General Infrastructure Discussion - Page 2

hollywoodnorth · #21 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 7:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by allan_kuan

Hmm... isn't that hinting at a possible waste to energy plant placement in either Downtown Vancouver, Central Surrey, or Olympic Village? All three places I think have a variety of businesses / residences that use or will use steam in the future, so sales and revenue from steam production will be more sustainable as a result... The only problem of course is overcoming the sometimes insane opposition to these new plants...

if anything I think its hinting more at something like Annacis Island or Port Kells. a high concentration of industrial usages.

I have to say the feeding the steam to the River District Project is very interesting and would be great to see.

BCPhil · #22 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 10:23 AM**

Wait, why does this story just blow off the closing of a major industrial plant like it is an inconsequential MacGuffin to the plot of taxpayers needing to pay $4.2 million for an upgrade? Sure, $4.2 million and a loss in revenue is bad news, but worse news is the Norampac linerboard mill closing, yet there is half a sentence dedicated to that. That's a lot of good paying jobs and business taxes down the crapper.

GeeCee · #23 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 5:58 PM**

A paper industry plant closing isn't exactly headline news these days. It's a dying industry, and is happening more and more frequently. It was also initially announced and reported in the media back in September. No sense in moaning about it now.

Metro-One · #24 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 7:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by BCPhil

Wait, why does this story just blow off the closing of a major industrial plant like it is an inconsequential MacGuffin to the plot of taxpayers needing to pay $4.2 million for an upgrade? Sure, $4.2 million and a loss in revenue is bad news, but worse news is the Norampac linerboard mill closing, yet there is half a sentence dedicated to that. That's a lot of good paying jobs and business taxes down the crapper.

I thought the exact same, there goes another lingering thread of our heavy industry in this region. Very sad, oh well, i guess we will all soon be making 10 bucks an hour at a crappy service job in a metro where the average housing / condo cost is completely out of whack.

DKaz · #25 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 7:30 PM**

There is an industry wide shortage of CAD drafters... just a heads up.

jsbertram · #26 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 10:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

A paper industry plant closing isn't exactly headline news these days. It's a dying industry, and is happening more and more frequently. It was also initially announced and reported in the media back in September. No sense in moaning about it now.

How soon do you think it will be before we see the headline that the former Norampac site is now the newest & greenest LEED-Platinum housing development with eco-friendly steam to heat all the buildings in the new community?

SpongeG · #27 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 11:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by DKaz

There is an industry wide shortage of CAD drafters... just a heads up.

I wanted to get into that when I was on EI but my case worker said there is no demand and that funding and training was not available, the BC gov't labels the field as "fair" and therefore is not in demand - anyway, still interested in it - maybe when i finish school i will look into it

Alex Mackinnon · #28 Posted: **Nov 10, 2011, 11:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

How soon do you think it will be before we see the headline that the former Norampac site is now the newest & greenest LEED-Platinum housing development with eco-friendly steam to heat all the buildings in the new community?

I'd say probably not likely. Although it would make a whole lot of sense for that steam to be diverted and used for district heating for all those warehouses nearby. Problem is someone needs to step up and act as a utility to distribute the heat. They probably should have built those buildings nearby with this in mind.

There's a lot of construction going on in that neck of the woods. I went for a ride around there last night since it wasn't raining. You can finally drive between Byrne Rd. and the incinerator without having to double back to Marine.

BCPhil · #29 Posted: **Nov 11, 2011, 9:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

A paper industry plant closing isn't exactly headline news these days. It's a dying industry, and is happening more and more frequently. It was also initially announced and reported in the media back in September. No sense in moaning about it now.

Maybe if the mill produced phone book paper or newsprint, but this was a box factory. When was the last time you needed to packaged something, but used the internet instead?

Not only that, but Cascades is all into this "green" manufacturing, and what is more green than manufacturing with steam energy produced by recycling? In reality, they are just closing the plant here and one in Quebec and moving into a facility in NY, so they can export raw materials at bargain basement rates and escape our taxes. I mean, the mills are in Niagara Falls; its almost impossible to be closer to Canada without being in Canada.

But instead of a story about a Canadian company exporting jobs and resources to the US, its about how the taxpayer is on the hook for $4 million. Instead of a story about how we should be shaking our fist at a greedy Quebec company, we get a story that wants us to shake our fist at Metro Vancouver for building such a stupid machine. "It so stupid it was only good for one thing and now THEY don't even want it, isn't the government stupid!"