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McBane Jun 22, 2011 1:12 PM

Who said it has to be highrises? Can't they cap 676, break up the space with one or two new east-west streets, and build a mix of rowhomes and 4-6 story apartments? That wouldn't be an engineering feat or add building costs. Further, low rise development is actually feasible. Like the Delaware Waterfront, if we opened up all this land to development and restricted it to high rises, it would take a very very long time to fill it up.

A park would definitely not be the answer. Center City has plenty of green space and is not dense enough to absorb more (though the homeless would welcome it). And because of its location, a park over 676 would not be a catalyst for development that Millennium Park was in Chicago. The city would not see any return on investment by turning that space into a park. Further, the Park Commission, as Inga has pointed out many times, is far behind Chicago, NY, and other cities. It's budget is already strained and can't even maintain Rittenhouse Square. How would they ever afford to maintain a park built over the entire length of 676?

thenbagis Jun 22, 2011 3:10 PM

I'm not sure exactly where the line is... but remember that at some point... capping a road becomes a "tunnel" and requires ventilation and other infrastructure. Not an engineering barrier, but may be a financial one.

Edit:

Here is a summary of the requirements for a "tunnel"
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/bridge/tunne...i09010/02a.cfm

volguus zildrohar Jun 22, 2011 9:22 PM

Correct and that's probably why the road was continued as open-cut and not enclosed to being with.

McBane, the idea of breaking the space up with streets is a nice one but I'd think more a pedestrian mall/walkways. The open areas of the highway now are only the size of a regular city block themselves. Some manner of traffic calming, however, is needed on local Vine Street whether it ever gets capped or not. It isn't so much a city street anymore as it is a service road for 676 and people drive it that way.

aro1419 Jun 22, 2011 9:24 PM

Phila Zoo and Fergie Tower
 
Coming Attraction: The Philadelphia Zoo Breaks Ground On A Brand New Children’s Zoo And Educational Facility Set To Become The Zoo’s First LEED-Certified Building
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With the goal in mind of deepening its education — particularly of children — about animals and their conservation, plus meeting high standards for sustainable design and operation, the Philadelphia Zoo has officially broken ground on a new, state-of-the-art educational facility to be titled the Hamilton Family Children’s Zoo & Education Center (HFCZ&EC).

The facility, targeted at kids ages 2-13, will combine dynamic learning activities with world-class exhibits to offer new opportunities for science learning and advance our understanding of the pressures facing wildlife around the world.
By: Allison Stadd From Uwishunu.com published 6/22/11
http://www.uwishunu.com/2011/06/the-...fied-building/
It's very nice to see the zoo expanding and creating modern exhibits. I for one would love to go to it when it opens (despite the fact that it is aimed for children ages 2-13:haha:)
Also,
UPDATE: clearing way for U3's "Fergie Tower"
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The recent demolition of a building located at 1213 Walnut Street suggests that a proposed structure approved by the Planning Commission in 2009 may finally be moving ahead.
By: Helen G. Kunda From planphilly.com published 6/22/11
http://planphilly.com/update-clearin...s-fergie-tower
The article also says that more buildings will be demolished to make way for this tower. I really do hope that this project does move forward because it will be great for that area and we really do need a new 'scraper to look forward too

Pennsgrant Jun 23, 2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aro1419 (Post 5325031)
UPDATE: clearing way for U3's "Fergie Tower"

By: Helen G. Kunda From planphilly.com published 6/22/11
http://planphilly.com/update-clearin...s-fergie-tower
The article also says that more buildings will be demolished to make way for this tower. I really do hope that this project does move forward because it will be great for that area and we really do need a new 'scraper to look forward too

320' at 12th + Walnut? Yaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn :yuck:

ScreamShatter Jun 23, 2011 1:45 AM

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Originally Posted by McBane (Post 5324350)
Who said it has to be highrises? Can't they cap 676, break up the space with one or two new east-west streets, and build a mix of rowhomes and 4-6 story apartments? That wouldn't be an engineering feat or add building costs. Further, low rise development is actually feasible. Like the Delaware Waterfront, if we opened up all this land to development and restricted it to high rises, it would take a very very long time to fill it up.

A park would definitely not be the answer. Center City has plenty of green space and is not dense enough to absorb more (though the homeless would welcome it). And because of its location, a park over 676 would not be a catalyst for development that Millennium Park was in Chicago. The city would not see any return on investment by turning that space into a park. Further, the Park Commission, as Inga has pointed out many times, is far behind Chicago, NY, and other cities. It's budget is already strained and can't even maintain Rittenhouse Square. How would they ever afford to maintain a park built over the entire length of 676?

Keep in mind that I phrased the 676 park in the context of an way to help the flow between CC and the loft district. I realize that Philly does have green space; however, that area of town only has access to parks in center city, fairmont, and nolibs. The RV would give some park space, but it would be a thin walkway more like the highline. A series of 676 parks would give that area walkable access to more open space and connect that part of town to the Ben Franklin in a much better way smaller walkways like the one in front of the Convention Center are trying to do.

Regarding money restrictions, it wouldn't cost much more per square foot to build a park over 676 than it would do build pier parks like we just did on the Delaware. And the majority of those funds would come from federal and state government grants (that will be available again in the future). As for the up keep cost, how does Philly afford to maintain Washington Square, Ben Franklin Pkwy Parks, Kelly Drive, or the proposed new Delaware Waterfront parks? That wouldn't really be a issue.

As I stated before, I was throwing out a suggestion about helping the development for the Loft District. Capping 676 wouldn't be a good option unless they were looking to build up to Loft District, and in that case, it would probably be an idea worth considering. I just view a highway cutting straight through the city like a giant surface parking lot...and given that 676 is already at a low elevation, it would make sense to do something above it...especially if the intent is to redevelop that area of town.

:)

Aaamazarite Jun 23, 2011 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aro1419 (Post 5325031)
UPDATE: clearing way for U3's "Fergie Tower"

By: Helen G. Kunda From planphilly.com published 6/22/11
http://planphilly.com/update-clearin...s-fergie-tower
The article also says that more buildings will be demolished to make way for this tower. I really do hope that this project does move forward because it will be great for that area and we really do need a new 'scraper to look forward too

I don't get it. What more needs to be demolished? Oh well, who cares... it'll be nice to have a new tall building... 320 ft should put it at about the same height as the nearby Chancellor, which stands out quite a bit in the neighborhood. I hope this thing goes the distance despite NIMBY resistance... I know one neighborhood resident who is convinced that any more tall buildings will be too much for the sewer system :koko: .

Rendering of the unfortunate new 12th & Arch hotel here, at the bottom of the article.

Pennsgrant Jun 23, 2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaamazarite (Post 5325723)
Rendering of the unfortunate new 12th & Arch hotel here, at the bottom of the article.


Truly horrific. My 6 year old could have come up with a more creative design. Just brutal.

pwp Jun 23, 2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaamazarite (Post 5325723)
Rendering of the unfortunate new 12th & Arch hotel here, at the bottom of the article.

Ew. :yuck:

McBane Jun 23, 2011 12:52 PM

676 Eh who cares...just a pipe dream and now we have real projects to talk about! :banana:

Fergies Tower Pennsgrant, really? 320 ft is pretty good height. But I think the developers made the mistake of publicly proposing a reasonable height. They should have proposed 500 feet, met with the NIMBYs, and then said, okay, how's 320 feet? While the height is decent, this will be very good for the street. Any renderings? This isn't that really cool Dubai-like proposal from a few years ago is it?

12th and Arch I get a kick out of that blog! 12th and Arch - very ugly but very Quaker-Philadelphian (as in boring, quiet, subdued). I do like the fact that there appears to be strorefronts but wonder what kind of retail would sign up for that location. I like that more and more garages and buildings are incorporating storefronts, but many of them sit empty. A good example is that Jefferson garage at 9th and Chestnut which took years to get a Kinkos and a bank.

thenbagis Jun 23, 2011 4:25 PM

12th and Arch - I complete agree that it could be a million times better. At same time it could be worse (parking garage on the first few floors, no retail, etc).

So... got me thinking. We can't expect every project to be a ACC, Comcast Center, PSFS, etc...

So, you have an empty or parking lot in Center City Philly (we got a few of them)... What's the minimum you expect to see?
- First floor retail?
- At least __ number of floors?
- etc...

I'd say first floor retail is important because it helps maintain a vibrant sidewalk/city life. But is there enough demand for every new development to have first floor retail... ehh... the Murano is still empty...

I'd also say that since it's center city, it needs some density... so some height is important.

Aesthetics... I want the majority (>51%) to look pretty good... but I know we can't expect every one to be a looker... Plus... as ugly as the 12th and Arch proposal is... it's better looking than an empty lot.

What do you think is the minimum that should be supported? You know there's enough NIMBYs out there to battle everything.

We Got Five Jun 23, 2011 5:55 PM

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Rendering of the unfortunate new 12th & Arch hotel here, at the bottom of the article.
This can't happen in that area. The Renaissance Hotel should look in that location. A 30 story building primarily used for Hotel space would be ideal - 300-350' makes perfect in that location. A squat building in that area? No.

aro1419 Jun 23, 2011 8:55 PM

Younger Center City Pop.
 
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Northern Liberties had dramatic growth in the number of people in their 20s and 30s, up 77 percent in 10 years. The neighborhood gained 2,500 more young adults - who now constitute a majority, leaping from 37 percent to 53 percent of neighborhood residents.

The neighborhood with the largest percentage of young adults in Philadelphia, according to data released Thursday, is Manayunk. Today, 59 percent of residents there are in their 20s or 30s, up from 43 percent in 2000.

Southwest Center City mirrored the growth in Northern Liberties. The young-adult population there grew by 65 percent, and that share of the population jumped from 35 percent to 53 percent.
Center City gets younger by: Jeff Gammage, John Duchneskie, and Dylan Purcell published: 6/23/11
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...s_younger.html
This is very positive for the city and hopefully not just Center City's but whole city's younger population will continue to grow.

EastSideHBG Jun 23, 2011 10:20 PM

East Passyunk neighborhood shines in national press

By CBS Philadelphia cbs Philadelphia – Thu Jun 23, 9:05 am ET
John Ostapkovich, KYW Newsradio 1060

It's a happy time along East Passyunk Avenue in South Philadelphia. The "Singing Fountain" at Tasker Street will be rededicated Thursday night after restoration, and that section of town got a profile in a major magazine.

The profile of East Passyunk is part of a two-page look at Philadelphia in the July-August issue of National Geographic Traveler. Overall, it's about what to do in Philly in only 48 hours and writer Caroline Tiger chose East Passyunk for the "On Foot" subsection.

"It's a traditionally Italian neighborhood that has been sort of taken over by the quote-unquote hipsters who have put their own stamp in it," Tiger says.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_localp...bouchon=504,pa

josef Jun 24, 2011 2:19 PM

Awww yeahhh
 
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Bill allowing flashier signs on East Market in exchange for investment passes city council

June 23, 2011
By Kellie Patrick Gates
For PlanPhilly

East Market Street could get glitzy.

City Council Thursday unanimously passed a zoning bill creating a Commercial Advertising District between 7th and 13th Streets. In that district, developers get the option of having large-format, digital signs on buildings to which they make $10 million improvements.

First District Councilman Frank DiCicco came up with the advertising district as a way to liven up a street he calls a “dead zone” after five. The lights and signs themselves could be helpful, he has said, but the real key is the requirement that any developer who puts up a billboard would have to make big improvements to the building.

The bill, introduced by DiCicco and Councilman-at-Large Jim Kenney, allows non-accessory signs – signs that advertise an off-site use. It also allows “building wraps” - advertising that encases a building. It requires that any sign proposed for a historic building get the approval of the Historical Commission. Vacant buildings are not eligible.

Supporters – including Deputy Mayor for Planning and Development Alan Greenberger, who is also chairman of the planning commission – see the new law as a development tool that can help bring investment to a part of the city that has for decades under-performed.

The anti-blight organization SCRUB says the digital signs would detract from the area rather than enhance it, and that while such signage might be appropriate for The Gallery or other specific buildings, East Market is too big a swath. The Preservation Alliance worries the signs would detract from historic structures.
http://planphilly.com/news/notebook/...s-city-council

volguus zildrohar Jun 24, 2011 4:44 PM

One again, the ravings of stodgy knitting-circle types are justly ignored. Some good news for a change.

The hotel @ 12th: Disgusting - but nobody with power has the balls/concern to address it. Additionally, remember what's been said about building here in Philadelphia - very little upside to breaking the bank on a medium-sized project from a developer's point of view so why do it in a 'non-marquee' type of destination? It's sad but reality.

We Got Five Jun 24, 2011 5:38 PM

Quote:

The hotel @ 12th: Disgusting - but nobody with power has the balls/concern to address it. Additionally, remember what's been said about building here in Philadelphia - very little upside to breaking the bank on a medium-sized project from a developer's point of view so why do it in a 'non-marquee' type of destination? It's sad but reality.
Well said as usual V.Z. Another reason why we'll never see Philly's version on the High Line.

NYC opens new High Line section with lush lawn

Hillel Italie

Associated Press

http://www.philly.com/philly/travel/...lush_lawn.html

aro1419 Jun 24, 2011 11:18 PM

52nd St and Philly Live!
 
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A few years ago, community and merchant groups, especially the 52nd Street Business Association, decided it was time to do more to revitalize 52nd Street, just as SEPTA was finishing up the new El station there. The groups applied to the city for one of the Commercial Corridor grants that the city was awarding through Mayor Street’s $150 million Commercial and Cultural Corridor Program, in 2007. That program primarily does streetscape improvements in commercial corridors throughout the city; many of which are currently underway. That was followed by years of planning and discussions between the store owners and sidewalk vendors in order to agree to the new design for the street and its many businesses. The store owners and vendors usually were at odds, because each group saw the other as unfair competition. The vendors were particularly afraid that the store owners were trying to move them off the street. The city Commerce Department, which is administering the ReStore Philadelphia’s Corridors program – a program funded by the Philadelphia Industrial Development Corporation to renovate storefronts, decided to encourage both sides to discuss their differences and needs, in order to come to a mutual agreement that benefits both sides. The result is an agreement that allows 56 vendors (who would be properly licensed) between Walnut and Arch Streets, who will utilize specially designed kiosks intended to make the retail look more upscale and charming. Another point of contention was the canopy. The store owners and Commerce Department wanted to tear it down, but the vendors liked it because it protected them from the elements. The controversy came to a head when some vendors tied themselves to the posts of the canopy in a protest about a year and a half ago. After the agreement was reached between the vendors and the store owners, the canopy was eventually torn down.

The new streetscape improvement will include new sidewalks, trees, and lighting. The Commerce Department would like to renovate most of the storefronts, which deteriorated because they were blocked by the canopy.
“West Philadelphia’s Main Street”, 52nd Street, to become a main attraction by: gabrielcgottlieb published 6/22/11 on philadelphiaheights http://philadelphiaheights.wordpress...in-attraction/
Hopefully 52nd St will become a much nicer and safer place to be a shop.:)
Also...
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The long anticipated South Philadelphia development, "Philly Live" has finally begun construction of the first phase of the project. Developers, Philadelphia-based sports and entertainment firm Comcast-Spectacor, and world-renowned developers The Cordish Company, have teamed up on this project, proposing a destination retail, dining and entertainment district at the Philadelphia Sports Complex. The 300k plus sqft. entertainment complex will host the largest sports bar in the world. The first phase will contain several restaurants, retail and the mega sports bar. Comcast Spectacor expects the construction of phase one to be complete in time for Opening Day for the Phillies in April, 2012. Construction on the rest of the project, including a hotel has not been determined and depends heavily on the economy.
Philly Lives Goes Up! by: phillyshark on phillyshark.blogspot.com published: 6/24/11 http://phillyshark.blogspot.com/2011...s-goes-up.html
I wonder how this complex will turn out. Hopefully it will look like the pretty awesome renderings:shrug:

EastSideHBG Jun 26, 2011 2:08 PM

Posted on Sun, Jun. 26, 2011

Users want more say in expansion plan for Schuylkill Banks park

By Inga Saffron
Inquirer Architecture Critic

If a good park is defined by the variety of users it attracts, then Schuylkill Banks in Center City is one of the best. On any given day, the narrow waterfront trail is crammed with strollers, joggers, cyclists, dog walkers, Segway riders, sunbathers, and people just trying to find a quiet spot to read a book.

So perhaps it is no surprise that some of those users want a bigger say in how Schuylkill Banks handles its first major expansion since it opened 10 years ago as a no-frills asphalt strip linking Martin Luther King Drive to Locust Street.

With only days to go before the city starts construction of the first of several improvements - a 680-foot pedestrian bridge over the CSX rail tracks at Locust - various constituencies are mobilizing to stop, or delay, the $5.8 million project.

Some fear the bridge's concrete ramps will loom like a wall over the recreation path. Others say the span should be rerouted to spare mature trees in a community park adjacent to the waterfront trail. The loudest opposition comes from pet owners, who complain the bridge will compromise their dog park. They have hired a lawyer and say they will seek a temporary injunction against the project.

"Many people bought houses in the neighborhood because of the dog park," said Damon K. Roberts, attorney for the pet owners. "There are not adequate provisions for what happens during two years that the pedestrian bridge is being built."

Anticipating the boisterous free-for-all, the city already had scheduled a public meeting for Monday evening at the Trinity Center for Urban Life to discuss the connector bridge. Construction is to begin Tuesday.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...anks_park.html

hammersklavier Jun 26, 2011 3:43 PM

12th and Arch is a boring proposal as-is, but as to what I would want to see, thenbagis...

(a) Retail wraps along main streets. Residential streets and service alleys, not so much.
(b) At least as many stories (or sum height of) as the average of its immediate neighbors put together. So, for example, a proposal is surrounded by a 3 story building (trinity?), a 10 story building, a 5 story building, an 8 story building, a 25 story building, another 5 story building, another 10 story building, and finally a four story building. That is (3+10+5+8+25+5+10+4)/8, for at least an eight-to-nine (8.75) story building for that particular lot.
(c) Parking. No more than .75 spaces per unit/1000 ft. of commercial space; no more than .33 spaces per in proximity to rail transit. Bike parking considered an acceptable substitute for auto parking. No parking best of all.
(d) Structured parking. If parking is to be provided, underground parking is preferential. Decks are permissible only in circumstances where underground parking is physically or logistically impractical, such as construction over top existing infrastructure (inclusive of existing urbanized parking decks), or construction where the water table is high (such as along the riverfront).
(e) Lot coverage. The building should be expected to be built up to the street wall with plaza or courtyard space in the center or rear. Few, if any, gaps should be expected to present themselves between neighboring buildings.
(f) Plazas. No plaza should go without seats or trees. (I'm looking at you, American Jewish Museum plaza!) Ideally, the plaza should set off the main entrance to the building while at the same time being a public gathering space. In larger spaces, water features are also desirable. "Transparent" plazas (open to sidewalk traffic) are preferable.
(g) Special cases. Buildings along the Center City underground corridor network should be expected to front it as well as the street. Retail management at corridor level will be handed over to whoever is in charge of leasing that particular section of corridor (e.g. Metromarket). Arcading, when necessary, should be done with corbelling or vaulting along the ceiling: this architectural feature dissipates the psychological sensation of overbearing weight.


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