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dktshb Oct 9, 2009 2:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Westsidelife (Post 4492502)
Gold Line Eastside Extension

Turnstiles being installed at the two subway stations...

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From Flickr, by bigbend700

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Those stations look great and I can't wait until all subway stops on the Red and Purple line also have the turnstiles. I think the city could be losing so much money the way the subways are operated now.

geoking66 Oct 9, 2009 4:26 AM
Aren't those the same turnstiles as PATH?

LAsam Oct 9, 2009 6:17 PM
Wow! If the MTA is good at one thing, it's definately building underground train stations!

Westsidelife Oct 9, 2009 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dktshb (Post 4497033)
Those stations look great and I can't wait until all subway stops on the Red and Purple line also have the turnstiles. I think the city could be losing so much money the way the subways are operated now.
"The agency estimates it loses about $5 million per year due to fare evasion."

http://www.metro.net/news_info/press/Metro_123.htm

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Originally Posted by geoking66 (Post 4497222)
Aren't those the same turnstiles as PATH?
Yes, but they lack the conventional ticket slots. The MTA and Metrolink are developing tickets that can be scanned by the turnstiles.

Westsidelife Oct 9, 2009 11:51 PM
The Gold Line Eastside Extension will begin revenue service on November 14th...

http://www.metro.net/board/Items/200...m24Handout.pdf

sopas ej Oct 10, 2009 1:13 AM
:previous:

Awesome!

jamesinclair Oct 10, 2009 2:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dktshb (Post 4497033)
Those stations look great and I can't wait until all subway stops on the Red and Purple line also have the turnstiles. I think the city could be losing so much money the way the subways are operated now.
Itll cost the city more money to operate (and install) these than they were losing in evasion. Its the biggestw aste of money ever, and is an obvious win by the lobbyist representing the company that sells the damn things.

Westsidelife Oct 10, 2009 6:28 PM
Upcoming Gold Line Eastside Extension II Meetings...
 
Gold Line Eastside Extension II

Tuesday, October 20, 6-8pm
Montebello Golf Course
901 Via San Clemente
Camino Conference Room
Montebello, CA 90640

Thursday, October 22, 6-8pm
Pio Pico Women’s Club
9214 Mines Av
Pico Rivera, CA 90660

Westsidelife Oct 10, 2009 6:53 PM
The Gold Line Eastside Extension II will officially be narrowed down to two alternatives at the upcoming Board meeting next week. The remaining two options are State Route 60 and Washington Boulevard. Thank you to Wright Concept for directing me to this link...

http://www.metro.net/board/Items/200...14P&PItem8.pdf

geoking66 Oct 10, 2009 10:22 PM
Let's hope that they don't choose the SR60 route; LRT is far more effective if it runs along streets.

JDRCRASH Oct 12, 2009 3:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Westsidelife (Post 4499767)
The Gold Line Eastside Extension II will officially be narrowed down to two alternatives at the upcoming Board meeting next week. The remaining two options are State Route 60 and Washington Boulevard. Thank you to Wright Concept for directing me to this link...

http://www.metro.net/board/Items/200...14P&PItem8.pdf
Thanks for posting that. This increases the possibility of extending the Purple Line.

JDRCRASH Oct 12, 2009 3:32 AM
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Originally Posted by geoking66 (Post 4500005)
Let's hope that they don't choose the SR60 route; LRT is far more effective if it runs along streets.
Except the Gold Line runs at an average of only 30 MPH (is that right?) on the Eastside branch.

geoking66 Oct 12, 2009 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JDRCRASH (Post 4501363)
Except the Gold Line runs at an average of only 30 MPH (is that right?) on the Eastside branch.
Even if it hits the max 55 or so that's still nowhere near fast enough to compete with freeway traffic apart from rush hours. LRT should really act as a low-capacity feeder to heavy rail, which in turn feeds to commuter and high-speed rail. The latter three can work in freeway medians, as shown by the Orange Line in DC.

Westsidelife Oct 13, 2009 12:07 AM
The Washington Boulevard option, the likelier of the two alternatives, would be a 100% grade-separated aerial alignment. IMO, that's the only saving grace to this otherwise horrible route (both suck).

JDRCRASH Oct 13, 2009 2:35 PM
What do you mean?

LAofAnaheim Oct 14, 2009 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JDRCRASH (Post 4501361)
Thanks for posting that. This increases the possibility of extending the Purple Line.
This makes no sense. How can you compare the speed of building the Gold Line with the Purple Line? That's like comparing the time to build the I-5 carpool lanes to the Orange Line busway. Two mutually exclusive projects.

Westsidelife Oct 14, 2009 10:06 PM
^ He's talking about extending the Purple Line eastward along Whittier Boulevard.

Westsidelife Oct 14, 2009 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wright Concept (Post 4496979)
As a follow-up to this conversation; There's a lot of assumptions in this one, but to answer the question they are looking to bond against future Measure R revenues , however there maybe a chance to get an overall savings by taking advantage of this now when interest rates are somewhat low and the recession is kicking in.

http://www.metro.net/board/Items/200...4P&PItem10.pdf
http://www.metro.net/board/Items/200...m10Handout.pdf
I hadn't had a chance to examine those links until recently. It looks like they plan on taking 35% of the revenue generated each fiscal year, as the document assumes there will only be enough Measure R money (and subsequent New Starts funds) for MOS 1. So they plan on using bonds, eh? That was always the plan, no?

Westsidelife Oct 16, 2009 6:46 AM
Here's the PowerPoint presentation from the Board meeting...

http://www.metro.net/board/Items/200...em8Handout.pdf

electricron Oct 16, 2009 2:58 PM
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It'll cost the city more money to operate (and install) these than they were losing in evasion. Its the biggest waste of money ever, and is an obvious win by the lobbyist representing the company that sells the damn things.
Quote:
"The agency estimates it loses about $5 million per year due to fare evasion."
At $5 Million per year, it only takes 20 years to save $100 Million.
Too many people making that argument it doesn't pay for itself think it must do so in just one year, not over decades......


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