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It looks a bit like Sidney, BC but with highrises.
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...the neighbourhoods surrounding downtown (Nanaimo) are very dense, because a lot of the housing is rental and there are many people living in illegal suites.
As far as I can tell by looking at the census tract data, the densest census tract in Nanaimo contains 2,307 people per square km. The map below shows the numbers for the various census tracts in Victoria proper and Oak Bay (population = red, density per square km = blue). The densest census tract in Victoria contains 7,258 people per square km.



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For a "rivalry" you guys are far too civilized. Try reading some Edmonton vs. Calgary, or Toronto vs Everyone Else, flame wars to get into the groove. At this rate, none of you are getting suspended and the mods won't even think about locking this thread. This is SSP, people! Where's your pride, your unthinking chauvinism?!?
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Those are the 2006 census numbers, Scaper. It just goes to show you how all of those old 4-story apartment blocks packed together along Cook Street have produced a reasonable amount of density. Just think, if they had been 8-story apartment blocks instead, the density there would be about 15,000 per square km! At some point I hope to do a similar map for Kelowna and also for certain areas of Vancouver.

I was born and raised in Victoria and lived there until I was almost 30 years old and I can't say I was ever aware of any rivalry between Victoria and Nanaimo. If I recall correctly, Nanaimo had a Costco before Victoria did. I remember people would talk about that a lot. I've never been in a Costco in my life even now, so I can't say it meant much to me. But obviously some people liked Nanaimo's suburban retail vibe enough to want to build it all over again in Langford.

It would be a very unusual rivalry, considering the difference in size of the two cities. Does Quebec City have a rivalry with Montreal?? Maybe so, I have no idea. Nanaimo and Victoria are just so different. Nanaimo has embraced the suburban model, with lots of low density sprawl. Victoria is really only getting on the suburban sprawl bandwagon in a serious way as we speak, and even then it's going to be a much denser sort of sprawl than we're seeing in Nanaimo. There are ~60-70 highrises in the city of Victoria right now, but the way people are talking in Langford & Colwood, there might be half that many highrises again in the suburbs before too long.

Here's a good angle on Nanaimo:


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there was a fairly positive article about nanaimo in the previous issue of the Georgia Strait

the place gets so much bad press its unfair really
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2007, 12:59 AM
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It would be a very unusual rivalry, considering the difference in size of the two cities. Does Quebec City have a rivalry with Montreal?? Maybe so, I have no idea.
Actually, yes, there is a rivalry between Quebec City and Montreal. More accurately, it's a rivalry between the rest of the province and Montreal. The Metropolis is represented for its power, money, media, progressive attitudes, cosmopolitanism and, above all, its multilingualism and multiculturalism.

Most Montrealers wouldn't really consider it a rivalry, but the city is increasingly resented in what is called the "regions." In fact, the La Presse newspaper did a four-page special on the cleavage between Montreal and the ROQ just today.
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are those freight trains in the picture of the port?? I had no idea we actually had a working railroad other than the struggling on-again off-again E&N passenger service. Where can I find out more about this choo?
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Those are probably trains from the line that runs between Port Alberni's pulp mills and Nanaimo's docks.
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''I'm still kinda disappointed to not see a main city center that's really visible in that Kelowna photo. At least in the Nanaimo photo there's a dense city center. Kelowna looks more like a sprawl. Though it's obvious in the photos that Kelowna has more density spread out.

Also what's the population differences between Nanaimo and Kelowna? They must be pretty close. Last time I checked the Greater Nanaimo area was around 125,000 people.''


I believe Kelowna is close to 160,000 metro.


As for Kelowna's downtown/ business district, it has two...sort of.

This is one of them





This the other (above 'waite').





Kelowna has a long way to go before everything comes together. Not sure how it's going to happen, but I'll remain optimistic* for now.



* hopeless rooting for the underdog-hometown optimistic. Not the realistic kind.
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Last time I checked the Greater Nanaimo area was around 125,000 people.
When did you check? The year 2025? According to the 2006 Census, Nanaimo (CA) had a population of 92,361. I don't know what Greater Nanaimo entails but the CA is enormous, so I have to think it would suffice. It's not quite twice as large as the entire Victoria CMA.

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there was a fairly positive article about nanaimo in the previous issue of the Georgia Strait...the place gets so much bad press its unfair really
People need to see more pictures like this one:

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NOTE: the various maps in this post are NOT to scale with one another.

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Here's a map showing the 2006 census tract densities (per square KM) for Kelowna:



Here's a map showing the 2006 census tract densities (per square KM) for Nanaimo:
NOTE: Protection Island is included in the downtown tract, which makes the density of Nanaimo's core look a bit lower than it actually is. I've included an adjustment, assuming Protection Island is .56 square kilometres in size and has a population of 328.



Here's a map showing the 2006 census tract densities (per square KM) for Victoria proper, Oak Bay, and part of Saanich:
NOTE: the neighbourhood in Beacon Hill Park's tract probably has a density of about 5,000 per square KM, but the park's presence lowers the density of the entire tract by about half.

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Thanks for the graphs and info Aastra.

IF you look at Naniamo's population as a city it's around 80,000 people. However the Regional District of Naniamo is over 138,000 people.

This is like The City of Victoria is only about 85,000 people yet the CRD is 365,000 people.

"The population of the region is projected to increase to 207,087 by 2031 (BC Statistics, www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca)."

This is a quote from the Naniamo City website.....

"The Regional District of Nanaimo, The Regional District of Nanaimo is one of the fastest growing regions in British Columbia, Canada with a population of more than 131,000 people and some of Vancouver Island's most livable communities."

http://www.rdn.bc.ca/cms.asp?wpID=440

Population

The Regional District of Nanaimo had a population of 138,631 in 2006. In 2006, twenty-six percent (35,948) of the residents in the region lived in electoral areas and seventy-three percent (101,848) of the residents in the region lived in municipalities, allocated as follows:

Area Population
Electoral Area 2001 2006
A 6,423 6,751
B 3,522 4,050
C 1,167 2,508
D (* See Note below) 4,656 0
E 4,820 5,462
F 5,546 6,680
G 7,041 7,023
H 3,108 3,474
Sub-Total 36,283 35,948

Area Population
Municipality 2001 2006
City of Nanaimo 73,000 78,692
City of Parksville 10,323 10,993
District of Lantzville (* See Note below) 3,661
Town of Qualicum Beach 6,921 8,502
Sub-Total 90,244 101,848

*The population of Area D was incorporated into Area C and Lantzville

Area Population
Indian Reserves 2001 2006
Nanaimo 1 238 279
Nanaimo 2 20 21
Nanaimo 3 33 50
Nanaimo 4 158 208
Nanoose 207 191
Qualicum 71 86
Sub-Total 727 835

Total Population (RDN) 127,016 138,631
Source: Statistics Canada, www.statscan.ca (2001 Census)

Past Population Growth

The population of the region increased from 77,624 residents in 1981 to 138,631 residents in 2006. This means the population in the region increased 79% during that time, at a rate of approximately 3% per year, on average.

Year Population
1981 77,624
1986 82,714
1991 102,411
1996 121,783
2001 127,016
2006 138,631
Source: Statistics Canada

Growth rates have varied over the last 25 years. The economic 'bust' of the early 1980s had a dramatic effect on the region, with the growth rate dropping from 25% to 7%. Economic recovery coincided with a more than doubling of the growth rate in the region in the late 1980s. Another economic downturn in the late 1990s saw growth rates fall significantly to 4%. From 2001 to 2006, the rate of population growth more than doubled to 9%.

Census Period Census Period Growth Rate (%)
1976-1981 25
1981-1986 7
1986-1991 24
1991-1996 19
1996-2001 4
2001-2006 9
Source: Statistics Canada
Future Population Growth

The population of the region is projected to increase to 207,087 by 2031 (BC Statistics, www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca). This represents a 49% increase in population in the region between 2006 and 2031, at a rate of approximately 2% per year, on average.

Additional Information About the Population of the Regional District of Nanaimo

* View BC Statistics' profile for the RDN (2001)
* Demographic and Socioeconomic Trends in the Regional District of Nanaimo (2001)



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This is why I always say that the South Island can and should have much larger venues. Such an Arena, Outdoor stadium, etc. Between Nanaimo and Victoria there is over 600,000 people yet the largest Arena is only 7,000 people and the largest outdoor Stadium is Royal Athletic Park. It's a bit of a joke!


Hey if you want to watch the Nanaimo conference center's construction August time elapsed video it's here,

http://www.nanaimo.ca/uploadedfiles/...eLapse0708.wmv
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If anybody cares, here are the latest versions of the census tract density maps:











(These maps were not meant to be in scale with one another, although Kelowna, Victoria, Vancouver and Calgary ended up being reasonably close anyway.)
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Wow, looks like I'm living in the densest census tract on any of those maps!
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RENN U R SO DENSE!


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I wonder how much of that density is mine?
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