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Old 04-03-2007, 10:19 PM
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you're correct, we did discuss it but i was under the impression that we had not come to a consensus on exactly what was going there. now we know. i'm just happy to see that high profile corner being complete. i live in downtown tempe and pass it almost everyday and for as long as i can remember it's been boarded up.
Yeah, the coldstone moved out of there over 2 years ago.


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Old 04-04-2007, 11:02 AM
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Will the Gelato Spot consume that whole building?
It seems like a big building to only have a Gelato Spot- unless I am thinking of the wrong one?

A Gelato Spot just came to 3rd Ave and Scotts rd in Old Town area and it did wonders for an already thriving area.
Mill is quick becoming quite the the ice-cream sunday/ clean date hot spot.

Plinko- thanks for that rendering- I have been searching for it for a good while now.
I wanted to compare and contrast with the '95 renderings.
-They seem pretty much right on!


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Old 04-04-2007, 11:18 AM
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http://www.azcentral.com/community/t...er0404Z10.html

Condos target international buyers
Katie Nelson
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 4, 2007 12:00 AM

The developers of an estimated 5,000 new downtown Tempe condos are thinking miles outside the box when it comes to wooing potential buyers.

"It's all about exposure," said Justin LaMar.

LaMar is a principal at Kowallis Mackey LaMar Development, the firm behind the 21-story Mosaic building that's planned at University Drive and Ash Avenue.

That exposure has gone international, and upscale.

They've got ads in the Wall Street Journal.

They're handing out fancy salads and beverages at downtown Tempe arts festivals.

They're throwing flashy parties at construction sites, complete with DJs and scaffolding climbing.

One held a contest in Canada where the winner and a guest were flown out for a weekend of Tempe shopping, eating and touring the condo project.

Ads for Tempe high-rise, mid-rise and low-rise condos are popping up in national and local magazines and newspapers. They are increasingly on radio stations and pictured on gargantuan freeway billboards and at bus stops.

Developers are also splashing project names all over events such as Tempe's "Music at the Marina" (Brownstones at Tempe) and the Spring Tempe Festival of the Arts (Centerpoint Condominiums).

And they are creeping into where we shop by way of mall kiosks.


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Old 04-04-2007, 02:53 PM
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OT... How bad is the "new Republic"? I think it just might be the worst paper I've read or picked up, and that includes the azcentral online version...


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Old 04-04-2007, 06:28 PM
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The Darker Side of Development


We always here the good warm and fuzzy stories about all the new buildings and especially Avenue Communities but this recent State Press article seems to show a different view we don't always here about.

Left Behind
As their building continues to fall into disarray, these tenants struggle against being
by Jed Dougherty
published on Wednesday, April 4, 2007

Two years ago a clean, white building with five businesses sat on the corner of Terrace Road and Lemon Street, a block east of campus.

Today the same building looks deserted. Six-foot-high graffiti adorns the walls, windows are boarded up, pipes hang at obtuse angles and the once-lush landscaping is now dirt.

Owners of the four remaining businesses in the building, Plaid Eatery, I-Mart, The Copper Kettle and Devil Wash, said Avenue Communities, which bought the property in November 2005, is responsible for the building's neglect.

Raj Sidhu, owner of Plaid Eatery, said the business owners want a fair deal.

"We just want them to take proper care of the building, landscape the building," he said.

Avenue Communities, the development business that owns Centerpoint Condominiums in downtown Tempe as well as the Hayden Flour Mill, is letting the complex fall apart so it will not have to buy out the businesses' leases, Sidhu said.

Sidhu and the owners of the other businesses said they suspect that Avenue Communities wants them out so that it can build a high rise in place of the current building.

Upkeep has come to a standstill since Avenue Communities bought the complex, Sidhu said.

"They said they were going to repaint," he added. "Instead they put holes in our walls."

Avenue Communities also owns the large lot west of the complex.

"My point of view is very simple: the city knows who owns this building and the old trailer park next door," Sidhu said. "Our old owner told us that they have a plan to demolish this building."

City planning maps have the area listed as a high-density residential area.

Sarmin Suldana, owner of I-mart, pointed out where Avenue Communities workers boarded up windows on his shop.

"There was no reason to close the windows," he said. "They didn't even ask."

Suldana has been trying to sell his shop and had a buyer in September 2006, but Avenue Communities prohibited a new person from taking over the lease.

"They told me, 'You cannot sell it,'" Suldana said. "I have a buyer, I go to the landlord. He says I'm planning on blowing down the building in the future."

Avenue Communities then offered to let him break his lease and move, which they would pay for, he said.

"I'm going to sell my business for $250,000, and they try to give me $500," Suldana said.

Sidhu said he thinks the city is aware of the neglect of the complex and is ignoring it.

"Avenue Communities and the city are sitting face-to-face," he said.

On the southeast corner of Lemon Street and Terrace Road, cattycorner from the building, employees of Hungry Howies and Kohi-Noor said they are regularly warned by the city of various violations.

Tim Claiborne, manager at Hungry Howies, said the business recently had to take a large sign out of its window proclaiming "Three large pizzas for $15.99."

"The city said it was graffiti," Claiborne said.

Meanwhile, painted graffiti adorns the walls of Devil Wash and nothing is done about it, Sidhu said.

J. Paul, owner of Kohi-Noor, said he noticed the unfairness.

"Comparing the two properties, that property is messier and the city doesn't bother them," Paul said.

Rodd Miller, the business owners' contact at Avenue Communities, could not be reached for comment.

"When we call, the new owner doesn't respond at all," Sidhu said.

Jeff Tamulevich, the commercial code compliance supervisor for the city of Tempe, said only one complaint have been received about the building, a graffiti complaint that he said was taken care of months ago.

"To be honest with you, I have no idea who owned that property," Tamulevich said. "Our inspectors in that area are very busy."

Commercial Code Compliance doesn't offer special considerations to anyone, he said.

"If they come in and file a complaint, we will look into the violation," Tamulevich added. "You have to maintain your property."

http://www.statepress.com/issues/2007/04/04/news/700588


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Old 04-04-2007, 09:54 PM
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If not forced out, I do hope Plaid's will end up finding a new location in the area, and not just close down for good. It's a great little, funky bar/ eatery thats been around for years.

Much like a Carly's or Fate, it's these types of places that downtown Tempe and Phoenix (or anywhere in the area) could use a lot more of.


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Old 04-04-2007, 11:23 PM
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Desertdj, you must be an ASU student. I saw the article this morning, while reading a tossed-off state press i found when waiting for my coffee. I was about to post the story myself.

I think it's awful what Avenue Communities is doing to these businesses.


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Old 04-05-2007, 03:54 PM
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I don't know if anyone has posted about this, but there are great site plans for Pier 202 on the City of Tempe website. They were commissioned on 3/13. The site has plans for 9 buildings ranging from 90 to 310ft. Phase I will include 4 buildings from 187 - 310ft! Check out the condo tower roof elevations on pages 83 - 87, awsome!

Here's the link:
http://www.tempe.gov/planning/Agenda...202_031307.pdf


PS - It's 115+ pages, so it takes a minute to open...



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Old 04-05-2007, 06:28 PM
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Interesting, originally slated for 1.15m sq.ft., now it's ballooned up to over 3.6m!

Gross site area 27.38 acres
Building area 3,693,400 s.f. (9 total buildings)
Res. Density 54 dwelling units per acre
Lot Coverage 63%
Building Height 310 feet (maximum)
Landscape area N/A
Vehicle Parking 5,816 spaces provided
Parking Analysis 5,110 spaces required
Tandem Parking 390 spaces (included in total provided)
Compact Stalls 72 spaces (Parcel 2, not included in total provided)
Parcel 1: Residential (105), Office, Retail, & Restaurant
Rural Rd.
Rio Salado Pkwy.
Parcel 2: Residential (384), Retail, & Restaurant
Parcel 3: Residential (302), Retail, & Restaurant
Parcel 4a: Hotel (285), Conference, Spa, Retail, & Restaurant
Parcel 4b: Residential (79)


Over 5,000 parking spaces? Please don't build another garage-mahal. Try going underground, people...


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Old 04-05-2007, 06:43 PM
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Over 5,000 parking spaces? Please don't build another garage-mahal. Try going underground, people...
I read in the report that the parking units would be above and below ground. I think it said a couple of below ground levels and a couple of above ground levels...


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Old 04-05-2007, 06:48 PM
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^Vertex, to put all the parking underground would be prohibitively expensive and likely make the project not pencil. Like it or not, buildings all over the Valley still require parking on a 1:1 ratio (sadly even in DT Tempe).

Underground parking in metro Phoenix:
Patriot's Square (publicly funded)
Scottsdale Civic Center (publicly funded)
Landmark Towers (private)
Scottsdale Business Center (Indian School and Buckboard) (private)

I honestly can't think of anymore. My point is that it's incredibly expensive in the Valley due to local soils conditions. So unfortunately architects just need to come up with more integral (contextual) and interesting designs.


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Old 04-05-2007, 10:33 PM
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It's hard to tell (for me) if they plan on wrapping condos around these garages. Can anybody see from the plans?


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Old 04-05-2007, 10:34 PM
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From the "tell me something I didn't know" file...


Big events drawing more spenders

Betty Beard
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 5, 2007 12:00 AM

Visitors to Tempe are spending about 36 percent more than they did a few years ago, thanks to Mill Avenue, Arizona Mills, the Ford Ironman Arizona and the P.F. Chang's Rock 'N' Roll Marathon.

A survey commissioned by the Tempe Convention & Visitors Bureau found that visitors spent an average $1,305 per trip between the summers of 2005 and 2006, compared with $959 in a 2003 survey.

Much of the increase is due to increased hotel rates, staff said. But Stephanie Nowack, bureau president and chief executive officer, said that expenses on entertainment and sports almost doubled, from $124 to $224 a person.

The marathon and triathlon have become the city's biggest events as far as filling hotel rooms, with each taking up about 3,000 room nights "We concentrate on the amateur and youth market, so the survey reinforces that what we are doing in that area is working," Nowack said.

The Ford Ironman Arizona returns April 15 and is expected to attract more than 1,000 competitors. The bureau estimates its economic impact at $5 million.

The survey also showed that visitors also come to Tempe to visit family and friends, and to shop in the Mill Avenue District and at the Arizona Mills mall.

Arizona Mills has been popular, drawing visitors even from Mexico, because it has "value oriented" stores, including the state's only outlet stores for Neiman Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue, JCPenney and Sears appliances.


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Old 04-06-2007, 04:58 AM
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Plan for split hotel-condo combo

Katie Nelson
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 6, 2007 12:00 AM
Yet another hotel has been announced for Tempe's core - the 10th hotel project that's expected for a city that hasn't had a hotel built in three years.

The barrage of hotel rooms isn't guaranteed. No construction has started.

But if all become reality, they would make Tempe a formidable competitor in the Valley's lucrative upscale tourism industry for the first time.
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They will give Tempe a new ability to offer high-end, high-bed-tax accommodations.

The developer installing the Stadium Tower condominium project at Veterans Way and College Avenue has decided to make one of its two towers into a glitzy boutique hotel.

Originally, the Constellation Properties plan was called The Armory and called for two towers of condos.

The hotel is being launched by two people who were involved in the startup of the swanky W Hotel concept.

Constellation plans to install the new hotel brand elsewhere in the United States, but Tempe will be the first place it's unveiled.

"The new brand of hotel will bring a different level of sophistication and service and the boutique nature of the building will be something that Tempe hasn't seen," said Melinda Speck, a spokeswoman for the company.



Tempe quickly fills downtown hotel needs

Tempe has surpassed the number of hotel rooms that an analyst estimated five years ago that it needs in the downtown district to serve its tourism and business-travel industry.

That city-financed study in 2002 showed that Tempe needed 1,000 to 1,300 more rooms.

With the newest hotel announcement, Tempe will be getting an estimated 1,750 new rooms since the study, well beyond the projected need. They hotels all expected to open over the next five years.

That the goal was met relatively quickly is a victory for Tempe, said Chris Salomone, the city's community development director. But it also presents another worry. Will Tempe be ready?

Salomone cites concern about whether enough retail services will be in place in time, and if they'll be the right kind for an upscale hotel clientele. Even more importantly, the new hotels add another pressing reason why Tempe needs to address its lack of affordable housing, he said. New hotels will bring an influx of low-salaried service-industry jobs and the people to fill them, he said.

"One of the most interesting things about all this is the ramifications," Salomone said. "We need to be thoughtful about all this, as it is happening very quickly and the impacts of hotels and new tourists are significant and will be long term."

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It seems kind of weird that Tempe is getting so many hotel rooms. With out the Fiesta Bowl and the BCS games, it doesn't seem Tempe needs that many rooms. They don't have a convention center, or really any big events, but I guess the Valley in general is low on hotel rooms, so anything will help.


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^Vertex, to put all the parking underground would be prohibitively expensive and likely make the project not pencil. Like it or not, buildings all over the Valley still require parking on a 1:1 ratio (sadly even in DT Tempe).

Underground parking in metro Phoenix:
Patriot's Square (publicly funded)
Scottsdale Civic Center (publicly funded)
Landmark Towers (private)
Scottsdale Business Center (Indian School and Buckboard) (private)

I honestly can't think of anymore.
Renaissance Two, Bank Of America, Wells Fargo, Phelps Dodge.... need me to continue?


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It seems kind of weird that Tempe is getting so many hotel rooms. With out the Fiesta Bowl and the BCS games, it doesn't seem Tempe needs that many rooms. They don't have a convention center, or really any big events, but I guess the Valley in general is low on hotel rooms, so anything will help.
DT Tempe has been way under served for a long time. Events and visitors at ASU alone have driven a lot of this demand. Plus, a lot of the hotels and motels that used to be along Apache Blvd are now gone.

In addition, I suppose developers are gambling that Tempe will be a very convenient place for Phoenix convention attendees to stay.


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In addition, I suppose developers are gambling that Tempe will be a very convenient place for Phoenix convention attendees to stay
Or just business travelers in the Valley, in general. It's a great location that's less than 10 minutes from the airport, with easy access to all the major finacial/business centers in the Valley.

As for the Fiesta Bowl/BSC thing, I think that Tempe has managed that storm. They're turning the Insight Bowl in one of the top 2nd-tier bowl games. Not to mention it's conference affiliations are now with Big10 and Big12 which historically are good traveling teams.


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Not to mention it's conference affiliations are now with Big10 and Big12 which historically are good traveling teams.
Its pretty insane to me that they dumped the Pac 10 from that bowl game. You have 2 schools w/ in a 2 hour drive from the stadium, and 4 schools w/ in a 6 hour drive. But oh well, Pac 10 commissioner Tom Hansen drops the ball again! I can't imagine schools like K-State are going to have bigger showing at the Insight bowl than ASU,UA, UCLA or USC- ah well.


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Its pretty insane to me that they dumped the Pac 10 from that bowl game. You have 2 schools w/ in a 2 hour drive from the stadium, and 4 schools w/ in a 6 hour drive. But oh well, Pac 10 commissioner Tom Hansen drops the ball again! I can't imagine schools like K-State are going to have bigger showing at the Insight bowl than ASU,UA, UCLA or USC- ah well.
if you think a traditional doormat from the midwest (read: nothing else to do) wouldn't out-travel USC you just don't know football. The only school that would out-travel KSU to the insight bowl would be UA, because, they too, suck ass and would sacrifice a Stoops child to sniff the postseason. USC in the insight bowl ... LOL ... there would be 10 fans from LA there ... all agents.


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