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Originally Posted by Crawford
There is absolutely no "dense suburbia opposite from Manhattan" in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx, and certaintly no "sidewalks here and there".
Those neighborhoods are significantly denser/more urban than anywhere else in North America excepting Manhattan. There are millions of people living in extreme density in those neighborhoods, while no other metro in U.S./Canada has more than about 100k residents living at such densities.
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Let me rephrase that since I knew deep down it would be taken like that. Opposite to Manhattan meant farther away. For example, the "suburban" parts of Brooklyn and Queens that are closer to the Atlantic than to the East River and the newer parts of the Bronx. The places with a lot of duplexes and single family homes on a dense grid with commercial streets here and there. Areas right outside Coney Island. Those parts of NYC aren't Manhattan or even adjacent Brooklyn/ Queens type density, but they are still pretty dense and walkable and the core neighborhoods of quite a few other cities in this country still growing can aspire to those heights and be relatively fine.
This isn't degrading NYC. In fact, it's showing that the city isn't just an extremely dense place with skyscrapers and tall apartments everywhere. Much of New York is like that, but much of the relatively new parts are great dense lower-scale urban layouts for people who did not want to stay couped up in tentaments and projects all their lives if they couldn't afford a penthouse or brownstone.