EMU and DMU candidates for Denver
If you haven't seen these, here are the manufacturers presentations to SMART for DMU's and DMU/EMU hybrids. With the demise of Colorado Railcar many have wondered what future FRA compliant DMU's might look like.........here's a glance at what might be in our future (provided we can figure out how to fund it)!
Erik Ansaldo Breda Presentation Bombardier Presentation Nippon Sharyo Presentation Stadler Presentation Siemens Presentation http://9ja7jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...mens%20DMU.jpg |
Apparently there will be some funding from the federal government? Obama announced that he plans 10 major High Speed rail services to select areas or Cities in the U.S. With everything Denver has in place as far as fast tracks is concerned, I believe that Denver will be one of the select locations for the funding. But we will see I guess, nothing was announced as far as who and where the HSR Services will be.
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^nope...same old map that doesnt include the front range
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It would have definitely been nice to keep the DMU purchases local even it that meant an aesthetically inferior product, but I have to say, some of those proposals are fantastic (aesthetically).
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oh yeha...that semens train is really a beauty!
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God, that Siemens train is fugly. Bombardier TALENT ftw
http://hampage.hu/trams/tramwaytag2005/06110162.jpg http://www.bombardier.com/files/en/s..._AustriaHR.JPG |
^seconded. Would be nice to see the interior though.
Also I read on another forum about trains that AnsaldoBreda has issues. |
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Rated Power, P Year PM NOx P < 19 kW (25 hp) 2008 0.40 (0.30) - 19 ≤ P < 56 kW (75 hp) 2013 0.03 (0.022) 4.7* (3.5) 56 ≤ P < 130 kW (175 hp) 2012-2014 0.02 (0.015) 0.40 (0.30) 130 ≤ P < 560 kW (750 hp) 2011-2014 0.02 (0.015) 0.40 (0.30) P ≥ 560 kW (750 hp) 2011-2014 0.02 (0.015) 0.40 (0.30) * NOx + NMHC Note: I bolded the text of the power ranges used by most DMUs The Tier 4 proposal in only partially harmonized with European regulations. The new EPA transient test cycle is identical to that introduced with the EU Stage III nonroad standards proposal January 2003. The PM standards, however, are different, with the EU Stage IIIB of 0.025 g/kWh compared to the Tier 4 of 0.02 g/kWh. The EU has not yet proposed aftertreatment-forcing standards for NOx. Again, another presentation from SMART http://www.sonomamarintrain.org/user...%20rev%202.pdf Alstom Citadis Alternate Compliance Dual Mode Power Diesel and 750Vdc Street car type Upgrade to Tier 4 possible Alstom LINT Alternate Compliance Diesel hydraulic Interurban Upgrade to Tier 4 unlikely Bombardier Talent Alternate Compliance Diesel hydraulic or diesel electric Interurban Will not be upgraded to Tier 4. A new version (Talent 2) will be Tier 4 in the future. Bombardier AGC Alternate Compliance Diesel electric Interurban Position of Bombardier regarding upgrade to Tier 4 is not known. Bombardier AGC Hybrid Alternate Compliance Dual mode (hybrid) Diesel and 25 kV or 1500 Vdc Position of Bombardier regarding upgrade to Tier 4 is not known. Bombardier M7 FRA Compliance Diesel electric Exists only as EMU. Bombardier could possibly convert this to a DMU from this design. A 14 vehicle order might be too small for Bombardier to develop a DMU version of the M7. Breda IC4 Alternate Compliance Diesel mechanic Interurban Position of Breda regarding Tier 4 is not known. CAF FRA or Alternate Compliance Diesel electric Interurban CAF can propose an alternatecompliant or an FRA‐complaint DMU. The FRA‐compliant DMU will be derived from a European design. Position of CAF regarding Tier 4 is not known. Siemens Desiro Alternate Compliance Diesel hydraulic Interurban Siemens does not plan to upgrade this vehicle to Tier 4 compliance. The next generation “Desiro ML” has not been ordered as a DMU yet. Siemens DMU Study FRA Compliance Diesel electric Interurban Siemens seems very interested in building this vehicle, possibly even for a small order such as for SMART. Would meet Tier 4. Hyundai Rotem TTA DMU FRA Compliance Diesel hydraulic Hyundai Rotem did proceed with an FRA‐compliant DMU design for TTA. It can be assumed that Hyundai Rotem might be interested in providing this vehicle to SMART. Engines would have to be upgraded to Tier 4. Nippon Sharyo FRA Compliance Diesel hydraulic Nippon Sharyo is likely to bid an FRA‐compliant DMU. Would meet Tier 4 Stadler GTW2/6 Alternate Compliance Diesel electric Interurban The only alternate compliant DMU which most likely will comply with EPA Tier 4 emissions. |
As explained to me by several Fastracks officials representing each commuter rail corridor, RTD's current objective is to find a rail car manufacturer that could custom design a DMU based off the platform configurations of the selected EMU technology for the East Corridor and Gold Line. The purpose would be to (1) allow a standard loading platform for joint EMU/DMU stations (41st/Fox, Union Station) and (2) afford the possibility of substituting EMU cars with DMUs in the event of a grid failure.
The more I speak with the RTD project teams, the more I am convinced we are going to get EMUs similar to the Arrow IIIs being used by New Jersey Tranist. Right now NJT runs both electrified commuter rail trains and locomotive-hauled commuter rail coaches on the same track which almost always share the same loading platforms. E |
I like this one the most:
http://9ja7jw.bay.livefilestore.com/...mens%20DMU.jpg As for the Arrow III, I hope not! Those are obsolete. However, the Arrow VI DDMU has the ability run run seamlessly between electrified and non-electrified segments of rail. It is probably closest to being FRA-compliant. |
Where can one find FRA- regulations?
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How are RTD's preferred rail car configuration actually available by request> Sure, any number of EMU's are available upon request. However, RTD also is planning the North Metro and NW lines to be DMU and there are not any FRA-compliant DMU's available upon request. I don't understand what you are saying here?
Arrow VI's are a long way off? the NJ Transit is moving forward with the plan to upgrade to these trains. How far away could they be? |
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