Does Western Alienation exist, and how can we fix it?
It is a simple question, but not easily answered.
If for a moment we move past pipelines, and just talk about the Federal government presence in Western Canada, do we see the same as place like Ontario and Quebec, and even the Maritimes? To answer this we need to look at some interesting examples. Transportation Highways: We learned in 2016 that a failure of a single bridge cuts off everyone west of Thunder Bay from the east. This alone shows that ensuring the goods from all provinces have a safe way across our land is not a priority. Just imagine if that bridge collapsed and was unsafe to cross for a year. By 2025 you can drive on a divided highway from Ottawa to Toronto, Quebec City, Fredericton and Halifax. The missing link; the A-85 is a small part that needs to be done. You can drive Between Edmonton, Regina and Winnipeg on divided highways. Victoria? Nope. Even Victoria to Vancouver, ignoring the ferry crossing in some parts are still 2 lane highways. Vancouver east? Much of that is also 2 lanes. Air travel: Can you fly from all capitals to our Nation's Capital on a direct flight? No. Victoria is not served. Regina and the Territory capitals are seasonal, along with St John's Of course, there are connecting flights, but when it comes to nation building, going from a capital to another capital is important. Fun fact, you can get to all provincial capitals from Toronto.... But not to the territories. Train Via Rail is a Federal government agency. Our tax dollars do go to it. So, lets have some fun... Today, could you hop a train from the capital of your province to Ottawa? Well, if you live in Ontario or Quebec, absolutely. NS and NB, weellll, not Fredericton. There are not even tracks there. Halifax is good, but not every day. Going west Winnipeg and Edmonton are the only western provinces that have anything, but it is 2-3 times a week. The one in Victoria is shut down. Regina doesn't have any passenger service, even though, they do have a major railway going through that. Government offices Correct me if I am wrong, but most of the government offices for things, like Taxation and VAC and others are located somewhere in Ontario and Quebec. Military Halifax's navy has more ships than Victoria. There are more Army Bases in Eastern Canada than Western Canada. The Administration for the Air Force is in Ontario. I am from Ontario, lived in Nova Scotia and British Columbia, and am back in Ontario. Till I left, I never understood what they meant. Now that I am back, I understand it. Building a pipeline really won't change things. We need to start building our nation before it splinters beyond repair. |
Growing up in the west you don't think of it but now as a voter you realize the elections are decided in Quebec and Ontario so there is a sense that it doesn't matter how you vote cause it seems pointless by the time they start counting on the west coast its pretty much a given what the results are.
BC is too rugged for freeways so it's not an issue for me or most BC'ers that I know. Alberta being flatter has a much better connected network of highways than BC does. |
It's a thing sentiment-wise but aiming for parity in a bunch of arbitrary areas seems counterproductive. For example VIA is semi-useful around Southern Ontario and Quebec but is inherently much harder to develop to a useful level in Western Canada. The disparity in naval deployments isn't because of anti-Western bias, it's because Halifax is in a more strategic location than Victoria is.
At a very abstract level I think we are too timid with nation building projects. We should have a better transportation network, and maybe pipelines and a national grid too. But we shouldn't get caught up thinking that the only fair country is one where every region is treated the same when they all have different needs and realities. |
Please change the thread title to “Does Prairie Alienation exist... “.
The real West isn’t full of self-pitying whiners. |
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The SNC Lavalin affair is a good example of an event that undermined trust in Canada a little. The Liberal party is cozy with certain companies largely based in Central Canada and JT was looking out for his buddies and their patronage positions. I suspect this style of politics is a bigger contributor to alienation than VIA, etc. On the other end you sometimes hear of politicians who want to end the cycle of corruption. Justin Trudeau claimed to do this with senate appointments and the Conservatives claimed to have done it with naval procurement. |
Well of course it exists, but only education, understanding, and proportional representation will fix it.
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Vancouver has VIA.
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This "Wexit" bullshit only just started. Western Alienation has been a thing in the political and economic context for decades, in all provinces of the west. Just because Winnipeg voted in a few liberals doesn't make Manitoba somehow superior, nor does the Lower Mainland only voting in 7 conservatives out of their 21 districts. Every province in the west saw the conservatives win the popular vote. Alberta may have a bunch of whiney cunts, but stop being a bitch about something that we all know has been a phenomenon for most of the country's history.
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This latest blow up will eventually recede but if you follow twitter the rage seems to be real and gets added fuel by the unhelpful comments coming from eastern columnists. |
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A fair and balanced distribution of national wealth is all that is needed. This is related to party politics focus of maintaining power than doing what's best for the nation. Bilingualism sets the stage of government employment. It shouldn't be a prerequisite for government employment as it favour parts of the nation over others which forms government choices and decisions. Canadians have to stop being ignorant assholes. The oil sands/ resource extraction runs our nation (aside from the banana republic real estate market) and, recycling isn't green. Reduce and reuse is. |
I say we just ignore it
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Ontario could ignore it, although some feeble to middling attempts at "goodwill" seem more likely, because, well, Ontario. The question for Ontario could become one of whether it's worth trying to fix anything or to accept being on its own (in whatever new arrangements would follow). I don't find that prospect to be particularly scary. :shrug:
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It is a major employer in the city, but unfortunately is a self extinguishing government department. VAC will be little more than a shell in 10 years time. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcXJrVPVQAA8OtI.jpg |
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Alienation is part of the Canadian mantra, and has existed for as long as the country existed.
1) - Joe Howe wanted to take Nova Scotia out of Confederation from day one. 2) - John A. MacDonald's National Policy in the 1870s destroyed the Maritimes economy and led to eastern alienation. 3) - Newfoundland's support for confederation in 1949 was so lukewarm, they had to have a referendum question with three possible choices in order to ensure that the confederation option would win. 4) - Vive le Quebec libre!!! 5) - Northern Ontario definitely feels ignored by the south 6) - Red River Rebellion 7) - Batoche. 8) - National Energy Policy. Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark!!! 9) - Current pipeline debate 10) - Ongoing aboriginal tensions, MMIWG, cultural genocide. Basically, unless you are a certified member of the Laurentian Elite living in the Montreal/Ottawa axis or in the City of Toronto, you feel alienated by this country. JT is a certified member of the Laurentian Elite. Canada was created for him and in his own image. He just doesn't get it. As far as he is concerned, Canada is perfect. Nobody in the country has any reason to complain. Right??? JT is temperamentally so ill suited to deal with the alienation problems in Canada he should probably resign right now........... |
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For starters bilingualism is not usually a prerequisite and free on-the-job paid training is provided to non-bilingual candidates the feds want to hire. In any event, if the bilingualism rules are to be dumbed down then it would require a significant re-tooling of how the federal public service works. Either certain services and administrative work would be downloaded to Quebec when the stuff needs to happen in French, or these services remain in the federal public service fold but English only and French only work units are created. As was suggested by the Laurendeau-Dunton Commission in the 1960s but was ruled out by the Liberals of the day who preferred to current system we have. In any event personally I don't think we will be going back to the old days when francophones who worked in the public service had to park their language at door - at least not any more than they already have to today even with official bilingualism in the workplace. Though YMMV with that. Also it's interesting that we're living in an era of great openness to accommodation (and I'd argue even an extreme openness to it in the ROC) but this is one specific area that is arguably accommodation as well but where there is persistent talk of scaling things back. |
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Not implementing the Laurendeau-Dunton idea was a big mistake. It would have ultimately worked better for both linguistic communities. You could have an abundance of actual French-language working environments while at the same time putting to bed the constant grievance of anglophones who feel bilingual job requirements are unfair. |
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There will always be a need for bilingual employees in the federal civil service for it to remain functional, but I think it would be beneficial for both linguistic communities to have "safe spaces" where they can feel comfortable. A quadrilingual country like Switzerland can offer us a lesson in terms of remaining unified, but in a manner in which each linguistic group can feel secure and safe. We should emulate the Swiss example. |
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