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Austinlee Jan 11, 2012 8:16 PM

"The Pittsburgh Riverhounds of USL PRO announced today the construction of a $7.5 million stadium to serve as a home field for the franchise. The stadium will be constructed in Station Square, Pittsburgh’s preeminent mixed-use entertainment complex, with a completion date set for summer 2012. The stadium will operate year-round and host games and tournaments in soccer, football, lacrosse, rugby, and softball for youth, high school, college and pro teams, but will only have permanent field markings for soccer. It will also maintain the location as an outdoor venue for concerts and community events to replace an outdoor amphitheater that has operated on the site for years. The stadium will seat approximately 3,500 individuals on the south and east sides of the field. The north side of the field will remain open to the bike trail running parallel to the river as well as the City, which will create a breathtaking backdrop for the main event."

http://uslpro.uslsoccer.com/home/589757.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ndsstadium.png
www.riverhounds.com

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...umentrance.png
wtae.com

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...tadiumview.png
wtae.com

Austinlee Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM

By the way, here's a pretty cool new house being built on Mount Washington. It's UC but it's already on the market for sale in the multilist. $850,000

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ffstmtwash.jpg
details: http://wpn.mlxchange.com/DotNet/Pub/...76&s=WPN&t=WPN

Austinlee Jan 11, 2012 8:20 PM

Here's Otto Milk Condos coming along. Before and after shots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...hotodotcom.jpg
flikr user: preservationphoto.com

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...-perfessor.jpg
flikr user: perfessor

Austinlee Jan 11, 2012 8:27 PM

Here's some good shots of the Gates Center for Computer Science in Oakland after completion.
All photos by: Timothy Hursley

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...atescenter.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...centerrear.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ushbridge2.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...aushbridge.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...teriorview.png

Jonboy1983 Jan 11, 2012 9:42 PM

Where is the Otto's Milk Factory? Is that in the vecinity of Lawrenceville? That's rather BOSS-looking.:rock:

BrianTH Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonboy1983 (Post 5546108)
Where is the Otto's Milk Factory? Is that in the vecinity of Lawrenceville? That's rather BOSS-looking.:rock:

The Strip, 2400 block of Smallman.

TBone7281 Jan 11, 2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PA Pride (Post 5545935)
Here's Otto Milk Condos coming along. Before and after shots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...-perfessor.jpg
flikr user: perfessor

Any idea when that was taken? I walk by there 4 days a week (including 3 hours ago) and haven't noticed it looking that good. :haha:

Austinlee Jan 11, 2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonboy1983 (Post 5546108)
Where is the Otto's Milk Factory? Is that in the vecinity of Lawrenceville? That's rather BOSS-looking.:rock:

Well, it's halfway between downtown & lawrenceville pretty much.

Austinlee Jan 11, 2012 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TBone7281 (Post 5546270)
Any idea when that was taken? I walk by there 4 days a week (including 3 hours ago) and haven't noticed it looking that good. :haha:

Really? I thought that was a photo. Must be more of a rendering! It was supposed to be completed in 2009 originally. I don't get to the strip district very often to verify.

TBone7281 Jan 12, 2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PA Pride (Post 5546320)
Really? I thought that was a photo. Must be more of a rendering! It was supposed to be completed in 2009 originally. I don't get to the strip district very often to verify.

Well, it's definitely a photo, but I think it's been at least touched up some. There is a white BMW X3 in the parking lot in the background (right under the US Steel Building) that dates the source pic to 2011. (A guy I work with just bought it last year.)

I took this 12/28/2011.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6...80a95399_b.jpg


If I remember I'll get a picture tomorrow from the angle that the "rendering" or whatever is from. They were working on it last year and they haven't touched in a while so maybe it is done and I'm just not very observant. :D

Austinlee Jan 12, 2012 12:55 AM

^Yeah, get a similar angle picture. That would be great.
I'm thinking they touched up the street level of the photo to make it look cleaner.

BrianTH Jan 12, 2012 3:02 AM

I'm thinking you could get a lot of that look just playing with the color.

Wiz Khalifa Jan 12, 2012 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianTH (Post 5545718)
Of course it is a somewhat challenging location given the narrowing gap between Carson and the riverfront railway. That said, I don't see a $7 million stadium necessarily being the final long-term use of that parcel--if and when that parcel is actually needed for higher-value development, that wouldn't be much of a sunk cost to write off.

Given that analysis, this seem like a positive, albeit perhaps temporary, step forward. I certainly think it will improve the aesthetics from the riverfront trail, Downtown, Point Park, and the North Shore, and it may also be a useful and complementary venue within the overall complex of venues around the Point.


Yeah, I'm not following the argument that since this isn't a high value use of the land so it shouldn't get built at all. Sounds like some sort of reverse NIMBYism to me.

Maybe if this was one of the last few available riverfront parcels in the area I could see it being an issue, but it's not. There is literally over a mile of poorly underutilized riverfront from the Station Square garage all the way down to the West End bridge. Anything that gets built in this area will automatically be an improvement to what was there before, especially if it draws people in from the rest of the city.

There is still plenty of room for higher density development next to the field, so why leave the area in crap condition while waiting for it to magically materialize? If you think about it, this field could be a catalyst for bringing high value development to this area.

themaguffin Jan 12, 2012 5:35 PM

it's not reserve NIMBYism.

There are countless places to put a field like that. There is NO reason to put it there.

Conversely, that is prime land for centralized, smart urban, housing, or office space.. or both.

Evergrey Jan 12, 2012 6:21 PM

I don't think the Riverhounds stadium is the worst idea in the world. While a centrally located riverfront, that is a somewhat awkwardly narrow site for development. And given the tight financing environment, our collective dream of Station Square condo towers may never materialize.


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Originally Posted by themaguffin (Post 5547298)
it's not reserve NIMBYism.

There are countless places to put a field like that. There is NO reason to put it there.

Conversely, that is prime land for centralized, smart urban, housing, or office space.. or both.

There are plenty of reasons to place it there... especially when you think about it from the perspective of the Riverhounds.

1. Station Square is an entertainment complex. PNC Park and Heinz Field are just across the river... so this fits in with a riverfront "stadium district".

2. While there are "countless places" to put a field... few places insert the anonymous Riverhounds into the collective consciousness of Pittsburgh like a highly-visible riverfront stadium next to Downtown and the confluence. The rivers, downtown skyline and Station Square amenities will be instrumental in driving attendance in what is to date an untested soccer market. This will be huge for the growth of the Riverhounds franchise... and 3,500 seats is probably too conservative.

3. It's another pleasant diversion destination for Pittsburghers... adding to quality of life and riverfront revitalization... and should contribute to businesses in Station Square and elsewhere in the vicinity.

4. It's a dramatic improvement over what is there now. Who knows how long we'd have to wait for the macroeconomic climate to get back to normal?

PGHFan Jan 12, 2012 6:42 PM

"There is NO reason to put it there."

If the soccer team owns the land and wants to build a soccer stadium with their money, then that seems reason enough to me.

Wiz Khalifa Jan 12, 2012 8:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themaguffin (Post 5547298)
it's not reserve NIMBYism.

There are countless places to put a field like that. There is NO reason to put it there.

Conversely, that is prime land for centralized, smart urban, housing, or office space.. or both.

Actually, there are a lot of good reasons to put it there and Evergrey mentioned some of them. The only reason against putting it there so far is based off of the misguided notion that if this stadium gets built, there will suddenly no longer be any space for high density development in Station Square.

If developers do eventually decide they want to build a high density condo district in Station Square, there will still be a ton of empty space available to build it on. The best parcel for it would not even be in the vicinity of the field, but on the parking lots across the street from the T station.

TBone7281 Jan 12, 2012 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PA Pride (Post 5545935)
Here's Otto Milk Condos coming along. Before and after shots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...-perfessor.jpg
flikr user: perfessor

Today:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6...9bd489aa_b.jpg

I'm starting to think the difference is really just that the weather is only that nice like 4 days out of the year. :haha:

TBone7281 Jan 12, 2012 8:31 PM

Lot 24 update, taken 1/12/2012: Still digging.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6...e74f6418_b.jpg

Evergrey Jan 12, 2012 8:33 PM

The ubiquitous Pittsburgh overhead utilities were removed from perfesser's photo.


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