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Old Posted Jan 25, 2011, 10:19 PM
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Tanger Outlets Ottawa | U/C

Here's an article from today's Ottawa Business Journal:

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RioCan Real Estate Investment Trust (TSX:REI.UN), says consumers in centres like Ottawa will benefit from lower prices when it teams up with American Tanger Factory Outlet Centers.

Canada's largest retail landlord says its new partnership with an American outlet mall chain will mean Canadians won't have to travel to the U.S. anymore to score a designer purse at outlet store prices.

RioCan Real Estate Investment Trust, it plans to develop 10 to 15 outlet shopping centres across Canada in the next five to seven years.

The properties would be branded as Tanger Outlet Centers, and RioCan said Monday they would provide "U.S.-style" shopping options that include "factory stores," which sell a store's own prior-season merchandise for less than full retail prices.

"(It means) more choice within Canada, that would be the biggest thing, and really not having to wait until you go to the United States to visit an outlet mall and buy some really well-priced, first-line merchandise," Edward Sonshine, president and CEO of RioCan said in an interview.

Tanger will be in charge of leasing and marketing services, while RioCan will handle property management. The two will each own a 50 per cent stake in the properties, which will be likely be located in suburban areas near Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver, Sonshine said.

Tanger currently runs 33 outlet malls in 22 American states that draw 150 million shoppers each year, according to the company's website.

Tanger outlet centres – comprised of suburban outdoor stores located side-by-side in a city street format – have a wide variety of major tenants, including luxury leather goods retailer Coach, high-end fashion retailer Polo Ralph Lauren and gourmet food store Harry and David. They are also home to retailers with lower price points, including Old Navy, women's clothing retailer Dressbarn, and Pepperidge Farms foods.

"We're constantly prospecting among those American tenants and what we kept hearing from them was: 'We'd like to come to Canada, but we'd like to come with the outlet format,' " said Sonshine, who added that tenants like Nike, Adidas, Michelle Obama favourite J. Crew, Pottery Barn, men's clothing brand Van Heusen and Kenneth Cole have all told Tanger they are interested in opening factory outlet stores in Canada.

Tanger did not return calls Monday, but Steven Tanger, the company's president and CEO said in a statement that "Tanger's top retail partners are looking for growth in the Canadian market and it is our intent to provide them with the outlet shopping centre sites to meet their needs."

Outlet malls are big business in the U.S., with Consumer Reports magazine estimating up to 55 million Americans travelled at least 320 kilometres round-trip to snap up designer goods at discount prices at an outlet mall in 2001, the most recent year for which statistics were available

RioCan has ownership interest in 296 retail properties, including 10 under development. It also has a 14 per cent equity interest in Cedar Shopping Centers, Inc., which operates in the U.S. Northeast.

The closest Tanger Outlets to the Canadian border are located about an hours drive north of Windsor, Ont. in Howell, Mich., and four hours south of Montreal in Tilton, N.H.

This is the second time this month a major player in the U.S. retail industry has announced expansion plans in Canada. RioCan – Canada's largest landlord to Zellers stores – said this month it hopes to land several Target stores as tenants when the American discount retailer enters Canada over the next few years.

Discount-chic retailer Target Corp., which is known for offering capsule clothing collections by high-end designers at affordable prices, announced it will spend $1.8-billion to acquire the leases on more than 200 Zellers stores from the Hudson's Bay Co.
Link: http://www.obj.ca/Local/Retail/2011-...-partnership/1

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"Tanger outlet centres – comprised of suburban outdoor stores located side-by-side in a city street format."
Sounds like a mainstreet type of development in the suburbs.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2011, 3:13 PM
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RioCan just announced this today... new development in Kanata near Scotiabank Place.

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RioCan and Tanger have also entered into a purchase and sale agreement to acquire approximately 50 acres of land in Kanata, Ontario, near Ottawa, to be developed as a Tanger Outlet Center. Subject to conditions, the co-owners are expected to acquire the land, which is located off of the TransCanada Highway (Highway 417) at Palladium Drive on a 50/50 basis.

The concept, design and merchandising of the Ottawa centre will be similar to those within the highly successful Tanger portfolio of outlet centres in the US. The site is located in the suburban Ottawa market of Kanata and will benefit from its access to the greater Ottawa market. When fully complete, the project will be home to approximately 350,000 square feet of branded factory outlet retailers from the U.S. and Canada offering consumers a unique opportunity to purchase merchandise directly from leading designer and brand name manufacturers at a substantial savings.

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Old Posted Feb 2, 2012, 10:07 PM
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Tanger Outlet Centres
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http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__81MX7G
The Plan of Subdivision application will facilitate the creation of three development blocks for the retail outlet mall, restaurants, and the hotel; 15 blocks for the office/industrial park; and three preservation blocks for the Feedmill Creek Corridor. Three new public streets will be created as well.

rezoning application
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__81MX18





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Old Posted Feb 2, 2012, 10:22 PM
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1963 parking spaces!

"More specifically, the eastern half of the subject lands is planned for a 31,587 m2 (340,000 ft 2 ) retail outlet mall (Tanger Outlet Centers) located north of Feedmill Creek as well as 2,230 m2 (24,000 ft 2 ) of restaurants and a 200-room hotel located south of Feedmill Creek"

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1963 parking spaces!

"More specifically, the eastern half of the subject lands is planned for a 31,587 m2 (340,000 ft 2 ) retail outlet mall (Tanger Outlet Centers) located north of Feedmill Creek as well as 2,230 m2 (24,000 ft 2 ) of restaurants and a 200-room hotel located south of Feedmill Creek"
I am sure its just a matter of time before people start speaking out aginst this project.

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Barf.

One thing that should at least be changed is the location of the proposed stormwater pond. A transit station is planned for the 417 & Huntmar; having the stormwater pond at the east of the site makes any attempt at future intensification next to impossible.

The pond should be moved to the southwest corner where it would at least be outside of the 400m radius of the transit station.

I submitted the following comment using the Development Application Search tool:

This proposal is pretty much the exact opposite of the finely grained urban pattern envisioned by the Kanata West Concept Plan.

However since this is likely to be approved anyway, one thing that should at least be changed is the location of the proposed stormwater pond. A transit station is planned for the 417 & Huntmar; having the stormwater pond at the east of the site makes any attempt at future intensification next to impossible and forces any development to be further from the station.

The pond should be moved to the southwest corner where it would at least be outside of the 400m radius of the transit station. If possible, the shopping centre buildings should be moved further east to enable the majority of the parking to be on the west side, away from the future residential community east of Huntmar.

The owners should also be required to construct high quality pedestrian linkages between the development and the future station, including a pedestrian bridge over highway 417 if appropriate.

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Tanger Outlet Centres
subdivision application
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__81MX7G
The Plan of Subdivision application will facilitate the creation of three development blocks for the retail outlet mall, restaurants, and the hotel; 15 blocks for the office/industrial park; and three preservation blocks for the Feedmill Creek Corridor. Three new public streets will be created as well.

rezoning application
http://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans/...appId=__81MX18

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Is that much retail space even necessary there? Hazeldean is close by, and the Kanata/Stittsville area will be well-served by then. I would say maybe 1/5 of the amount, for community purposes, is all that is needed in that area.
Plus the eventual Tanger Outlet Center that will just down Huntmar Rd
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Plus the eventual Tanger Outlet Center that will just down Huntmar Rd
Exactly, the Kanata-Stittsville area will be oversaturated especially if that development is approved.
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I think the Tanger outlet will be a shopping destination for everyone in the City, not just those in and around Kanata.
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I think the Tanger outlet will be a shopping destination for everyone in the City, not just those in and around Kanata.
Where the hell is Huntmar Road?
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Nowhere, in other words?

Yeah, I'm not likely to ever set foot anywhere near the place, thereby disproving the assertion that "everyone in the city" will shop there! :]
It's more likely to have people travel from across town (and surrounding areas) than other retail. Someone from Orleans wouldn't travel to the Western edge of Kanata to go to a Walmart or Home Depot, but are more likely to for the Tanger outlet, which will probably see brands not found anywhere else in the area.
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Personally, I think they did a great job at the SAWGRASS MILLS OUTLETS in Sunrise, Florida (Fort-Lauderdale).. For anyone who's been there, yes they have that enormous jumbo-mall with the great lands of parking but I love how they added the whole outlet stores around! Great architecture, nicely executed and it really has a nice pedestrian feel where you park your car and walk all around the little pedestrian streets and shop and have coffee/lunch/dinner on outside patios. Hopefully they can do something like this with the Tanger Outlets.. Unfortunetly, trainyards was lost and def. does not have this field since they included the parking right in the center of it all and the stores around (so you have to walk 10min through a sea of parking to reach anything), or be a lazy a** and actually drive from store-2-store...





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Personally, I think they did a great job at the SAWGRASS MILLS OUTLETS in Sunrise, Florida (Fort-Lauderdale).. For anyone who's been there, yes they have that enormous jumbo-mall with the great lands of parking but I love how they added the whole outlet stores around! Great architecture, nicely executed and it really has a nice pedestrian feel where you park your car and walk all around the little pedestrian streets and shop and have coffee/lunch/dinner on outside patios. Hopefully they can do something like this with the Tanger Outlets.. Unfortunetly, trainyards was lost and def. does not have this field since they included the parking right in the center of it all and the stores around (so you have to walk 10min through a sea of parking to reach anything), or be a lazy a** and actually drive from store-2-store...





Yup. I hate the Trainyards. I drove around there once for 5 minutes trying to find a Walmart that I knew was there.

There are more than a few of those new 'town center' style malls in the states. They really started popping up regularly about 10 years ago. Have a sea of parking around a few blocks of stores, with an open space in the middle.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll...06394&t=h&z=18

It's so comfortable to just park and then walk around. I remember reading that sales/sqft were much higher. In conventional big box strip malls each additional store you visit is taking you that much farther from your car. In a this newer format you can walk by 20 or 30 stores and still be a few minutes from your car.

EDIT: Here's another one I'm familiar with, in Huntsville AL. They built two large ponds and a bridge, and a pedestrian street. And they built multi-level parking to hide the size of the parking lots. It's a very comfortable place to go walking.

https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll...06394&t=h&z=18

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Council approved the Tanger outlet centre rezoning


here is the Fernbank Wal-Mart
http://www.smartcentres.com/locations/kanata-s

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Store announcements today for the Tanger Outlet Complex at Huntmar and the 417 which will include restaurants, a hotel and the following stores according to that article

Nike Factory Store, Calvin Klein, Tommy Hilfiger, Banana Republic, Aeropostale, Guess Factory Store, Nine West, Gap Outlet, American Eagle, Brooks Brothers, Michael Kors, Donna Karen Factory Store, Coach Factory Store, Carter’s

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/busines...809/story.html
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Tanger Outlet mall land cost $30 mil http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/ne...Apri_Sales.pdf
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U.S. outlet mall to take a little from everybody: Bayshore exec

Mark Brownlee, Published on October 29, 2013

A large U.S. outlet mall’s expansion into Ottawa is going to hurt all local retailers once it arrives next year, the executive responsible for Bayshore Shopping Centre said.


George Fiddler, who is responsible for Bayshore as vice-president of leasing with Ivanhoe Cambridge, is not excited about the prospect of U.S. giant Tanger Outlets opening 350,000 square feet of retail space close to Canadian Tire Centre in 2014.

“In a perfect world, I’d rather not see it happen,” said Mr. Fiddler, speaking as part of a panel at the Ottawa Real Estate Forum earlier this month. “Realistically, I know that it’s going to.”

However, Bayshore won’t be any worse off than other retailers in the area, he said, in part because outlet malls tend to draw customers from a much larger area than a traditional shopping centre.

He pointed to an outlet mall in Vaughan Mills, outside of Toronto, which on average brings in shoppers from 45 minutes away. That’s in contrast to most shopping centres, which usually draw customers from 15 to 20 minutes away, he said.

”It’s taking a little bit from everybody,” said Mr. Fiddler. “Is it going to hurt? Yeah, but it’s going to hurt everybody a little bit. It’s not just because Bayshore’s the closest that I think it’s going to hurt.”

The Tanger outlet mall is just one of several new retail spaces set to arrive in Ottawa during the next few years. Both Bayshore and the Rideau Centre are undergoing multimillion-dollar expansions, while a large new shopping space is also on the way to Lansdowne Park.

Despite concerns about what Tanger’s expansion will mean, members of the panel said that Ottawa still has plenty of room for growth in retail space.

Cindy VanBuskirk, the general manager of the Rideau Centre, said Ottawa shopping centres are finally starting to catch up with the demand from big-name retailers who have wanted to expand into the city.

“There’s no shortage of people lined up to get in the door,” she said.

She viewed her competitors’ expansion plans as a positive. One shopping centre getting the first store for a major retailer in the city – Swedish clothing retailer H&M opened its first location in Ottawa this month, for example – makes it easier for others to get them in the future, she said.

Glenn Featherstone, who as vice-president of retail leasing with Morguard is responsible for the St. Laurent shopping centre east of downtown, pointed to a recent deal to bring in retailer American Eagle as an example of why he doesn’t think Ottawa is stretched too thin.

St. Laurent had been negotiating with the company for some time but couldn’t accommodate it due to a lack of space. The retailer was set to open sometime in October.

He also hinted that changes may be on the way for St. Laurent.

The shopping centre “needs a bit of polish,” he said. Morguard has also acquired the land around the facility, opening up the door to a potential expansion in the future.

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I would think that Bayshore's proximity to Tanger would hurt it the least. The outlet mall will likely draw people from east of the city, putting Bayshore in the path of someone from Orleans, while there is not much that is unique in Orleans that will draw someone from Kanata.
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I would think that Bayshore's proximity to Tanger would hurt it the least. The outlet mall will likely draw people from east of the city, putting Bayshore in the path of someone from Orleans, while there is not much that is unique in Orleans that will draw someone from Kanata.
I think I understand what you are saying. Basically, it won't do what Place D'Orleans did to St. Laurent
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