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Old Posted Jun 24, 2009, 3:08 PM
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It isn't like the town is under siege. There is other land around the community, there are other roads leading out of the town. Native people have as much right to a normal life as residents of Caledonia, but many native people live in poverty, even in Southern Ontario. Caledonians should instead press the government to find a solution to this dispute instead of threatening violence.
Sure they have a right to a normal life like other Canadians, but no one has a 'right' to not be in poverty. You've got your whole notion of human rights very screwed up, Vid.

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URGE GOVERNMENT ACTION! Holy fuck what a crazy notion! I must be batshit insane!
That IS a crazy notion. They've been trying it and it hasn't worked.

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And this is where a stunning example of ignorance shines through. You honestly think that when someone has a child the entire world starts anew and everyone is equal? The social issues plaguing aboriginals today originate with what was done to their ancestors years ago!
There is no such thing as equality. Nothing on this earth is inherently equal, much less entitled to be equal. Not individuals, and not groups. I would love to win the 100m sprint in the Olympics, but I am just not as fast as Donavon Bailey.

What more needs to be done to make the natives economically equal, Vid? They get free education and don't have to pay any taxes. A native person could be living in Winnipeg, have no connection to their aboriginal culture and still be entitled to these benefits because of their race. Is that equality? It is amazing what the Canadian education system does to people.

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How would Caledonians like it if the Six Nations could, on a whim, decide to move them all to Port Dover, because they "had other intentions for the land"? The Canadian government (and its predecessor governments) did that many times to First Nations communities. Forced relocations, removal of land and rights, forced assimilation and abuse in schools and from members of the community created and continue to exacerbate these problems.
I have no problems with Natives fighting for land they have a legitimate claim on, but what does economic equality have anything to do with it?

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You know that their tax-free status, free education and housing and so on are entrenched in the very agreements that allow Canada to legally exist on this land, right?

What they are doing isn't right but countering their wrong with another is even worse. Forming a militia will only exacerbate the gravity of the situation and probably result in deaths, and that's the last thing we need. This country needs a better way to deal with land claims disputes, and it needs non-native people to press for this because the government never gives a shit about native issues when natives bring them up themselves.
Forming militias does not create deaths. People create deaths. In the Soviet Union, the citizens had their firearms taken away, but the KGB still had their's. Under that government, more people were systematically killed than any other in recent history (and yes, a lot more people died in gulags than in Nazi concentration camps).
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