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Austinlee Jan 12, 2012 8:46 PM

nice pic tbone! that looks better than the other one I think.

themaguffin Jan 12, 2012 9:46 PM

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If the soccer team owns the land and wants to build a soccer stadium with their money, then that seems reason enough to me.
Let's apply that elsewhere...

"If the city and casino want to build a giant ugly ass parking lot on the N Shore without any attempt to make it less ugly, well that's there call and because it's their call... well it's reason enough for me."

Gilamonster Jan 12, 2012 10:34 PM

TBone thanks for the pic. I'm a sucker for construction pics in general. Hopefully you can keep up this pace for the duration of the project :) I don't think this project justifies a thread in the highrise section but maybe we could get away with it in the general developments thread.

mattejb Jan 13, 2012 1:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Evergrey (Post 5547589)
The ubiquitous Pittsburgh overhead utilities were removed from perfesser's photo.

Just a different angle with nicer lighting.

glowrock Jan 13, 2012 2:04 AM

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Originally Posted by themaguffin (Post 5547701)
Let's apply that elsewhere...

"If the city and casino want to build a giant ugly ass parking lot on the N Shore without any attempt to make it less ugly, well that's there call and because it's their call... well it's reason enough for me."

Again, while I don't necessarily disagree that the casino parking garage should have somehow been made a bit more attractive, I think it's a mistake to claim that it hasn't done anything for the North Shore. Thousands (probably tens of thousands) of people per day go to Rivers Casino, and the amount of revenue that place brings in is absolutely enormous. It's got pretty decent access to the riverfront trail system, it's a stone's throw from Heinz Field, and it adds quite nicely to the overall entertainment venue aspect of the entire area.

Not to mention, the place employees in the range of several thousand people, nothing to sneeze at!

Aaron (Glowrock)

PGHFan Jan 13, 2012 5:38 AM

"If the city and casino want to build a giant ugly ass parking lot on the N Shore without any attempt to make it less ugly, well that's there call and because it's their call... well it's reason enough for me."

There were many reviews of the casino design and its parking garage. Next time something is up for review be sure you voice your opinion to decisionmakers.

My guess is that most projects only get zoning related reviews-not esthetic reviews.

themaguffin Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM

Many people voiced their views. But again, I was applying the logic used for the soccer field to the casino.

Evergrey Jan 13, 2012 5:48 PM

http://postgazette.com/pg/12013/1203305-100.stm

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Cranberry developer Chaska partners for Moon office park

Friday, January 13, 2012
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Continental Real Estates Cos. is teaming with a Cranberry developer to build on 40 acres near Pittsburgh International Airport.

The Allegheny County Airport Authority approved an agreement this morning between Chaska Properties and Columbus-based Continental to develop the land adjacent to the Cherrington business park in Moon.

Continental and Chaska plan to build five to eight office buildings at the site.

They have up to 12 months to start the first building. After that, they are required to develop another one every 18 months or risk having the development agreement terminated.

Randy Forister, the authority's development director, said the project will be similar to Chaska's Cranberry business park -- mostly single-story, high-end, well-appointed class A office buildings.

"That's the same kind of product they're looking to do here," he said.

Each of the buildings will be about 50,000 square feet in size.

The authority will receive rent of 18 cents to 40 cents a square foot for the land that is developed.

Mark Belko: mbelko@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1262.

Read more: http://postgazette.com/pg/12013/1203...#ixzz1jMUGcDAW

Wiz Khalifa Jan 13, 2012 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Evergrey (Post 5548763)

One story office buildings... really? :yuck:

BrianTH Jan 13, 2012 9:03 PM

I guess for me taking the Riverhounds parcel from a surface parking lot to any sort of eye-pleasing and cool use--and it will be a regional amenity, even if it obviously isn't the most important regional amenity around the Point--is worth the risk that far down the road, we will have run out of prime riverfront space and may have to make a decision about whether or not to redevelop that parcel for a higher-intensity use.

I might feel differently if they were pulling down a nice historic building, or sinking a lot more costs into the structure (which would make it harder to write off the sunk costs in 15-20 years). But they aren't, so I view this as a clear positive.

And although I don't think we need to give land owners carte blanche, I do think it is nice this is apparently all private money we are talking about.

Edit: Oh, and of COURSE it is a great place for a stadium from their perspective. They are the frickin' Riverhounds after all, and they now get to claim they are in a sports cluster with NFL and MLB stadiums, plus an NHL arena, and they get an amazing view, and they are right next to Station Square, which means they are right next to all sorts of established retail and entertainment, a hotel, and even a T stop . . . I totally understand the notion that stadiums are not necessarily the best use of prime urban land, but I don't think you can reverse that logic and say this is not a special location from the Riverhounds' perspective.

markson33 Jan 14, 2012 2:31 AM

I don't see anything wrong with the Riverhound's building their stadium there. Its a better use than what has been there for the last fifty years.

The reality is there is a lot of riverfront land available and no demand to build on it (see North Shore, Station Square, Lawrenceville, Hazelwood...). If it made sense for Forest City to build on that site they already would have. Lets just hope that they move forward with the other end of Station Square. The mid-rise residential proposal looked pretty good.

Jonboy1983 Jan 14, 2012 2:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiz Khalifa (Post 5548984)
One story office buildings... really? :yuck:

That is my take as well. One story office buildings containing class A office space? What do they expect to accomplish with single story buildings? Two to three-story buildings would be just fine here IMO. I really don't get why this whole region consistantly builds far less than what demand calls for. They call the greater Pittsburgh region as a high risk development market. Since when is Pittsburgh more like Las Vegas or Miami?

I have a new take on the Riverhounds stadium. Suppose they were to enclose it at some point with a glass wall facing the river and a green roof offering a rooftop park? I suppose there could still be room to have at least one or two other buildings there either for residential or office use...

Jonboy1983 Jan 14, 2012 5:40 PM

This from today's Post-Gazette website:

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Office park planned for site near Pittsburgh International Aiport
Saturday, January 14, 2012
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


A 40-acre plot of land near Pittsburgh International Airport could be the site of the next big office park under a plan being advanced by two developers.

Columbus, Ohio-based Continental Real Estate Cos. is teaming with Chaska Property Advisors of Cranberry to erect five to eight office buildings adjacent to the Cherrington business park in Moon.

Allegheny County Airport Authority board members approved an agreement Friday with Continental and Chaska for the development of the land. The real estate is owned by the county and controlled by the authority.

The authority will lease the land to the joint venture for 18 cents to 40 cents a square foot.

Richard Donley, Chaska president, estimated the total cost of the development at $50 million or more.

The Continental-Chaska partnership hopes to break ground on the first building, which will be at least 50,000 square feet in size, in the second or third quarter of this year.

Under its agreement with the authority, the team has up to 12 months to start the first building. After that, it is required to develop another building every 18 months or risk having the development agreement terminated.

Mr. Donley said the Pittsburgh International Business Park, as the development is being called, will be similar to the Cranberry Business Park, where Chaska has developed six buildings on speculation since 2002.

All but 30,000 square feet of those buildings has been leased.

In the Pittsburgh International office park, all of the buildings will be high-end, class A office space, likely one to three stories and made of brick and glass with "very classy styling."

"Essentially it's a brick building with 12-foot by 6-foot windows, so there is a lot of natural light," Mr. Donley said.

Continental Building Systems, the construction arm of Continental Real Estate, erected the buildings in Cranberry and will replicate that role at Cherrington.

Nonetheless, Continental Real Estate will be the partner in the venture with Chaska. Continental is no stranger to Pittsburgh, counting among its developments the Waterfront in Homestead and the North Shore between Heinz Field and PNC Park.

Mr. Donley said the developers were attracted to the Moon site because of the proximity to the airport and hotels and other offices, easy access to highways and the growth in the corridor.

Like the six buildings in Cranberry, the first in the airport park will be built on speculation. Mr. Donley said he does not yet have a tenant for the first structure.

"Dick Donley has done spec pretty much his entire career, and he's not afraid of it," said Randy Forister, the airport authority's senior director of development.

Mr. Donley said most of the buildings will be in the 50,000-square-foot range. If they follow the pattern in Cranberry, about 80 percent to 85 percent of the space will be used for offices, with smaller percentages for research or storage.

"The product is extremely attractive for people with a predominant need for office space," he said.

He added that he did not think the timetable for full development was overly ambitious, with buildings to be started every 18 months. He noted that he developed 350,000 square feet in six or seven buildings in Cranberry in 10 years.

"So we think it can be done. That's what we're betting on," he said.

The Continental-Chaska joint venture marks the second attempt to develop the real estate near the airport. Several years ago, DiCicco Development proposed a mix of tech, flex, medical and professional office space on the same land, but the development never panned out.

Mark Belko: mbelko@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1262.
The article mentioned one-to-three story buildings. IMO, that's more like it. Plus, it referenced that these buildings will have "stylish" architectural design. I'd like to see some renderings of what they want to build...

markson33 Jan 14, 2012 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonboy1983 (Post 5550089)
This from today's Post-Gazette website:



The article mentioned one-to-three story buildings. IMO, that's more like it. Plus, it referenced that these buildings will have "stylish" architectural design. I'd like to see some renderings of what they want to build...

Most of them are probably going to be one story "flex" type buildings. Chaska has had a lot of success with those in Cranberry. It is easier to lease a building that can serve as either office or warehouse/R&D. There isn't enough demand for standard office space on the Parkway West.

Jonboy1983 Jan 14, 2012 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by markson33 (Post 5550427)
Most of them are probably going to be one story "flex" type buildings. Chaska has had a lot of success with those in Cranberry. It is easier to lease a building that can serve as either office or warehouse/R&D. There isn't enough demand for standard office space on the Parkway West.

Fair point; there's not enough demand along the Parkway West for more traditional office development. I do wonder what the ethelene plant would do to demand if Shell decides on the Aliquippa location on which to build it...

markson33 Jan 15, 2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonboy1983 (Post 5550443)
Fair point; there's not enough demand along the Parkway West for more traditional office development. I do wonder what the ethelene plant would do to demand if Shell decides on the Aliquippa location on which to build it...

That's a really good question. I'm sure there would be a number of companies that would want to be near that plant. I would think Marcellus related companies are Chaska's primary target - they are leasing space right and left. That one story type building is ideal for their use.

michaelsouellette Jan 18, 2012 6:19 PM

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12018/1204140-53.stm

It's good to see this eyesore will finally get completed.

Evergrey Jan 18, 2012 9:27 PM

The never-ending Pittsburgh transit-dismantling continues... and in this era of austerity and Corbettism... pleas for state aid are especially useless.

http://postgazette.com/pg/12018/1204207-454.stm

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More Port Authority transit cuts ahead

Port Authority CEO says rollback plan 'not a scare tactic,' pleads for state aid

Wednesday, January 18, 2012

By Jon Schmitz, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Venerable bus routes serving Mt. Lebanon, Coraopolis, Green Tree, Mount Washington, Oakmont, Edgewood and Sewickley will be among 46 routes eliminated by the Port Authority in September if there is no solution to a statewide transportation funding crisis.

Riders who aren't stranded will pay more -- the authority plans a 25-cent increase in the base Zone 1 fare, to $2.50, on July 1. Zone 2 rides will go up 50 cents, to $3.75. It will be the fourth fare increase in the past 4 1/2 years. The last was in January 2011.

As part of a 35 percent reduction in service hours that would take effect Sept. 2 -- the largest cut in the agency's 48-year history -- all of the authority's current 102 bus and rail routes would be scaled back, some ending altogether and others with deep drops in off-peak and weekend service, according to a summary released by the authority.

On all but 13 routes, service would terminate at or around 10 p.m. daily. Weekend service would be eliminated on the Blue Line of the Light Rail Transit system.

All routes will end service at approximately 10 p.m. except for the following: 8 Perrysville, 16 Brighton, 27 Fairywood, 51 Carrick, 61B Braddock, 71A Negley, 71D Hamilton, 82 Lincoln, 86 Liberty, 91 Butler Street, G2 West Busway, P1 East Busway, Red Line

The reduction, coupled with a 15 percent service cut last March, would leave the region's biggest transit agency with barely half of the service it offered a year ago.

An estimated 500 to 600 jobs could be eliminated, with most of that achieved through layoffs, authority CEO Steve Bland said.

"If we have to go through with these reductions, my feeling is it's the beginning of the end of public transit as a significant carrier in the region," he said.

"It's absolutely not a scare tactic," he said of the proposal being unveiled today. "The folks who use the routes we eliminated in March know how real it is. It's as serious as a heart attack."

The authority is facing a projected $64 million deficit in its 2012-13 operating budget, which takes effect in July. Flat or declining aid from the state and Allegheny County in recent years, coupled with soaring costs of retirement benefits and fuel, have pushed the agency to the brink of insolvency.

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Read more: http://postgazette.com/pg/12018/1204...#ixzz1jqbc068T

Private Dick Jan 18, 2012 9:33 PM

^ But I'm told that Pittsburgh is such a hip, "in", vibrant, hi-tech, cool, urban place now...

As these types of negative indicators continue to be around and continue to get worse, I'll choose to remain immune to the hype.

Jonboy1983 Jan 18, 2012 9:37 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelsouellette (Post 5554656)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12018/1204140-53.stm

It's good to see this eyesore will finally get completed.

Finally!! I can't wait to see what the finished product is going to look like...


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