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mt_climber13 Jun 15, 2012 3:26 PM

SAN FRANCISCO | Salesforce Tower | 1,070 FT (326 M) | 61 floors
 
http://i.imgur.com/S9lWc7n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OLc9ghy.jpg

415 Mission Street, San Francisco, California, USA

Architect: Pelli Clarke Pelli
Developer: Boston Properties Hines
Area: 1.35 million sq. ft.
Use: Office

Construction completed May 22, 2018:

https://i.imgur.com/0JX2EA2.jpg

Photo credit https://www.instagram.com/p/BjFkEpfF...by=streets.win

Construction Camera

Live construction video feed

Image copyright: Pelli Clarke Pelli Architects

From the architect:
"The tower takes the timeless form of the obelisk and has a slender, tapering silhouette. The walls are composed of clear glass with pearlescent white, metal accents. These horizontal and vertical accents gradually taper in depth to accentuate the curved glass corners. The walls rise past the top floor to form a transparent crown that appears to dissolve into the sky. Carved into the tower top is a vertical facet that will be lit at night. Like the transit center, the design for the tower emphasizes sustainability and has a LEED Gold objective."

http://i.imgur.com/cNk0S7E.jpg

http://www.socketsite.com/wp-content...r-Lighting.jpg



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http://i.imgur.com/9z21JJQ.jpg

tele75 Jun 15, 2012 4:25 PM

Awesome. Love it SF.

easy as pie Jun 15, 2012 9:42 PM

so for about 2 years, we'll have simultaneous construction on four separate sites, in addition to the new terminal itself - this supertall, 181 freemont, crescent heights' 524 howard, and tishman's rounding out the (irritatingly lowrise) foundry square development. now we're talking.

urbandreamer Jun 16, 2012 3:44 AM

Love it!

migol24 Jun 16, 2012 5:43 AM

Suuweeeeet!! :awesome::dancingtaco::dancingbacon:cucumber::apple::banger::righton::leek::fireworks:

KevinFromTexas Jun 16, 2012 6:03 AM

That's going to produce some interesting skyline views looking down Columbus Avenue with it being so close to the Transamerica Pyramid from that angle.

migol24 Jun 16, 2012 6:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 5736151)
That's going to produce some interesting skyline views looking down Columbus Avenue with it being so close to the Transamerica Pyramid from that angle.

It might peek out somewhere walking through FiDi being so tall. This is going to be epic. Bye, bye Seattle and Boston: hello Chicago and NYC. :cool:

TallBob Jun 16, 2012 9:08 AM

A tall one for SF!

Roadcruiser1 Jun 16, 2012 3:24 PM

This will be the first building in San Francisco to soar over 1,000 feet. Celebration time :D.

NOPA Jun 18, 2012 10:25 PM

Thanks for splitting the thread on this planned tower and the under-construction adjacent terminal!

NYC GUY Jun 19, 2012 1:08 AM

This is a very good looking building. :)

tech12 Jun 19, 2012 2:45 AM

Nice to see a new/separate thread for this tower! Next summer can't come soon enough...especially since the queen of the NIMBYs (Sue Hestor) has finally managed to put the tower on her radar of "evil skyscrapers that must be stopped at all costs". Though I have a feeling she'll be powerless on this occasion, thankfully.

Here are some older renders that have a somewhat different design, but which are at the correct height of 1,070 feet, so they give an idea of what it would look like on the skyline:

http://i.imgur.com/mDVAY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/krFKU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vZK4q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/k5ViG.jpg

sources:
http://sfmea.sfplanning.org/2007.0558E_DEIR1.pdf
http://www.socketsite.com/archives/2...ransit_ce.html

And here's another render showing what it would look like from the bay/across the bay to the southeast (which happens to be one of my favorite angles of SF's skyline), along with the proposed Mission Rock development:

http://i.imgur.com/btOLX.jpg

jd3189 Jun 19, 2012 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 5736384)
This will be the first building in San Francisco to soar over 1,000 feet. Celebration time :D.


More cities around the country need to at least have one or two supertalls on average. Especially major cities like San Fran and Miami.

mt_climber13 Jun 19, 2012 3:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd3189 (Post 5738974)
More cities around the country need to at least have one or two supertalls on average. Especially major cities like San Fran and Miami.

We're getting there!

Roadcruiser1 Jun 19, 2012 4:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd3189 (Post 5738974)
More cities around the country need to at least have one or two supertalls on average. Especially major cities like San Fran and Miami.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5738982)
They would if they had the demand.

Miami will have One Bayfront Plaza which would be 1,010 feet tall, but I don't like the current design. The old one was better.

Zapatan Jun 19, 2012 5:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd3189 (Post 5738974)
More cities around the country need to at least have one or two supertalls on average. Especially major cities like San Fran and Miami.


Aside from SF, LA and Miami have future potential supertalls.

If Chicago's wolf point tower gains a bit of height somehow it could too.

Which would make for 4 new supertalls outside NY

Anyway SF truly deserves this building!

tech12 Jun 19, 2012 8:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5738982)
They would if they had the demand.

It's not always about demand. Height limits play a part too, of course. SF had/has the demand, and would have had at least one supertall built decades ago if not for height limits (the Transamerica pyramid, at it's original proposed height of 1,150').

mt_climber13 Jun 19, 2012 3:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tech12 (Post 5739142)
It's not always about demand. Height limits play a part too, of course. SF had/has the demand, and would have had at least one supertall built decades ago if not for height limits (the Transamerica pyramid, at it's original proposed height of 1,150').

Fun fact: The Pyramid was the 5th tallest building in the world upon completion in 1972.

1977 Jun 19, 2012 4:10 PM

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tech12 Jun 19, 2012 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739331)
Fun fact: The Pyramid was the 5th tallest building in the world upon completion in 1972.

Yeah, I guess even at the reduced height, it still basically qualified as a "supertall" of the time.

mt_climber13 Jun 19, 2012 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1977 (Post 5739383)

I hope they don't install that stupid concrete monster, what an embarrassment that would be.

goldcntry Jun 19, 2012 8:54 PM

Fantastic build for SF! I am loving the crown.

rriojas71 Jun 19, 2012 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739685)
I hope they don't install that stupid concrete monster, what an embarrassment that would be.

I couldn't agree more... that thing is atrocious. Where are the NIMBY's when you really need them.

Gordo Jun 19, 2012 9:50 PM

^I dunno, I kind of like it. It's unique, which I'm typically a fan of.

I wish that we still had that giant spider on the Embarcadero, that thing was awesome. Too bad it was temporary.

NYC GUY Jun 19, 2012 10:38 PM

Although that concrete sculpture isn't that great looking it could become something that tourists like taking pics with, Sort of like the Wall Street Bull.

1977 Jun 20, 2012 12:01 AM

I don't hate it, I don't love it, but I do like the fact it will be constructed from salvaged pieces of the old Transbay Terminal.

Quote:

Hawkinson will salvage some of the demolished material from the Transbay Terminal to reconstruct from the ruins, a figure to welcome travelers to the new Transit Center. The sculpture will be approximately 41 feet high and is constructed almost entirely from the demolished remains of the original terminal. The artist sees the sculpture as a “guardian”, intended to help travelers navigate a safe journey.
Source: http://transbaycenter.org/project/tr.../tim-hawkinson

http://transbaycenter.org/uploads/2009/11/TTC_30.jpg
Source: www.transbaycenter.org

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 1977 (Post 5739973)
I don't hate it, I don't love it, but I do like the fact it will be constructed from salvaged pieces of the old Transbay Terminal.


Source: http://transbaycenter.org/project/tr.../tim-hawkinson

http://transbaycenter.org/uploads/2009/11/TTC_30.jpg
Source: www.transbaycenter.org

I've heard it been referred to as "The last bum to leave the terminal" I like that one!

easy as pie Jun 20, 2012 12:17 AM

i don't think i've ever even visited a city with worse public art that sf. i remember curbed did a "what's the worst public art in sf?" and it was practically a 12-way tie. this one would be a close 13th, just a terrible counterpoint to something so light and forward-looking. why not have an organic counterpoint, or something vivacious and expressive? why something like out of a child's cereal box or a 1990s video game?

i do like the redwoods though, ideally, i'd see some sort of crimson red totemic type thing, maybe a soft, even gently twisting, triangle rising from within the redwood grove, with seating below. in that vision, the redwoods would be very tightly spaced, with an earth floor and some low iron gating surrounding, like entering a glen. not sure how much time people spend at the transamerica redwood glen, but in the morning, with the dew or fog hanging out there, it's transporting.

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by easy as pie (Post 5739982)

i do like the redwoods though, ideally, i'd see some sort of crimson red totemic type thing, maybe a soft, even gently twisting, triangle rising from within the redwood grove, with seating below. in that vision, the redwoods would be very tightly spaced, with an earth floor and some low iron gating surrounding, like entering a glen. not sure how much time people spend at the transamerica redwood glen, but in the morning, with the dew or fog hanging out there, it's transporting.

Although not technically in SF, but in the Presidio, I really like this piece of public art which is in essence what you just described:

http://lensdaisy.smugmug.com/Photogr...llo-Gate-M.jpg
http://lensdaisy.com/2011/09/26/pres...san-francisco/

homebucket Jun 20, 2012 1:37 AM

I like the addition of the elevated park. It reminds me of a mini High Line from NYC, which has been very successful. Too bad it doesn't snake its way all the way to the Embarcadero though!

tech12 Jun 20, 2012 4:21 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket
I like the addition of the elevated park. It reminds me of a mini High Line from NYC, which has been very successful. Too bad it doesn't snake its way all the way to the Embarcadero though!

Old designs had the rooftop park extending south, along the top of the bus ramp to the freeway, making it even more like a mini high line park. You can see part of it in this rendering:

http://inhabitat.com/wp-content/blog...t-Center-9.jpg
http://inhabitat.com/sfs-green-trans...on/transbay-2/

Unfortunately it seems that it's no longer part of the design.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739685)
I hope they don't install that stupid concrete monster, what an embarrassment that would be.

Agreed. I wouldn't really mind if they built it somewhere else that's less visible/trafficked, because I like off the wall and weird stuff...but building it as the centerpiece sculpture of SF's new tallest tower? Hopefully not, I think they can do a lot better than that ugly pile of blocks. And can we tear down the giant bow and arrow on the embarcadero, while we're at it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739987)
Although not technically in SF, but in the Presidio, I really like this piece of public art which is in essence what you just described:

http://lensdaisy.smugmug.com/Photogr...llo-Gate-M.jpg
http://lensdaisy.com/2011/09/26/pres...san-francisco/

Whoa that's pretty cool. I didn't know about it, which reminds me how little I go to the Presidio. Also, even though the Presidio is national park service land, it's still a part of SF.

easy as pie Jun 20, 2012 6:19 AM

yeah, like i almost never go to the presidio, i think i've been there a dozen times in my life. i don't know if the presidio is technically part of sf but, psychologically, it seems really removed. then again, so does st francis wood and stonestown and even the excelsior.

tech12 Jun 20, 2012 8:09 AM

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Originally Posted by easy as pie (Post 5740272)
yeah, like i almost never go to the presidio, i think i've been there a dozen times in my life. i don't know if the presidio is technically part of sf but, psychologically, it seems really removed. then again, so does st francis wood and stonestown and even the excelsior.

Same here, I've been to the Presidio maybe 10 times in the past decade, aside from driving through. It does feel like a different world compared to the rest of SF, but it is part of SF . It has over 2,000 residents and is in district 2 along with the Marina, Pacific Heights, Presidio Heights, Seacliff, and some of the Western Addition and Russian Hill.

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tech12 (Post 5740304)
Same here, I've been to the Presidio maybe 10 times in the past decade, aside from driving through. It does feel like a different world compared to the rest of SF, but it is part of SF . It has over 2,000 residents and is in district 2 along with the Marina, Pacific Heights, Presidio Heights, Seacliff, and some of the Western Addition and Russian Hill.

District 2- that's my hood ;)

CyberEric Jun 20, 2012 9:49 AM

I love the concrete monster, I hope they keep it there. Wouldn't it be considered NIMBY to oppose it?

And I like SF's public art, it's not all great, but at least it's there in relative abundance. There are a lot of other cities that have very little public art whatsoever and they'd do well to even have SF's mediocre pieces. I am living in London now, and there is so little public art it feels a bit sterile.
I find it interesting how hard people living in San Francisco are on the city sometimes, it's this funny self-loathing thing. I suppose it's everywhere.

tech12 Jun 20, 2012 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberEric (Post 5740328)
I love the concrete monster, I hope they keep it there. Wouldn't it be considered NIMBY to oppose it?

And I like SF's public art, it's not all great, but at least it's there in relative abundance. There are a lot of other cities that have very little public art whatsoever and they'd do well to even have SF's mediocre pieces. I am living in London now, and there is so little public art it feels a bit sterile.
I find it interesting how hard people living in San Francisco are on the city sometimes, it's this funny self-loathing thing. I suppose it's everywhere.

I don't think it's very self-loathing to hate an ugly sculpture, especially one that's not even built yet. I actually like the sculpture in Justin Herman plaza, which is similar in that it's blocky and concrete, though some others thing it's 100% fugly. SF does have some good public art, but that proposed concrete block man wouldn't be an example, in my opinion, at least in that location.

mt_climber13 Jun 20, 2012 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberEric (Post 5740328)
I love the concrete monster, I hope they keep it there. Wouldn't it be considered NIMBY to oppose it?

There are plenty of skyscrapers in SF I loathe as well. Yes, I suppose it is a type of NIMBYism if I were to campaign against it and waste taxpayer money on ballot initiatives to block it. To not like something is not NIMBYism.

1977 Jun 20, 2012 5:43 PM

Honestly, they could put a bronze pile of crap on that corner and I wouldn't really care. I'm just happy to see an actual super tall in SF. I never thought I'd see the day!

peanut gallery Jun 20, 2012 5:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wakamesalad (Post 5739979)
I've heard it been referred to as "The last bum to leave the terminal" I like that one!

HA! I like that too. That's exactly what I will call it from now on. Too funny!

We're wandering off topic here, but I think SF has very good public art. Some I consider good and some bad (a subjective thing for sure), but there is a good amount of it in the parts of town I frequent (mostly FiDi and other parts of the northeast). I think it stacks up just fine with most places I've been.

1977 Jun 20, 2012 6:06 PM

Quote:

originally posted by wakamesalad
i've heard it been referred to as "the last bum to leave the terminal" i like that one!
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut gallery (Post 5740683)
ha! I like that too. That's exactly what i will call it from now on. Too funny!

+1!

rriojas71 Jun 20, 2012 6:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordo (Post 5739832)
^I dunno, I kind of like it. It's unique, which I'm typically a fan of.

I wish that we still had that giant spider on the Embarcadero, that thing was awesome. Too bad it was temporary.

I never saw the Giant Spider, but that sounds like it could be pretty cool. For me the sculpture of the Rock Monster would be fine if it just wasn't near the Terminal Tower.
Move it to the proposed Mission Rock park and it would be must better served and co-hesive with that project IMHO.

WildCowboy Jun 20, 2012 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rriojas71 (Post 5740738)
I never saw the Giant Spider, but that sounds like it could be pretty cool. For me the sculpture of the Rock Monster would be fine if it just wasn't near the Terminal Tower.
Move it to the proposed Mission Rock park and it would be must better served and co-hesive with that project IMHO.

But the whole point is that it's built with pieces of the old terminal...I think that's really cool.

rriojas71 Jun 20, 2012 9:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WildCowboy (Post 5740810)
But the whole point is that it's built with pieces of the old terminal...I think that's really cool.

Just like the fountain at Justin Hermann plaza was made from parts of the Embarcadeo Fwy, which is a nice hommage, but it's not a great piece of art in that location. I think being on the corner it is going to be an eyesore next to the sleekness of the terminal and the tower. :slob: Maybe they should put it inside the terminal instead.
I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I don't like it, maybe it will grow on me with time.

peanut gallery Jun 20, 2012 10:14 PM

^Are you talking about Vaillancourt Fountain? That was there way before the Embarcadero Freeway came down. It's been there since the early 70s at least.

JayCortese Jun 21, 2012 2:05 AM

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caramatt Jun 23, 2012 9:21 PM

I too hate the sculpture, at least the way it looks in the rendering. It's too bad, because Tim Hawkinson makes some beautiful work. The TJPA has some more info on their artist's page, along with a video covering all the site-specific work that is going to be part of the terminal developement. I definitely recommend watching it. I think the terrazzo floor specifically will be quite nice and unique.

http://transbaycenter.org/project/transit-center/public-art/tim-hawkinson

Charcusms Jun 25, 2012 6:18 PM

Number of floors?
 
The architect's website lists the number of floors at 80. Was this the old figure back when the height was closer to 1,200 feet?

mt_climber13 Jun 25, 2012 6:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charcusms (Post 5745931)
The architect's website lists the number of floors at 80. Was this the old figure back when the height was closer to 1,200 feet?

:tup:

Sam Hill Jun 26, 2012 4:38 AM

Not only do I love this building, but I don't think it could be better placed in the skyline. Can't wait to watch it go up. Hopefully I'll be living in The City again by then.

Zapatan Jun 26, 2012 6:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charcusms (Post 5745931)
The architect's website lists the number of floors at 80. Was this the old figure back when the height was closer to 1,200 feet?

yea that's it, but I'm wondering why they didn't change it on the website.

I wish there were more of a fight to get this thing back up to 1200', but considering it's SF, we're lucky with 1070 :sly:


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