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Old Posted Jan 13, 2008, 6:59 PM
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745 Thurlow St | 91m | 23fl | U/C

Any idea when Bentall 5 demolition (of the current parkade) will start at Alberni and Thurlow?
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2008, 9:20 PM
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^Isn't it more like Bentall 6?

Bentall 5...
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2008, 10:48 PM
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745 Thurlow (aka Bentall 6)
Construction End: N/A
Status: Proposed
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Old Posted Jan 14, 2008, 2:41 AM
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i thought it was gonna be started after 2010
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^ It better be given the high costs to get it started in the first place
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2008, 4:18 PM
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This building will not start before the completion of Shangri La (Fall 08)
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2008, 6:36 AM
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Is there a drawing or rendering of this building available yet?
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2008, 8:11 PM
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What is known is the tower will be 300 feet, quoted by the UDP meeting minutes:

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1. 745 Thurlow Street
DE: Rezoning
Use: 23-storey office tower, with other commercial uses at grade, with height of 300 ft. and FSR of 15.4
Zoning: DD to CD-1
Application Status: Rezoning
Architect: Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership
Review: First
Delegation: Mark Whitehead & Mark Thompson, Musson Cattell Mackey Partnership; Chris Sterry, PWL Partnership Landscape Architects Inc.
Staff: Phil Mondor/Ralph Segal

EVALUATION: SUPPORT (3-2)

Introduction: Phil Mondor, Rezoning Planner, introduced the proposal for a rezoning application at the corner of Thurlow and Alberni Streets. The maximum FSR for the area is 7 with applicant seeking 15.4 FSR. The proposal is for a 2 storey retail podium with a 23 storey office tower and below grade parking. There is a view cone from the False Creek Seawall and the height of the tower will be slightly over the 300 foot limit. City Policy encourages transfer of density and the applicant will be transferring density from the Evergreen property on West Pender Street. Although there isn’t a Green Building Strategy in place, the City has an expectation that new buildings will achieve at least LEEDTM Silver. The applicant will be pursuing a LEEDTM Gold registration and will be the first office tower in the city to do so.

The Panel adjourned to the model, where Ralph Segal, Development Planner described the surrounding area and the design development for the property.

Advice from the Panel on this application is sought on the following:
1. Overall built form:
Does the proposed building massing accommodate the increased density, creating an appropriate urban design “fit” in this context?

2. Pedestrian Environment:
Will the proposal’s Public Realm interface contribute to pedestrian activity and amenity?

3. Preliminary Architectural Design Concept:
Does the proposed architectural design respond appropriately to this site and context?

Mr. Mondor and Mr. Segal took questions from the Panel.

Applicant’s Introductory Comments: Mark Whitehead, Architect, further described the proposal noting the various sustainable measures planned for the site including green roofs and water conservation. He noted that they are committed to achieving LEEDTM Gold for the project.
Chris Sterry, Landscape Architect, described the landscape plans for the project noting the roof gardens as well as the plans for green wall proposed for the upper portions of the podium façade on the lane.

The applicant team took questions from the Panel.

Panel’s Consensus on Key Aspects Needing Improvement:

Consider looking at the density on the site and adjusting the form of the building; and
Consider the type and amount of glazing in order to make for a sustainable building.
Related Commentary: The Panel supported the proposal and thought it was a very interesting project and commended the applicant for an excellent presentation.

The Panel thought it was a great location for an office building and that it would animate Alberni Street. Some of the Panel thought the two levels of retail were a benefit in terms of also animating the street. The Panel did not have any concerns regarding shadowing into public spaces.

The Panel commended the applicant for their commitment to achieve LEEDTM Gold registration. One Panel member suggested angling the glass for more solar control especially on the south side of the building. It was suggested that care needed to be taken in the building design to make it sustainable considering the high percentage of glazing.

There was good support for the office use on the site. Several Panel members were concerned with the amount of density being asked for in this submission. There was a comment that, in the Development Permit submission, the applicant should further develop the expression of the building. They felt there could be a more strongly sculpted form to the building. The Panel did not have any concerns regarding the floor plate size and one Panel member commented that they would like to see the floor plates more clearly expressed on the building facade.

Several members of the Panel thought the building had a strong entrance and one member commented that the canopy could project more strongly. It was noted that the quality of the detailing would be key to the success of the project.

Most of the Panel liked the landscape plans and thought the green roof on the lower level would work but they weren’t sure about the green roof on the 23rd floor of the tower as they felt it hadn’t been integrated into the building. A couple of Panel members thought the public realm had not been as well developed as the roof level. There was also a comment that the public open space on the podium was a little too narrow and may have some problems with wind shear. Several members of the Panel noted that it would be wonderful to have the green wall visible from Robson Street.

Several members of the Panel noted that the oval plan forms in the roof landscaping did not seem to complement the oval mechanical enclosure on the roof.

Applicant’s Response: Mr. Whitehead thanked the Panel for their comments and noted that they will be back to the UDP at a future date. He added that they will not be using 100 per cent glazing but some spandrel glass or frosted glass.
It's also listed under the inventory of upcoming office projects: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=142503

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Old Posted Jul 17, 2008, 8:07 PM
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745 Thurlow - elevations look like a rehash of Bentall V - but the floorplate is rectangular so it may look similar in angularity to Cielo.

http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/...cuments/p5.pdf




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Amazing! Thanks OD

Kinda disappointed on the design though. I'm sure it will look good (see Bentall 5) but after all their talk about a dazzling architectural design or some garbage like that I am a little disappointed.

Oh well I shouldnt let myself get wrapped up in the marketing garbage, it looks like it will end up being a nice project. Should complement the glass on Shangri-La well.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2008, 8:40 PM
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Thanks for posting these.

It's about what I would expect from MCMP, generally attractive, but nothing amazing - just like the last two office towers, Bentall 5 and PWC Place, both of which they designed.

They seem to really dig the angular vertical forms - if anyone remembers the original Ritz proposal they did, there was the same triangular shape. Of course, MCMP's design was considered too boring at the time for such a tall building, hence Erickson's twist idea, but I guess it's a sufficient design for something short...

Also good to see ~20,000 sq ft of retail proposed for the second floor.

Hopefully this one gets built someday...
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2008, 2:21 AM
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Bentall 5 meets Central City (Surrey).
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Will it be able to add more floors in the future like the V?
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The design is uninspired, but it's Vancouver. I no longer expect much to come from this city in the way of architectural excellence.

My only hope is that the tower is fitted with the same type of glazing found on Bentall 5 and/or the lower half of One Wall Centre.
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Bentall 5 meets Central City (Surrey).
Although Central City is a much better design. I expected something more.
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Will it be able to add more floors in the future like the V?
No, what you see is what you get with this one... wouldn't want it too much larger with shadowing concerns over Robson though... rather save the height for a better location.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2008, 3:45 PM
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Not tall enough
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It has nice angles, but it's a bit fat. It should look better than those renderings.
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No, what you see is what you get with this one... wouldn't want it too much larger with shadowing concerns over Robson though... rather save the height for a better location.
Except that it is on the north side so it could never shadow Robson due to Vancouver's latitude. But otherwise, I hear ya.
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Except that it is on the north side so it could never shadow Robson due to Vancouver's latitude. But otherwise, I hear ya.
Hahaha wow... am I ever an idiot.
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