes!

Cory Jan 27, 2012 3:59 AM

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Originally Posted by J_M_Tungsten (Post 5565615)
Can anyone name one successful public housing project? Anywhere? I can't think of any.

If you're talking about my comment I was being sarcastic with photoLith's usual rigid reactionary statements. Public housing or projects are a failure. The role models are non-existent and there is little motivation to not continue the cycle of poverty because most lifestyles around do not liberate individuals from their circumstances. With mixed income housing atleast individuals have an opportunity to find themselves by not hanging around the same bums.

weatherguru18 Jan 27, 2012 5:49 PM

http://assets.bizjournals.com/housto...a-Exterior.jpg

Ta da! I give you the 23-story Astoria! I wouldn't get too excited yet. The land this is to be built on isn't even purchased yet and is in the middle of the BLVD Place development.

TexasBoi Jan 27, 2012 8:23 PM

Another condo tower proposed for Uptown but yet none for downtown.:(

JManc Jan 27, 2012 8:52 PM

where did you find info on that condo tower? link? doesnt even fit in withe design of BLVD place at all.

JoninATX Jan 27, 2012 9:24 PM

I found this while searching google maps.

http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/...acy/wilson.jpg
http://blog.chron.com/primeproperty/...town-building/

Does anyone know if this project started?

JoninATX Jan 27, 2012 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 5566909)
where did you find info on that condo tower? link? doesnt even fit in withe design of BLVD place at all.


http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/p...rising-on.html


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