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Old Posted Sep 3, 2010, 9:16 PM
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Palm Trees of Canada

Yes, there are palm trees in Canada, but of course they are along the west coast of BC, mostly along the east side of Vancouver Island (Victoria and Nanaimo) the Vancouver area and the sunshine coast north of Vancouver. They are primarily the windmill palm, but there are also Cordylines and two species of banana. I believe in the mildest areas there are a few other varieties that are able to survive as well, but they require more attention than the ones listed above.

Anyways, here is the tour!

We will start in Victoria, which actually by far has the most palms but i only have a few pics of:

This one was taken in early March, Victoria's climate is actually classified as sub Mediterranean due to its ild winters and dry summers.

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These pics were taken in April










Now to Vancouver, which I have many many more pics of!

Here are a bunch at an older apartment complex in the Kits area.









These are the palms that most people see when they come to Vancouver, for they are in English Bay, a popular tourist trap. In fact as i was taking these pictures (these ones are from yesterday) I overheard an American couple from Martha's Vineyard exclaiming that there are palm trees in Canada!









Looks like a jungle! (This one is my favorite of the day)





Have to love Vancouver!



















These next ones are outside of an apartment building near English Bay







This one looks like a scene right out of southern Europe to me



The famous Blenz Palm Tree



The High School across the street



And now on Robson Street










Now here are a few from my neck of the woods, Maple Ridge, a burb of Van














These ones are from Sechelt, a small town on the Snshine Coast, north of Vancouver.














And last but not least, here is a pic of the Arbutus tree, which is native to the south Coast of BC. It is a beautiful tree and is evergreen. It is by far Canada's most exotic native tree.



Al pics are my own!

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I don’t see how this has anything to do about cities or architecture but windmill palms and banana trees are located in eastern Canada as well. In the past few years’ hardy tropicals are popping up all over the place. In Niagara on the Lake there are a few windmill and needle palms plus monkey puzzle trees (unprotected). Banana trees have been used as perennials in southern Ontario since I was a kid.
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Gardening is a big part of urban landscapes That is how it ties in.

But I do know that growing a palm in Ontario obviously takes much more work, and they will be far more stunted / grow slower than that of Vancouver or Victoria. The same as growing a palm in new York takes a lot more work than growing one in Seattle, which has the same climate as Vancouver.
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Gardening is a big part of urban landscapes That is how it ties in.

But I do know that growing a palm in Ontario obviously takes much more work, and they will be far more stunted / grow slower than that of Vancouver or Victoria. The same as growing a palm in new York takes a lot more work than growing one in Seattle, which has the same climate as Vancouver.
It really depends what kind of palms. Most of them prefer heat(it's a palms after all) so they will grow faster in Ontario than in Victoria/Vancouver but it will need protection in winter.

For example the needle palm:
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Needle Palms need hot, humid summer temperatures to thrive and the species does not grow well in the Pacific Northwest.
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I really dislike the idea of palm trees in Canada. It just seems so unnatural and doesn't go with the landscape/architecture in any way.
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I really dislike the idea of palm trees in Canada. It just seems so unnatural and doesn't go with the landscape/architecture in any way.
I don't get this complaint. For the most part, the types of palms occurring in these photos are naturally found in colder climates. Just because some people associate palms with tropical climates doesn't take away the simple fact that this plant species has adapted over the course of time to be sustainable in less than tropical environments. And yet on the west coast of Canada, where the climate actually is quite mild, it's wrong for them to be grown there? Granted the palms aren't original to the area, but I'd be surprised if there are many locations anywhere in the world that *only* have growing plants that are original to their area. I think their use in the landscaping seen in some of these photos is quite nice.

(The banana palms seem a little more odd, but if people are willing to put in the work to have them there, I say more power to them... I'm all for increasing greenery within cities.)
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I don't get this complaint. For the most part, the types of palms occurring in these photos are naturally found in colder climates. Just because some people associate palms with tropical climates doesn't take away the simple fact that this plant species has adapted over the course of time to be sustainable in less than tropical environments. And yet on the west coast of Canada, where the climate actually is quite mild, it's wrong for them to be grown there? Granted the palms aren't original to the area, but I'd be surprised if there are many locations anywhere in the world that *only* have growing plants that are original to their area. I think their use in the landscaping seen in some of these photos is quite nice.

(The banana palms seem a little more odd, but if people are willing to put in the work to have them there, I say more power to them... I'm all for increasing greenery within cities.)
Do the coastal areas of the US have pallm trees too? I haven't seen too many.
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I really dislike the idea of palm trees in Canada. It just seems so unnatural and doesn't go with the landscape/architecture in any way.
Have you seen the landscape of most of Southern BC? Identical to Southern/Central California pretty much
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Nice pictures. It is still strange for me to see palm trees in Canada, even though they can grow there.

What is that more lush, more tropical-looking palm called? Is it a banana palm? We have some of those here in Delaware (another place where palm trees look out of place) in people's yards, but I never knew what type they were.
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Yep, those are banana trees, here you simply stick them in the ground and they grow back every year (they die back usually in November, or December in southern BC, depending on where you are, when the temperature drops below -2 C (28 F) for the first time). So all growth there is one years worth of growth. But here their roots don't freeze.

Last year, during our really hot summer, some people actually had a few bearing fruit (of course really small), such as my neighbors down the street. Our long frost free season helps them a lot.

There are two types that can grow here though, the first is the pure green one (the most common) and it is the most hardy, and that is likely the one you see in Delaware. The other is the one with the mixed green / purple leaves you can see in a couple of my pics, they are less frost hardy but still do fine here.

Obviously all of the exotics here are outside year round (many of my pics shown are taken in early March and early April for example).

Many of the windmill palms shown have grown much larger over the past 10 years (when i first started taking an interest in them) A few of them, as shown in a couple pics, are approaching 30 feet tall.
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Thnks for clearing that up for me.

One thing that I forgot to add is that that arbutus tree looks great. It looks like something I would expect to see in Australia.
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I really dislike the idea of palm trees in Canada. It just seems so unnatural and doesn't go with the landscape/architecture in any way.
Nor does it go with all those crazies that mug you in the middle of the day. The type so intimidating that you don't even chase them down to get your stuff back. Am I right, or am I right?
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I really dislike the idea of palm trees in Canada. It just seems so unnatural and doesn't go with the landscape/architecture in any way.
There are numerous cities around the world including San Francisco where they aren't native to the area.

It does seem kind of weird, but to me they're just like adding park benches or art, etc...
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SW Ontario: Windmill palms survive ?

Hi Metro-One,

Thanks for posting more pictures of Windmill palms, especially pictures in the winter.

I really enjoyed the pictures you posted, along with others. Had I not found your thread, I would never have realized there are palms trees in Canada, thanks for creating this thread.

Do you know where else in BC these windmill palms survive outdoors in terms of areas colder than Vancouver (zone 8a).

I am trying to see if they will survive outdoors without protection in southern and SW Ontario in the future.

Toronto: 6a (not downtown)
Toronto: 6b (downtown, near lake Ontario)
Niagara region: 6b
Windsor/SW Ontario: 6b-7a
St Catharines just West of Niagara Falls: 7a Surprise !

I am hoping one day when tourists from the US visiting SW Ontario or Niagara Falls will exclaim (as your earlier post) "Wow, Ontario has palm trees ... ! "

Thank you !

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Hi Metro-One,

Thanks for posting more pictures of Windmill palms, especially pictures in the winter.

I really enjoyed the pictures you posted, along with others. Had I not found your thread, I would never have realized there are palms trees in Canada, thanks for creating this thread.

Do you know where else in BC these windmill palms survive outdoors in terms of areas colder than Vancouver (zone 8a).

I am trying to see if they will survive outdoors without protection in southern and SW Ontario in the future.

Toronto: 6a (not downtown)
Toronto: 6b (downtown, near lake Ontario)
Niagara region: 6b
Windsor/SW Ontario: 6b-7a
St Catharines just West of Niagara Falls: 7a Surprise !

As far as I know there is no 7a zone in Southern Ontario. At least the Natural Resources Canada site don't show it, but it does show the very small 5b area on the South shore of Montreal which is no bigger than downtown Toronto. (this is the only 5b zone in Quebec, aside from the Magdalene islands)


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Zones in SW/S Ontario

I know, it's very confusing as I found conflicting websites as well. Some shows Windsor 6b whereas some shows Windsor 7a, St Catharines 7a, some even shows Pelee Island 7b ... Wow !

This website shows Windsor, St Catharines, Niagara Falls 7a, Pelee Island 7b
http://www.veseys.com/ca/en/learn/re...7mhnaoe012q070

This website shows St Catharines 7a, Windsor & Niagara Falls 6b
http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive...diness-map.php

But in both websites, St Catharines (Niagara-On-The-Lake) is in 7a.
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There are numerous cities around the world including San Francisco where they aren't native to the area.

It does seem kind of weird, but to me they're just like adding park benches or art, etc...
I don't know what's weird about palm trees existing in a city like Vancouver with it's mild weather (albeit a fair bit of rain). I remember the city planting some palms on a median in Victoria years ago (they've flourished since) and there being a bit of an uproar over putting in a plant that wasn't indigenous to the area. I laughed knowing that palms aren't even indigenous to the city that made them famous in North America-Los Angeles.
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Well palm trees are not native to San Franciso either, (same with most of Europe where on can find them, and even areas such as South Africa the majority of the palms are not native) so you must not like them there as well.

So how do palms go with the land scape and architecture there?

Especially given that the biogeoclimate zone of Victoria and San Fran are far more similar than you think. Victoria is in the Douglas Fir, Arbutus, Garry Oak ecosystem with Garry Oak meadows. This is a common ecosystem found throughout Northern, and even central California along the coast. In fact one can even find the prickly pear cactus growing in the driest hillside of southern Vancouver Island. Again, it is classified as sub Mediterranean.

I also fail to see how it does not match the architecture since many of the buildings in these posts are quite similar to those found in California (especially the condos around English Bay, which have actually been used as Miami stand ins for several TV shows) Not to mention several of the buildings in the pictures also have red tiled roofs, very Mediterranean looking IMO.

I think it may simply go against your pre-conceived notion of Canada. I had a friend who came from Japan to Canada to study English and he really did not enjoy staying in Vancouver, because before he came into Canada he had it in his head that all Canadian cities were akin to small rural towns, so to him it was unfitting that Vancouver was a multi-million person city with large office towers and a metro system.

What I like to show in my photo threads is that not everywhere in Canada is the stereotypical "Canadian" image

Here is another photo thread I posted recently about the semi-desert regions in BC just 3 hours east of Vancouver:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=183264

Please take a look at that one as well
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Nice photos. Windmill palms are surprisingly hardy, down to -15C (5F). I love their skinny, hairy trunks. They can't handle the summer heat too well where I'm at.
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Well palm trees are not native to San Franciso either, (same with most of Europe where on can find them, and even areas such as South Africa the majority of the palms are not native) so you must not like them there as well.

So how do palms go with the land scape and architecture there?

Especially given that the biogeoclimate zone of Victoria and San Fran are far more similar than you think. Victoria is in the Douglas Fir, Arbutus, Garry Oak ecosystem with Garry Oak meadows. This is a common ecosystem found throughout Northern, and even central California along the coast. In fact one can even find the prickly pear cactus growing in the driest hillside of southern Vancouver Island. Again, it is classified as sub Mediterranean.

I also fail to see how it does not match the architecture since many of the buildings in these posts are quite similar to those found in California (especially the condos around English Bay, which have actually been used as Miami stand ins for several TV shows) Not to mention several of the buildings in the pictures also have red tiled roofs, very Mediterranean looking IMO.

I think it may simply go against your pre-conceived notion of Canada. I had a friend who came from Japan to Canada to study English and he really did not enjoy staying in Vancouver, because before he came into Canada he had it in his head that all Canadian cities were akin to small rural towns, so to him it was unfitting that Vancouver was a multi-million person city with large office towers and a metro system.

What I like to show in my photo threads is that not everywhere in Canada is the stereotypical "Canadian" image

Here is another photo thread I posted recently about the semi-desert regions in BC just 3 hours east of Vancouver:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=183264

Please take a look at that one as well

I think "destroycreate" is just upset because he got mugged in Vancouver and didn't even have the self-respect to chase the guy down.
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