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Old Posted: Apr 29, 2012, 8:09 PM
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NYC is too dependent on the financial industry, and should diversify

Wall Street Isn’t Enough


By Edward L. Glaeser

Read More: http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_2_ny-finance.html

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In 2008, 44 percent of Manhattan wages were earned by workers in finance and insurance; the following year, even after the financial crisis and economic downturn had battered the industry, that share stood at a still-enormous 37 percent. And the track record of one-industry towns isn’t good.

- No matter how loudly Chrysler’s provocative Super Bowl ad heralded Detroit’s comeback, the Motor City’s population dropped by a quarter over the last decade and now stands at 39 percent of its 1950 peak. In Russia, Soviet-era monocities like Norilsk, a mining hub, are emblems of urban decline. Economic data, bearing out what those examples suggest, show a positive link between industrial diversity and long-run urban success. New York shouldn’t try to hold finance back, of course, but it should try to reduce the cost and regulatory barriers that limit the growth of other sectors.

- I spent my childhood in Manhattan, from 1967 until 1984. New York’s economy was far more diverse then than it is today. My friends’ parents were hardly a proper cross-section of the city, but they nevertheless represented a remarkable array of different industries: there were editors and philosophers, art dealers and jewelers, judges and doctors. Show-business parents, including Broadway composers and a character actor best known for a modest role in Shaft, added glamour. Developers and landlords added grit. I can’t recall a single investment banker in the bunch. But then, the city had been diverse for centuries.

- The most important reason for New York’s continuing economic diversity was the city’s massive scale, which generated plenty of homegrown entrepreneurship and attracted entrepreneurs from elsewhere as well. New York was an early hub of automobile production and the film industry, for example, and though they eventually left town, they helped make the city diverse during their early years. Even when companies were born in the Midwest, their chieftains often moved their headquarters to New York to be part of a great agglomeration of business services and financiers, as John D. Rockefeller did with Standard Oil in 1885. The oil industry’s presence in New York infused the city with a little prospecting swagger and gave the oil industry a taste for culture, explaining why Mobil financed Masterpiece Theater programs for years.

- Most of America’s older ports—Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, San Francisco—shared New York’s industrial variety. America’s inland cities were another story. Most of them exploded in the nineteenth century because they offered a huge natural advantage that couldn’t be ignored, such as nearby coal mines or cornfields. St. Louis, Cincinnati, Chicago, and Minneapolis, all in the grain business in a big way, were dominated by agriculture-related firms. These inland cities became even less diverse in the early twentieth century, when the country moved to manufacturing. Industry located in the inland metropolises for several reasons: sometimes to be near local entrepreneurs, like Henry Ford; sometimes because the older ports were too pricey for the acreage-intensive manufacturing of large industrial products; and sometimes because industry needed local inputs that were easily available in the Rust Belt.

- Finance has existed in New York for centuries, but its current dominance dates to the late 1970s, when it was a crucial component of the troubled city’s resurgence. Over the next few decades, Manhattan financiers pioneered innovations—quantitative approaches to evaluating risk; ever-larger leveraged buyouts; the securitization revolution—that made finance considerably more lucrative. Just as Henry Ford’s immense success had led automobile production to dominate early-twentieth-century Detroit, Wall Street earnings meant that finance played an ever-larger role in late-twentieth-century and early-twenty-first-century New York. And just like Detroit’s auto industry, New York finance became concentrated in fewer, bigger firms.

- As finance’s success drove up rents, many businesses in other sectors had to leave Manhattan. Between 1998 and 2008, the island lost more than 75,000 jobs in manufacturing, transportation and warehousing, and wholesale trade. Offsetting that decline was a gain of more than 100,000 jobs in consumer industries— retail, food and accommodation, and arts and entertainment—catering to well-heeled residents and tourists. (While that’s diversification of a sort, it’s hard to imagine that Manhattan can sustain itself primarily as an entertainment hub.)

- Other economists and urbanists, however, argue that a city’s long-term success depends on its hosting many industries, since real breakthroughs pull ideas from more than one field. More than 40 years ago, Jane Jacobs argued in The Economy of Cities that new ideas came from combining old ideas. Nighttime baseball combines baseball with electric lighting; graphic computer interfaces merge old-fashioned pictures with basic computing functions. Michael Bloomberg became a high-tech billionaire not in Silicon Valley but in New York, thanks to his firsthand knowledge of what technology a stock trader needed at his desk. To innovate, in Jacobs’s view, you often need to borrow the insights of another occupation—and since diverse cities contain many occupations, they should encourage more leaps of insight.

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New York officials hope that a planned applied-science campus on Roosevelt Island will foster the growth of a new industry.

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Old Posted: Apr 29, 2012, 10:02 PM
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Yep, most of the Ivy League graduates just end up as financial assistants to Wall Street gurus. As long as the other boroughs continue to gain more importance, NYC will most likely have to offer more specialties. I'm going to Columbia after my bachelor years to gain a MD. If they are still thinking of putting a hospital/medical facility in the new WTC, I'm in.
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Old Posted: Apr 30, 2012, 12:23 AM
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I wouldn't worry too much. A high-desire place like Manhattan will stay relatively full as long as the desire is there.

Of course it needs very high rents to make the economics of development work. But the existing stuff will be occupied. If 20% of the payroll went away tomorrow, obviously rents would drop but a lot of people would jump at the new deals.
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I think in 20-25 years NY can definitely dominate the current tech hubs in the US if they keep at it, but i think that NY will always be known for its finance industry
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New York is a financial center, it always has been and always will be. Secondary to this is media, but that's a far less profitable business overall.

And there's a bit of a paradox involved in that, as long as Wall Street continues to thrive, the city will be too expensive for certain other industries to locate here. But if Wall Street falters (not for a couple of years of crisis, but begins a secular decline), the city can attract other industries to take its place.

I don't see that happening though. The business of providing and allocating capital will not go away, and it has no real reason to leave NYC.
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New York is a financial center, it always has been and always will be. Secondary to this is media, but that's a far less profitable business overall.

And there's a bit of a paradox involved in that, as long as Wall Street continues to thrive, the city will be too expensive for certain other industries to locate here. But if Wall Street falters (not for a couple of years of crisis, but begins a secular decline), the city can attract other industries to take its place.

I don't see that happening though. The business of providing and allocating capital will not go away, and it has no real reason to leave NYC.
^ And as long as the American public bails out its premiere industry when they screw up, NYC should be just fine
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New York is a financial center, it always has been and always will be. Secondary to this is media, but that's a far less profitable business overall.

And there's a bit of a paradox involved in that, as long as Wall Street continues to thrive, the city will be too expensive for certain other industries to locate here. But if Wall Street falters (not for a couple of years of crisis, but begins a secular decline), the city can attract other industries to take its place.

I don't see that happening though. The business of providing and allocating capital will not go away, and it has no real reason to leave NYC.
New York has always been a financial center but forty years ago finance was not the city's largest industry.
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New York has always been a financial center but forty years ago finance was not the city's largest industry.
Forty years ago finance was not this country's largest industry.
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Forty years ago finance was not this country's largest industry.
Nor is it today.
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Shouldn't all cities diversify?
If it only it was so easy. But as has been said, probably a bit easier for NYC than Miami or San Diego.
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I have always kinda felt NYC was pretty diverse. Was a bit surprised to see that 37% of the jobs in NYC were in finance, and that was even up to 44% a few years ago. If I would have guessed it would have been way off @ something like 20-25%.

What are some of the more diverse 1M+ cities?

If 37% of NYC jobs are in finance then I would guess that LA would be far more diverse and NYC has fared far better than LA throughout this recession. Dallas is also pretty diverse, though it fared extremely well. So don't really know what those two examples would tell me. lol.
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I have always kinda felt NYC was pretty diverse. Was a bit surprised to see that 37% of the jobs in NYC were in finance, and that was even up to 44% a few years ago. If I would have guessed it would have been way off @ something like 20-25%.
Its not 37% of jobs, its 37% of wages. One upper level hedge fund dude earns as much as several thousand baristas combined.
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I have always kinda felt NYC was pretty diverse. Was a bit surprised to see that 37% of the jobs in NYC were in finance, and that was even up to 44% a few years ago. If I would have guessed it would have been way off @ something like 20-25%.

What are some of the more diverse 1M+ cities?

If 37% of NYC jobs are in finance then I would guess that LA would be far more diverse and NYC has fared far better than LA throughout this recession. Dallas is also pretty diverse, though it fared extremely well. So don't really know what those two examples would tell me. lol.
Is the 37% just for Manhattan or all of NYC?
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Is the 37% just for Manhattan or all of NYC?
Article says Manhattan in first line. I don't think anyone in NYC is surprised by this, and as others mentioned, I don't see this changing drastically in the near future. Can't really compare it to cities dominated by a commodity or tourism, I think it's far more stable.
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This article is ridiculous. NY is the media capital of the US (all four networks are based here), the publishing capital, the advertising capital, home to the UN....
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This article is ridiculous. NY is the media capital of the US (all four networks are based here),
Hah. I thought it was pretty undisputed that L.A. is the media capitol of the U.S, if not the world. Every single movie studio is based here, and many, many, many smaller TV channels. Moreover, Activision and THQ are based in L.A., which are two of the three biggest video game publishers. Also, music. L.A. is home to many of the biggest music labels in the world. Lastly, L.A. controls the porn market, which is prolly, as far as many people are concerned, the only market that really matters

But not to make this city vs. city, New York clearly has L.A. beat in many, many, areas, including healthcare, finance, and news media. I just don't think it is fair to say that New York is the media capital of the U.S when that is clearly not the case.
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^ Depends on your definition of media.

I would argue that LA is the entertainment capital, not a media capital. Movie studios aren't media companies.
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This article is ridiculous. NY is the media capital of the US (all four networks are based here), the publishing capital, the advertising capital, home to the UN....

What about all those idustries that contribute to our cultural prowess. While it doesn't have the wealth concentrating power of the street, no city keeps the money in the family like New York does. The houses of fashion, the restaurant industry, visual arts, and of course music (from the many orchestras all the way to hiphop production companies)--all employ thousands and thousands of people.
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After reading through the first page and this crap article...I think the last 4 or 5 comments sum up what I was thinking. Such smarties on here...love it.
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Its not 37% of jobs, its 37% of wages. One upper level hedge fund dude earns as much as several thousand baristas combined.
Ah! Ok, that I can easily believe. Makes a whole lot more sense to me. Not sure how I read 'jobs' and not 'wages' other than it was pretty late. lol.

I wonder if the percentages of jobs that are in finance has grown over the time period they are talking about (last 40 years) or if the huge separation in wealth that has taken place in that time could be inflating that number. Obviously that the super rice in this country make so much more than the rest of the population that separation has grown by so much and Wall Street has been a big part of that. As OWS showed.

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Is the 37% just for Manhattan or all of NYC?
Seems kinda silly to me to just use Manhattan, but you're right. It says Manhattan. To just use a part of NYC and then compare that part to whole cities like Detroit. Though to me fair, Manhattan is a pretty dang big part, and the suburbs outside of Detroit are doing better.
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