Originally Posted by Mr Downtown
Surely it's OK for the South Loop to begin transitioning south of Polk from a completely downtown character to something more like Streeterville, Lincoln Park or Edgewater, where highrise density is softened with plantings, setbacks, and even the evil driveways. Amli 900 isn't really all that different in site coverage or treatment from 860-880 and 900-910, or from Sandburg Village.
Wait what? Are you trolling or did you really just lump in the site planning at 860-880 with AMLI 900 and Sandburg Village?
Let me highlight why what you just said is rediculous:
1. Sandburg Village and AMLI are radically car oriented and feature numerous curb cuts and driveways. Meanwhile 860-880 has one measly curb cut that immediately enters the under ground garage.
2. The green spaces and set backs at Sandburg and AMLI are useless. They don't serve a purpose other than to be like "oh hey look at the pretty open space". Meanwhile the entirety of 860-880 is lifted off the ground opening up what are not only stunning spaces, but essentially allowing the pedestrian to cross through
and interact with the open space. That ain't happening in Sandburg village where it was specifically designed to keep pedestrians (i.e. Cabrini riff raff) from the West out.
3. 860-880 is sited along Lake Michigan. The setbacks are not just some modernist experiement gone wrong, but rather a very successful means of opening up the entire site to the lake views. There is absolutely no reason for AMLI or Sanburg to take a similar approach.
4. 860-880 is situated on what is a decidedly un-pedestrian and non-retail street. There never was and never will be a demand for retail in the base of these buildings because they front what is a one sided street. The point of building to the lot lines at a place like AMLI would be to re-energize the pedestrian feel of Clark. Yes it's already fucked up by dearborn park, but that is nowhere near the obsticle that the Lake is. Sandburg isn't even worth mentioning in this category because it is a complete atrocity. Dearborn Park only gets something of a pass because it was built in another era when a fortress was necessary for there to be any development at all. What AMLI has done is mimic a 40 year old piece of urban planning. That model is DEAD.
I could go on and on about the differences, but I think I made my point: It's complete heresy to compare AMLI and Sandburg to 860-880.