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Old Posted Feb 9, 2012, 2:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Architect View Post
The Eglinton crosstown more than accounts for future growth, if you read anything about it you would know that. The LRT is exactly what is needed there, anything more would have been a waste of money. There have been many studies While we're wasting money on the Sheppard stubway why don't we build a subway on Trafalgar road in Oakville as well? I'm just glad the proper transit plan is back and Finch gets an LRT again like they deserved!
I hope you are going to be the first one to rely on these LRT lines architect, and not hop in your car??????? Oh wait you probably won't because you won't be willing to sit on an LRT for a 45 minute trip which only takes 10 minutes by car.

By the way, studies can be made to show what you want. Funny how studies in the 80's supported subways. You build for the demand you. Of course LRT is going to handle projected loads, because hardly anyone is attracted to it. When the LRT on Eglinton was switched to a fully grade separated system, ridership projections skyrocketed.

Really, this building for meeting present needs is total nonsense. If we did this during the time Toronto was building subways, we would not even have a subway under Yonge Street today.

Some stats:

FINCH WEST LRT
23.4 km
Projected to carry 68,000 riders a day.
Current ridership on buses 35,000 riders a day.
New ridership a day: 33,000


The Eglinton - Scarborough Crosstown LRT Subway
25 KM of fully grade separated transit
Projected to carry 279,000 riders a day. Over 205,000 to be new riders.

Projected ridership for the Eglinton - Scarborough Crosstown would likely be much higher than projections, given Toronto's success with rapid transit ridership.


SHEPPARD SUBWAY
6.5 km
Daily ridership: 45,000
Daily Ridership on bus services between Yonge and Don Mills, before the subway opened: 12,000
New ridership a day: 33,000

Sheppard LRT
14 km
Projected daily ridership: 47,000
Current ridership on bus service in the corridor: 30,000
New ridership a day: 17,000

Note that the Sheppard LRT is over double the length of the Sheppard subway.


Like my friend says. Toronto transit advocates who are in the Church of LRT are seriously hurting Toronto and setting us back decades in the transit department. We are now about to spend $8 billion on a plan that gives people a slightly nicer seat to sit on, yet no other advantages. Commute times will stay the same, and people will actually be getting less frequent service than the current buses.
Great way to spend $8 billion.

What is going to happen is in 25 years everyone is going to say we made a big mistake. Just like what happened with the SRT.
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