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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 10:42 AM
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DTW serves a significantly larger market than either MSP or CVG, and one that has many ties to the global auto industry. There's a reason DTW can support non-stop flights to the likes of NGO.
I was waiting in the security line @ JFK with several people traveling to FRA and they wondered why their flight was delayed coming out of DTW- I explained the Detroit connection, and why the flight terminated in CGN.
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After reading your post it makes sense for Atlanta to become a larger Latin American Gateway. American has Miami as their Latin American Gateway and United's Houston hub is theirs. Atlanta's location will be strategic in competing against American and United on Latin American routes. I am hoping that a Hong Kong, Beijing and Shanghai flight do return to Hartsfield but I think these destinations if served again are going to be have to flown by foreign carriers? I'm thinking some more African destinations may also be in the works for Delta, just because I've noticed United starting to build up their African operations out of Houston.
Great points mrmocha, I agree with all your points. Yeah Delta tried the Shanghai route twice, maybe one of Delta 's Asia partners would do best. I believe Delta next african route will be Atlanta to Nairobi Kenya, which was cancel at the last minute by US Dept. of Transporation in 2008. It really did catch United a minute to catch on. Henceforth, I expect any Africa routes out of Atlanta, because of a larger affluent black population, and forture 500 companies, to do better than Houston oil traffic feed.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2012, 3:27 AM
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Maynard Jackson International Terminal Tour

Today I had a chance to tour the new terminal with a group, and it was interesting to say the least. First there was an hour and a half long introduction to the terminal and the overall airport master plan. Maria Soporta was present and had quite a bit to say and several questions. She was concerned that there was not a new MARTA stop at the int'l terminal and that there were no high speed rail connections, which generally I totally agree with her and find her points totally on the ball. This time, however, I thought they were lagging. We would all like MARTA to go everywhere, and so would MARTA, but this isn't a question of why didn't we do this, this is a funding question. Also, it literally would not have been feasible to drop MARTA in under the new terminal from a construction standpoint. It still would have had to go to the Crescent Station (buses) in Clayton County and be fed to the terminal via shuttle.

The big takeaways to me were that:

1) This thing is opening May 16, 2012.

2) Current Concourse E will have capacity to service Korean Air's and Air France's A380s (Air France is not yet official).

3) A380s don't actually put a huge load on the runways. The added capacity is on the shoulders so that the engines do not travel over dirt, and it is on the gate, the timing (FAA regulates that no widebodies can be on the taxiways/runways parallel to an A380 at any given time), and the little door thing that you walk through to board (the A380 has 3 entrances and one whole floor is for business class/1st class passengers, and they are not allowed to be comingled with regular passengers).
A) The new terminal was not initially built to handle A380s as all the airlines said that Atlanta would not be a market.
4) Atlanta has roughly 500,000 passengers per gate per annum. This places it in the top 2-3 every year in terms of "at capacity." The international terminal will provide some alleviation, but ultimately Hartsfield is looking at building 38 more gates for domestic travel.

5) Passengers using the Int'l terminal can recheck their bags in the international terminal rather than using Terminal A, which has been a hastle in the past.

6) There will be a roadway coming straight from 75, but if you were to take 85 and park at the wrong terminal (the current terminal), then there is a shuttle that can take you to Terminal F, though when you return you would be parked on the wrong side.

7) The new terminal will be connected via people move. They were testing that out today.

8) The airport is owned and operated by the City of Atlanta, though none of our tax dollars go to support it. It is basically self-financed and financed through bonds. No separate authority operates the airport and Mayor Kasim Reed is ultimately the boss. Any capital expenditures north o $20,000 must be brought forth to the Atlanta City Council and approved.


Now on to the pictures:


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 1 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 2 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 3 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 4 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 5 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 6 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 9 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 8 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 10 by city_simmons, on Flickr



Warning: Never go on a hard hat tour with a bunch of architects/engineers. I thought we were never going to leave the damn terminal and I was late returning to work. Not only are a zillion questions asked (well that was all Soporta during the talk), engineers and construction people want to see and explore every nook and cranny. I just want to know the basics and zoom through. I just want to know the end results and the benefits of the terminal.

Quite frankly, as you can see from the pictures, the actual architecture and the artwork leaves A LOT to be desired. I was completely underwhelmed. Hartsfield Airport as a whole from an operational standpoint is about as impressive as can be and blows any other airport out of the water, but from an architectural standpoint it sucks. Just saying! About $1,115psf later and the place looks no better than your average convention center or arena. I was hoping for something akin to Raleigh's new terminal, which is literally jaw droppingly gorgeous.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2012, 4:00 AM
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Maynard Jackson International Terminal Tour

Today I had a chance to tour the new terminal with a group, and it was interesting to say the least. First there was an hour and a half long introduction to the terminal and the overall airport master plan. Maria Soporta was present and had quite a bit to say and several questions. She was concerned that there was not a new MARTA stop at the int'l terminal and that there were no high speed rail connections, which generally I totally agree with her and find her points totally on the ball. This time, however, I thought they were lagging. We would all like MARTA to go everywhere, and so would MARTA, but this isn't a question of why didn't we do this, this is a funding question. Also, it literally would not have been feasible to drop MARTA in under the new terminal from a construction standpoint. It still would have had to go to the Crescent Station (buses) in Clayton County and be fed to the terminal via shuttle.

The big takeaways to me were that:

1) This thing is opening May 16, 2012.

2) Current Concourse E will have capacity to service Korean Air's and Air France's A380s (Air France is not yet official).

3) A380s don't actually put a huge load on the runways. The added capacity is on the shoulders so that the engines do not travel over dirt, and it is on the gate, the timing (FAA regulates that no widebodies can be on the taxiways/runways parallel to an A380 at any given time), and the little door thing that you walk through to board (the A380 has 3 entrances and one whole floor is for business class/1st class passengers, and they are not allowed to be comingled with regular passengers).
A) The new terminal was not initially built to handle A380s as all the airlines said that Atlanta would not be a market.
4) Atlanta has roughly 500,000 passengers per gate per annum. This places it in the top 2-3 every year in terms of "at capacity." The international terminal will provide some alleviation, but ultimately Hartsfield is looking at building 38 more gates for domestic travel.

5) Passengers using the Int'l terminal can recheck their bags in the international terminal rather than using Terminal A, which has been a hastle in the past.

6) There will be a roadway coming straight from 75, but if you were to take 85 and park at the wrong terminal (the current terminal), then there is a shuttle that can take you to Terminal F, though when you return you would be parked on the wrong side.

7) The new terminal will be connected via people move. They were testing that out today.

8) The airport is owned and operated by the City of Atlanta, though none of our tax dollars go to support it. It is basically self-financed and financed through bonds. No separate authority operates the airport and Mayor Kasim Reed is ultimately the boss. Any capital expenditures north o $20,000 must be brought forth to the Atlanta City Council and approved.


Now on to the pictures:


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 1 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 2 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 3 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 4 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 5 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 6 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 9 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 8 by city_simmons, on Flickr


Maynard Jackson International Terminal 10 by city_simmons, on Flickr



Warning: Never go on a hard hat tour with a bunch of architects/engineers. I thought we were never going to leave the damn terminal and I was late returning to work. Not only are a zillion questions asked (well that was all Soporta during the talk), engineers and construction people want to see and explore every nook and cranny. I just want to know the basics and zoom through. I just want to know the end results and the benefits of the terminal.

Quite frankly, as you can see from the pictures, the actual architecture and the artwork leaves A LOT to be desired. I was completely underwhelmed. Hartsfield Airport as a whole from an operational standpoint is about as impressive as can be and blows any other airport out of the water, but from an architectural standpoint it sucks. Just saying! About $1,115psf later and the place looks no better than your average convention center or arena. I was hoping for something akin to Raleigh's new terminal, which is literally jaw droppingly gorgeous.
Thanks for sharing, and thanks for the insight about the big boy A380. I still find it hard to believe no last minute adjustment could be made to the new terminal to handle A380, I bet Delta had something to do with that.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2012, 3:50 PM
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simms3_redux, thanks for the great report and pics! I've been eagerly following the development.

I'm a little disappointed too how underwhelming it is. Perhaps they didn't want it to blow away the domestic terminals and keep the look consistent?

Still very excited for the new terminal!
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2012, 7:44 PM
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Wow! Those pictures are looking good! I can't wait to get inside at entire new terminal F. I am looking forward to it. I'm sure the terminal F will be completed it very soon. I will try to take a tour opportunity for me.
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simms3_redux, thanks for the great report and pics! I've been eagerly following the development.

I'm a little disappointed too how underwhelming it is. Perhaps they didn't want it to blow away the domestic terminals and keep the look consistent?

Still very excited for the new terminal!
Ha, that would be the ultimate excuse for not spending money. We didn't want to blow away the current terminal

I think its decent enough, but I don't like the blue lights (they look tacky and las vegas) and they should have gone with skylights instead in the main hall. Having no skylights is often a sign of value engineering.
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The blue lighting always seems to look better in person than in photographs, so I'll reserve judgment until I see it myself.
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Atlanta Still the busiest airport in the world.

Asian airports dominated gains in passenger numbers last year, with five hubs posting double-digit growth and Beijing narrowing the gap to world No. 1 Atlanta.

Jakarta was fastest-expanding among the top 30 terminals, growing traveler numbers 19 percent to 52.4 million, figures from Airports Council International show. Bangkok posted a 12 percent increase and Singapore, Guangzhou in China and Kuala Lumpur -- new to the ranking -- all exceeded 10 percent growth.

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Asian Airports Storm Global Rankings, Atlanta Keeps Top Spot Chris Rank/Bloomberg
Atlanta, home to Delta Air Lines Inc., remained top after its passenger total rose 3.4 percent to 92.4 million.

Atlanta, home to Delta Air Lines Inc., remained top after its passenger total rose 3.4 percent to 92.4 million. Photographer: Chris Rank/Bloomberg
.Atlanta, home to Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL), remained top after its passenger total rose 3.4 percent to 92.4 million, while Beijing had a 4.7 percent gain, to 77.4 million. London Heathrow displaced Chicago O’Hare to rank third after disruption from strikes and volcanoes decreased and Hong Kong (CXLTFREI) entered the top 10 at the expense of Denver, though its freight-market lead shrank.

“Asia is not only where the growth is in terms of GDP and incomes, which fuel demand, but levels of investment there mean its airports are also able to accommodate the increase, which is not necessarily the case elsewhere,” said Chris Tarry, an independent aviation analyst in London.

Hong Kong last week backed plans for a HK$86.2 billion ($11 billion) third runway and Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd. (MAHB) is adding a base for low-cost carriers at Kuala Lumpur. Beijing opened a terminal in 2008 bigger than all five at Heathrow, which is constrained by a government ban on a new runway.

Istanbul Surge
Two other airports in the global top 30, both in Europe, achieved double-digit jumps; Istanbul entered the ranking after lifting numbers 16 percent, second only to Jakarta, on surging growth at Turk Hava Yollari AO or Turkish Airlines (THYAO), and Amsterdam Schiphol posted a 10 percent increase to regain No. 4 spot in the region from Madrid, where traffic fell 0.4 percent.

Three other hubs saw numbers shrink -- Chicago, Houston and Tokyo Haneda, which handles the bulk of Japanese domestic traffic and suffered the biggest decline of all, 2.9 percent, following the earthquake and tsunami last March.

In the freight market, the amount of cargo handled at Hong Kong decreased by 4.7 percent to 3.97 million metric tons, keeping it ahead of Memphis, Tennessee, headquarters of FedEx Corp. (FDX), where the volume was static at 3.92 million tons.

Across the 906 airports surveyed cargo volumes slipped 0.1 percent, versus a 4.9 percent increase in passenger traffic. Of the top 30 for freight, 11 suffered drops and only three, Doha in Qatar and Cologne and Leipzig, had double-digit gains, with the German advances aided by a night-flights ban at Frankfurt.

Outside of the top 30, New Delhi attracted about 22 percent more travelers and Rio de Janeiro almost 21 percent more.

In Europe, Barcelona posted near-18 percent growth to 34 million passengers, spurred by a terminal extension and flights from Ryanair Holdings Plc (RYA) and EasyJet Plc. (EZJ) Moscow’s Domodedovo and Sheremetyevo hubs both achieved growth of about 16 percent.
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Where is tram station in the entire concourse F? What about those passengers who catch the tram from entire concourse A, B, C, D, E & T? I don't see the picture yet. Can you guys try to take a picture for me?
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Where is tram station in the entire concourse F? What about those passengers who catch the tram from entire concourse A, B, C, D, E & T? I don't see the picture yet. Can you guys try to take a picture for me?
The tram will be just like the other concourse taking the escalator to the lower floor and board tram for other concourses.
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Qatar Airways to Serve Atlanta, Chicago as 787 Deliveries Begin

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April 13 (Bloomberg) -- Qatar Airways Ltd. plans to start flights to Atlanta, Chicago, Boston and Detroit within the next year, doubling its U.S. network, as the carrier begins receiving Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliners.

A daily New York service will also be increased to three flights a day, with the addition of links via cities in Eastern and Western Europe, Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al Baker said yesterday in Montreal. The airline has daily flights to Washington and Houston.

“Qatar Airways is in the midst of a very aggressive expansion plan,” Al Baker said. “The only thing that stopped us from going earlier is the delayed delivery of the 787s,” he said about the U.S. flights.

The carrier has placed orders for 60 Dreamliners as it works toward boosting its global network to 170 destinations from 113 over three years. Like Dubai-based Emirates Airline and Etihad Airways PJSC, the carrier is using a Middle East hub to link markets in Asia, Europe and the Americas.

Qatar Air also plans to resume services to Rangoon, Myanmar in October, Al Baker said. The carrier’s order backlog also includes 60 A350s and 10 A380s made by Airbus SAS.

Boeing began delivering 787s last year ending more than three years of delays caused by struggles with new materials and production techniques.

--Editors: Neil Denslow, Dave McCombs
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Actually, QR will delivery first 787-8 Dreamliner sometime in early-2013 but, there is no specific date to be set yet. They hasn't started the production yet.
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Great points mrmocha, I agree with all your points. Yeah Delta tried the Shanghai route twice, maybe one of Delta 's Asia partners would do best. I believe Delta next african route will be Atlanta to Nairobi Kenya, which was cancel at the last minute by US Dept. of Transporation in 2008. It really did catch United a minute to catch on. Henceforth, I expect any Africa routes out of Atlanta, because of a larger affluent black population, and forture 500 companies, to do better than Houston oil traffic feed.
Delta's partnered with KoreanAir. There's a flight from Atlanta - Seoul then on to Shanghai. So...I'm not sure they'll be looking to establish a direct route soon...
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Delta's partnered with KoreanAir. There's a flight from Atlanta - Seoul then on to Shanghai. So...I'm not sure they'll be looking to establish a direct route soon...
Actually, I believe DL does have nonstop ATL-NRT but, DL has been discontinued service ATL-PVG due to poor performers. That is why the route doesn't workout very well.
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Actually, I believe DL does have nonstop ATL-NRT but, DL has been discontinued service ATL-PVG due to poor performers. That is why the route doesn't workout very well.
Right, and I was just pointing out that I think that was their angle in partnering with Korean Air.
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Atlanta airport int'l terminal grand opening!

Be sure to sign up via FB to attend Saturday's May 5 grand opening of the new int'l terminal!
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True, Etihad is probably the reason they haven't already started service to Chicago. However, Pakistan Int. Airlines has just left ORD and American Airlines canceled their service to Delhi, so there has been much speculation that this has created an opening for Emirates.

If I remember correctly, Emirates is planning to announce another new US destination within the next month or two. They just started service to Seattle as well. Delta already serves Dubai from Atlanta which is another reason I'd say it's less likely than Chicago.
Emirates announced service at Dulles.
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Emirates announced service at Dulles.
Yes, EK has already previously announced a while ago. EK will start nonstop DXB-IAD sometime on Sept 2012. It will operated 777-300ER aircraft. Later in 2013 EY will inaugurated service sometime on March 31, 2013. It will operated A340-500 aircraft.
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Korean Air to Introduce Airbus A380 Service to Atlanta from Jan 2013: W12 Operation Changes

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Second Update at 0530GMT 14AUG12

Korean Air from 01JAN13 is launching Airbus A380 service on Seoul Incheon – Atlanta service, where the aircraft will operate daily KE035/036 flight. Initially the Skyteam member will operate A380 on daily basis from 01JAN13 to 31JAN13, but this will be reduced to 3 weekly from 01FEB13. From 01FEB13, overall service to Atlanta appears to be reduced from 10 to 7 weekly as KE033/034 service is closed for reservation.

Schedule:

KE035 ICN1005 – 0930ATL 388 D
KE033 ICN1915 – 1840ATL 772 246

KE034 ATL0100 – 0550+1ICN 772 357
KE036 ATL1200 – 1700+1ICN 388 D

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1) From 01FEB13, KE035/036 operates with 777-300ER on Day x357 and A380 on Day 357
2) Reservation for 3 weekly KE033/034 is closed for flights on/after 01FEB13, since 0440GMT 14AUG12





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