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Old Posted Sep 21, 2011, 3:08 AM
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http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa...20Boundary.htm

My opinion on areas that are candidates:

AREA 1 - north of Kanata:

1a, 1b and 1c - Approve with restrictions on Shirley's Brook flood plain.
1d and 1h - Approve.
1e and 1i - Reject due to insuitable development use with the surrounding areas.
1f and 1g - Reject due to security issues.

Area 2 - west of Terry Fox extension:

2 - Reject as general development area due to isolation. Consider for special use (i.e. institutional).

Area 3 - north of Stittsville:

3 - Approve.

Area 4 - west of Stittsville:

4 - Approve.

Area 6 - south of Stittsville:

6a, 6b and 6c - Approve.

Area 7 - south of Barrhaven:

7a, 7b, 7c and 7d - Approve, provided developer pays for stabilization and greening of the area.

Area 8 - south of Leitrim:

8a, 8b, 8e and 8f - Approve.
8c and 8d - Partially approve. Reject within 200m of the wetland area.

Area 9 - east of Leitrim:

9a, 9b and 9d - Approve.
9c - Partially approve. Reject near the stormwater pond and allow for expansion.

Area 10 - south of Orleans:

10a and 10b - Approve with floodplain restrictions.
10c - Reject due to impact with Notre-Dame-des-Champs.
10d and 10e - Approve.

Area 11 - east of Orleans:

11a, 11b, 11c and 11d - Approve.
11e - Reject due to difficulty in access with RR 174.
11f, 11g and 11h - Reject due to natural features.
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UPDATE: Phase 2 of the urban boundary, the "where", is to be further phased!

Jan 2012 will be a hearing regarding the selection method (incorrectly referred to as methodology, being the study of methods) for what lands are to form the 850ha from the Phase 1 decision. The issue of converting Agricultural lands, if you can believe this, will also be examined.

The scoring of the lands from this method will then be brought forth in a hearing in July.

Abuse of system anyone?
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5 year moratorium on Country lot subdivisions approved... interesting decision from the Board

http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/e-decisions...ov-25-2011.pdf
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5 year moratorium on Country lot subdivisions approved... interesting decision from the Board

http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/e-decisions...ov-25-2011.pdf
I think the outlying municipalities are smiling there...
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One thing I am wondering...has there been a disproportionate amount of housing starts outside the City of Ottawa relative to the Ottawa Region as a whole? (Meaning, have more houses gone up in places like Carleton Place, Kemptville, Rockland, etc.)

I know in many cities in North America that has been the case recently, in large part due to housing prices and land use issues.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2011, 1:37 AM
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One thing I am wondering...has there been a disproportionate amount of housing starts outside the City of Ottawa relative to the Ottawa Region as a whole? (Meaning, have more houses gone up in places like Carleton Place, Kemptville, Rockland, etc.)

I know in many cities in North America that has been the case recently, in large part due to housing prices and land use issues.
stats are all available in Ottawa's annual development report (see the tables in the back). there's a lot of variation from year to year. http://www.ottawa.ca/city_services/s...dr_2010_en.pdf
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urban boundary phase 2a witness statements
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...%20Hearing.htm
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urban boundary phase 2a witness statements
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...%20Hearing.htm
I'd put the ball into the developers' court to develop their plans for the area and put it up for debate and public hearings. Then the decision should be made to approve or deny.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2012, 3:33 AM
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Peter Hume delivers rebuke to Mattamy Homes: Stop taking “shots” at city planners
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Pe...#ixzz1jmFaeCEg
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2012, 3:04 PM
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One thing I am wondering...has there been a disproportionate amount of housing starts outside the City of Ottawa relative to the Ottawa Region as a whole? (Meaning, have more houses gone up in places like Carleton Place, Kemptville, Rockland, etc.)

I know in many cities in North America that has been the case recently, in large part due to housing prices and land use issues.
Too late of a reply?

Do a search for CMHC Ottawa Housing Now 2011 as well. Depends on on what exactly you are after such as total starts, or singles vs multiples or % of stock, each show something different. The CMHC reports also has nice chloropleth housing maps of the Greater CMA (Ontario side) that shows the relative concentration of starts. You'll have to do your own work for % of housing stock but the data is there.

Generally new single starts haven't been that great across the Greater Ottawa area contrasting multiples inside the greenbelt.
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Day one of the Urban Boundary Phase 2A began yesterday.

Friends of Greenbelt settled with the City.

Mattamy continues to want Agriculture lands on the table. Unbelievable.
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City may have to add an additional 163 ha to urban boundary on top of 850 ha http://www.cbc.ca/ottawa/blogs/cityh...confusion.html

strange...
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Phase2A decision... City methodology confirmed.. appropriate to screen out prime ag. http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/e-decisions...pr-04-2012.pdf
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2013 OP and TMP review issues paper
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...ew%20Issue.htm
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My opinion on the general development:

* On country lots, they shouldn't necessarily be encouraged but if the demand exists, they should be permitted. However, they should not be subsidized in any way, shape or form by taxpayers beyond bare rural services. If they don't get approved in Ottawa, they will get approved in neighbouring municipalities. (And don't bring Queen's Park into a Greenbelt Act there as that will bring guaranteed extreme protests, since the municipalities surrounding Ottawa are MUCH more conservative than those around Toronto.)

* On town centres, certainly key areas should be designed for what are sometimes called "edge cities" with what I would call super-intensification. Tall buildings - with no set height limits - should be allowed in any of them. Those areas would be concentrated near transit hubs (not just stations).

* Overall densities in the suburbs should remain as they are now outside the core intensification areas. They seem to be standard for 2010s developments, and are higher than many areas inside the Greenbelt. However, if opportunities for higher-density development come, they should be seriously considered.

* As for the TMP, I would subdivide the Arterial category into 4 levels:

** Core Arterial (also includes City Freeways and Provincial Freeways) - these roads would form the main through traffic network, and also the main routes for goods movements. (Examples under city ownership: Hunt Club Road, Airport Parkway)

** Suburban Arterial - your standard arterial road in the suburbs, connecting communities and activity centres (Examples: Woodroffe Avenue, Jeanne d'Arc Boulevard)

** Urban Arterial - mainstreets for commercial and residential development and main transit routes, with the goal of developing into TODs and pedestrian-friendly corridors (Examples: Bank Street, Montreal Road)

** Parkway - NCC corridors plus other scenic routes where bicycle and pedestrian movements should be encouraged as well and trucks restricted if possible (Examples under city ownership: Riverside Drive, Carling Avenue west of Bayshore)
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It looks like the City of Ottawa continues to live in a state of denial:

"Ottawa continues to be Canada's fourth largest city in census population, behind Toronto, Montreal and Calgary, and Ottawa-Gatineau the fourth largest CMA, behind Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver."

http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit.../2012/04-24/10 - ACS2012-PAI-PGM-0099 Census Results.htm


Oh really? We're still the fourth largest CMA ("behind Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver") are we? For some strange reason though, Statistics Canada doesn't agree:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...emo05a-eng.htm


__________________________ -- 2008 -- 2009 -- 2010 -- 2011
Montréal (Que.) ___________ 3,764.8 3,817.8 3,869.8 3,908.7
Ottawa-Gatineau (Ont.-Que.) 1,200.9 1,219.7 1,238.4 1,258.9
Toronto (Ont.) ____________ 5,536.8 5,638.2 5,742.4 5,838.8
Calgary (Alta.) ___________ 1,188.3 1,221.9 1,242.5 1,265.1
Edmonton (Alta.) __________ 1,128.0 1,157.0 1,175.5 1,196.3
Vancouver (B.C.) __________ 2,279.1 2,336.0 2,388.6 2,419.7


(pardon my use of underscores as spacers)

The Calgary CMA went past the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA in 2009. Every year, the Calgary CMA grows by at least 20,000 while every year the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA grows by no more than about 20,000.

Oh yes, I know that City Staff have some esoteric argument with Statistics Canada over population counts, but whatever validity this argument has in Ottawa would likely apply all the more in Calgary.

It's time to face the facts: Ottawa-Gatineau is no longer the fourth but has dropped to being the fifth largest CMA. Worse still, Edmonton is catching up - they added 68k between 2008 and 2011 whereas we added 58k (and Calgary 77k): such an indignity that would be to be kicked out of the top five.
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. Worse still, Edmonton is catching up - they added 68k between 2008 and 2011 whereas we added 58k (and Calgary 77k): such an indignity that would be to be kicked out of the top five.
at least we still have another 5 years to sit in 5th, if current trends hold, before we'll suffer that ignominy ;-)
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We will at least beat Montreal one day. Might take 100 years, but still... As for Calgary and Edmonton; how long is that oil going to last?
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We will at least beat Montreal one day.
Really???
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at least we still have another 5 years to sit in 5th, if current trends hold, before we'll suffer that ignominy ;-)
It's more than that.

The current difference in population is 62.6k. The difference in growth is 10k over four years, so that would take 6.26 periods of four years, which works out to 25 years.


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We will at least beat Montreal one day. Might take 100 years, but still... As for Calgary and Edmonton; how long is that oil going to last?
How will we beat Montreal? They are growing by ~140k every four years while we are growing at 58k. Granted, we are growing faster in percentage terms, but that's only going to close the gap if that rate of growth can be maintained. To maintain a constant rate of growth requires an ever larger absolute growth.

The only sure way for a smaller place to catch up to a larger place is for the absolute growth in the smaller place to be greater than that of the larger place (i.e. what Calgary and Edmonton are doing compared to us). On absolute growth, Toronto leads, followed by Montreal with Vancouver very closely behind, then Calgary, Edmonton and us. Our absolute growth exceeds that of any of the other Canadian CMAs, so we're in no danger of dropping below sixth place. Assuming that Vancouver can pull ahead of Montreal, the long term hierarchy of Canadian cities will be:

Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
Calgary
Edmonton
Ottawa-Gatineau

... but Montreal will continue to be larger than Vancouver for a very long time.
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