Winnipeg - Of Interest

[Joshy]

Originally Posted by SKYSTHELIMIT

I understand your frustration with this West Can Trade Pact Joshy but the t-shirt is just depicting B.C and Alberta. It states it above the logo.

Perhaps I was mistaken.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Joshy

Pretty sure it's not. Manitoba is not part of that Western Canada Trade Pact involving the other three western provinces (whatever it's called). We are not part of the "New West" because as I understand it, the provincial socialists in charge turned them down when asked to be part of the negotiations.

We're not part of it because we have less in common. We aren't the same economically (in terms of GDP creation) as the other provinces.

[vid]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

We're not part of it because we have less in common. We aren't the same economically (in terms of GDP creation) as the other provinces.

You seem to make a lot of excuses for why Manitoba can't be something better. If Manitoba isn't with the west, then who is it with? You can't say an 800,000 sqkm province with barely 1.2 million people can stand alone. Manitoba has plenty to offer to the table around which Alberta, BC and Saskatchewan are sitting. It is time to walk up to that table, promote ourselves, and get a seat.

And take NWO with you. We've been trying to sit with the cool kids for years now. If NWO can have the world's largest chromite deposit, then who knows what is knocking about up in Manitoba's north.

[Joshy]

Originally Posted by vid

You seem to make a lot of excuses for why Manitoba can't be something better. If Manitoba isn't with the west, then who is it with? You can't say an 800,000 sqkm province with barely 1.2 million people can stand alone. Manitoba has plenty to offer to the table around which Alberta, BC and Saskatchewan are sitting. It is time to walk up to that table, promote ourselves, and get a seat.

Thank you. I'm glad someone else noticed this. It's always with the "we can't compete" excuses, over and over and over again, always playing up the equalization payments like that is all Manitoba will ever amount to. Like a broken record. That mentality is exaclty what Manitoba or Winnipeg don't need. It's such a defeatist (typical of most socialists) attitude.

[Joshy]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

We're not part of it because we have less in common. We aren't the same economically (in terms of GDP creation) as the other provinces.

Manitoba was fucking asked to join in, and the socialist government turned it down. A chance to join in on a strong economic development partnership to help develop Manitoba and the province TURNED IT DOWN. That is pathetic leadership at it's worst. I guess they were afraid to lose out on any extra equalization payments that partnership may have cost them.

[jmt18325]

That doesn't even make sense. Did you actually think that line through? Manitoba isn't really similar to the other western provinces, and so it doesn't belong as part of the partnership. BC really doesn't belong there either.

[vid]

What does Manitoba have to lose by being part of an agreement with the other western provinces? Northern Ontario cities regularly seek out similar agreements and opportunity with the west so there must be something positive about it.

In the end, BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Northern Ontario have more in common than different, and we should take advantage of that commonality to build a stronger regional economy.

[Joshy]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

That doesn't even make sense. Did you actually think that line through? Manitoba isn't really similar to the other western provinces, and so it doesn't belong as part of the partnership. BC really doesn't belong there either.

No. Your "we can't compete with anyone. We are too poor so we should just depend on equalization payments to survive because we can't do any better" attitude makes no sense and is very sad. Maybe you should think your mentality on how the province should develop economically through a bit more.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by vid

What does Manitoba have to lose by being part of an agreement with the other western provinces?

If the other provinces have different priorities....a voice, possibly. Why would the Government of Manitoba not sign on if this was such a good thing for us?

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Joshy

No. Your "we can't compete with anyone. We are too poor so we should just depend on equalization payments to survive" attitude makes no sense and is very sad. Maybe you should think your mentality on how the province should develop economically through a bit more.

You obviously don't know my attitude. We aren't poor, nor should we pass up opportunities to develop. That said, pretending we're going to be Saskatchewan or Alberta without finding large amounts of natural resources is foolish.

[Joshy]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

You obviously don't know my attitude. We aren't poor, nor should we pass up opportunities to develop. That said, pretending we're going to be Saskatchewan or Alberta without finding large amounts of natural resources is foolish.

Who is pretending to be anyone else? That is a weak excuse if I've ever heard one. It's about DEVELOPING THE ECONOMY. You don't do that by passing up opportunities to work with provinces that can HELP YOU DEVELOP. And honestly, there hasn't been much exploration in Manitoba in comparison to provinces out west because there has been little incentive from the province to promote this from private investors. That is SLOWLY changing, but there is a long way to go. We simply don't fully know what we have in terms of resources because we havent' done enough exploration to make an informed decision on that.

[vid]

Most of the mining exploration in the world is happening in Northwestern Ontario. We're not very different from Manitoba, geologically. Northern Quebec is experiencing a similar upswing in exploration. Manitoba should get in the game.

There are resources up there, but you have to actually look for them if you're going to develop them. Northwestern Ontario is poised to become the next Alberta with all of its resource wealth. Manitoba is right next door. It could have the even more impressive resources.

Northern Ontario has one of the largest deposits of precious metals known to man. Manitoba could have the largest deposit that has yet to be discovered. And there is always that perpetual rumour of oil in the lowlands.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Joshy

Who is pretending to be anyone else? That is a weak excuse if I've ever heard one. It's about DEVELOPING THE ECONOMY. You don't do that by passing up opportunities to work with provinces that can HELP YOU DEVELOP.

And you don't sign deals that aren't good for you. The Manitoba government explored NWP....but didn't sign on. There's obviously a reason.

And honestly, there hasn't been much exploration in Manitoba in comparison to provinces out west because there has been little incentive from the province to promote this from private investors.

They've been looking for potash and oil for over a decade. They've found both, but one isn't in large enough quantities to mine, and the other isn't in large enough quantities to change provincial fortunes. Maybe we will stumble across something big, but singing the partnership won't make that happen.

[vid]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

And you don't sign deals that aren't good for you. The Manitoba government explored NWP....but didn't sign on. There's obviously a reason.

Protectionism. Ignorance. Fear. Socialism. Those are all "reasons", I suppose.

Originally Posted by jmt18325

They've been looking for potash and oil for over a decade. They've found both, but one isn't in large enough quantities to mine, and the other isn't in large enough quantities to change provincial fortunes. Maybe we will stumble across something big, but singing the partnership won't make that happen.

Having the world capital of mining companies in the same province as us has certainly helped Northern Ontario's mining sector. For once, Toronto is actually useful to us!

Of you could keep looking down at your feet saying "we can't do it" while the rest of the country enjoys prosperity.

[Joshy]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

And you don't sign deals that aren't good for you. The Manitoba government explored NWP....but didn't sign on. There's obviously a reason.



They've been looking for potash and oil for over a decade. They've found both, but one isn't in large enough quantities to mine, and the other isn't in large enough quantities to change provincial fortunes. Maybe we will stumble across something big, but singing the partnership won't make that happen.

You simply don't know this because there HASEN'T BEEN ENOUGH EXPLORATION. A decade pales in comparison to DECADES of exploration in the other prairie provinces. My God, you are full of excuses. And in all likelyhood, they didn't sign on because of the attitiude that you display here. There simply hasn't been a true provincial will to go balls to the wall and really explore what is out there.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by vid

Protectionism. Ignorance. Fear. Socialism. Those are all "reasons", I suppose.

Socialism? Are you serious?

Of you could keep looking down at your feet saying "we can't do it" while the rest of the country enjoys prosperity.

You do realize that Manitoba has a huge mining and mining exploration sector, right? We have massive mines n Manitoba's north, but those don't generate the kind of money that oil does.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Joshy

You simply don't know this because there HASEN'T BEEN ENOUGH EXPLORATION. A decade pales in comparison to DECADES of exploration in the other prairie provinces. My God, you are full of excuses. And in all likelyhood, they didn't sign on because of the attitiude that you display here. There simply hasn't been a true provincial will to go balls to the wall and really explore what is out there.

And how do you know that? Provide me with evidence. I happen to know that this government has provided grands and tax incentives for exploration. I know many people who work in the drilling sector doing exploration. We might just find something, and of course we should try, but that doesn't mean that the NWP was right for us. Mining and mining exploration, btw, has been happening in Manitoba for decades. I was speaking specifically of potash and certain types of oil reserves.

Do you understand yet?

[Joshy]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

And how do you know that? Provide me with evidence. I happen to know that this government has provided grands and tax incentives for exploration. I know many people who work in the drilling sector doing exploration. We might just find something, and of course we should try, but that doesn't mean that the NWP was right for us. Mining and mining exploration, btw, has been happening in Manitoba for decades. I was speaking specifically of potash and certain types of oil reserves.

Do you understand yet?

I too, know many people in the drilling sector in all four Western Canadian provinces, and a few in the mining sector as well, some have been in that business for 25+ years.. I have cousins and friends in this business who have worked from Manitoba to Alberta. All of which have stated that based on their experience, Manitoba lags in terms of willingness to explore for natural resources in comparison to Saskatchewan and Alberta, mostly due to a lack of provincial incentives to explore. I don't think they have any particular reason to lie.

Do YOU understand yet?

[jmt18325]

Well, I happen to know that the mining exploration sector is booming in Manitoba right now, and has been for several years. We've also been mining Manitoba's north for decades. We haven't yet found anything to make us wealthy to the level of Alberta.

[vid]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

Socialism? Are you serious?

No. If Manitoba's government controlled the means of production, I'm sure it would be intelligent enough to actually work at producing something.

Originally Posted by jmt18325

You do realize that Manitoba has a huge mining and mining exploration sector, right? We have massive mines n Manitoba's north, but those don't generate the kind of money that oil does.

So the only way anyone can join Alberta's fantastic partnership is if they're Alberta?

Why start the partnership in the first place?