Demographics of Europe

[FREKI]

Originally Posted by Swede

Yeah, South of Berlin (or the Alps when being generous) and east of Finland = not really "white" to those who care about such things up here. Where the line between the races are drawn is very arbitrary.

I remember my first visit to Geneva last millenium - first trip south of Hamburg - gotta say I was very suprised and people didn't exactly look as I had expected the Swiss to look.. ( thank you Hollywood )

Using "white" is such a dumb term - not only are no people on the planet white and if there was it would certainly not be anything to be proud about!


"Ze master race" - well not quite, but that pink tone is nothing a little skin bleech can't handle!

[SrbijaCG]

For the first time since the last census was taken in 1991, all the ex-Yugoslav states will be conducting a simultaneous official census in 2011.

What do you think, will there be less of us, more or just about the same?

Data from last Yugoslav census of 1991:

[liat91]

Race can be important, and observed for other than negative conotations.
On the contrary for example; in the United States it is measured to protect minorities, not scrutinize them. There are also important measures including health and medicine. By counting race you can more aptly find better methods of treatment for certain populations.

So unless you knew where the black people in France where living, it would be more difficult to direct resources and flow of services for this group. Their increased susceptibility to sickle-cell disease for example is one variable.

It's foolish to not see the importance in measuring a population by as many variables as possible.

[New Brisavoine]

Now that the first decade of the new century is over, we have a better view of what's shaping up for this century in Europe.

Population from 0 to 9 y/o (on Jan. 1, 2010):
- Russia: 14,846,546
- France: 8,027,605
- UK: approx. 7,200,000
- Germany: 7,038,185
- Italy: approx. 5,650,000
- Spain: 4,759,123
- Ukraine: 4,324,491
- Poland: 3,753,727
- Netherlands: 1,927,534

Source: the statistics offices of each country.

[SHiRO]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Now that the first decade of the new century is over, we have a better view of what's shaping up for this century in Europe.

Nonsensical comment...

But thanks for the data anyway...

[Minato Ku]

It is not that true, racism is reconized but without some racial stat it can be more difficult in some case to prove racism, especially the discrimination.
If somebody call you dirty n*** in the street, it can be easy to prove racism but how could you prove that you were not employed by an entreprise because you are black.

[Swede]

yeah, race is far from denied in countries that don't keep track of what race everyone is. racial discrimination is taken very seriously in Sweden, I doubt the tax authority keeping track of what race you are would, help in any way shape or form.

[Spocket]

Why are some people so keen to jump and down to proclaim that race doesn't matter and the very mention of it is enough to send them into hysterical politically correct shrieks ? There's nothing at all wrong with discussing race even if some people can't do so without getting their underwear in a knot at the prospect .

I for one would like to see Europe remain majority white . I would also like to see sub-Saharan Africa remain majority black . There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying this either despite how some people would like to jump on the statements and paint them as overtly racist . Diversity is good and you can't remain diverse if everybody is the same .

Europe's birthrates for historically-native people ARE below replacement levels . Obviously if this continues the people we think of today as European will eventually become not just minorities in their own countries but possibly extinct as distinct groups of people . That , however , is a very long way off and historically speaking , populations rise and decline all the time . It's actually highly unlikely that the current trend will continue for any great length of time longer . Some countries such as France and Russia are beginning to see a rise in their birthrates .

It's also likely that Muslims will continue to make up a greater and greater proportion of the European population . Quite simply , they have higher birth-rates and are less amenable to the secular ideals that currently act as a defacto population control mechanism . On the other hand , just as with all immigrants , successive generations tend to lose their cultural (and in this case religious) identity such that they basically assimilate completely . If the spigot was turned off tomorrow , Muslims currently residing within Europe would probably take on the same ideals and worldviews as the rest of the European population .

[sopas ej]

I find it interesting that a number of European nations don't even keep statistics on race; I would think that people would be curious to know the racial makeup of their populations. I discovered this some years ago when I wanted to know what percentage of the people in France are black, and couldn't find any statistics.

My own experience growing up in the United States, California in particular, back when affirmative action policies were in place at public colleges and universities, keeping track of race and ethnicity doesn't faze me. Also, filling out job applications, there's always that section where you may state your race/ethnicity, but it's always with the disclaimer that filling out that section is "for statistical purposes only and is entirely voluntary, and will not affect your chances of getting hired" or however it's worded.