MAX on SW Barbur/99W - Page 2

Snowden352 · #21 Posted: **Sep 26, 2008, 2:58 PM**

I don't think you can expect too much of an incrase of federal monies. With the economy where it is, and where the government is poised to take it... a trillion dollars (or so) of additional debt might be too much for even our government to deal with...

I'm just trying to think realistically (hell, the CRC could be in trouble).

edit: looks like I was right...
http://www.oregonlive.com/environmen...says_scal.html

twofiftyfive · #22 Posted: **Sep 26, 2008, 3:09 PM**

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I'm just trying to think realistically (hell, the CRC could be in trouble).

The CRC is in trouble.

Shilo Rune 96 · #23 Posted: **Jul 10, 2011, 1:21 AM**

MAX tunnel to Oregon Health and Science University a possibility

Photo courtesy of The Oregonian

Portland, are you ready for another MAX tunnel?

The idea – and let’s be clear, that’s all it is at this point – has surfaced in discussions about extending light rail out Southwest Barbur Boulevard to Tigard and beyond, next in line for the region’s growing light rail system.

The tunnel would serve Oregon Health & Science University, the city’s largest employer, through an underground station similar to the one that serves the Oregon Zoo.

“It might be a speck of dust on somebody’s desk,” said Mary Fetsch, TriMet spokeswoman, but she said any discussion of a specific project is premature.

A decision to build a tunnel – or even to extend light rail to the Southwest, is a long ways off, but officials from the state, Portland, Metro, TriMet, and other cities in a corridor out to Sherwood have launched a mosaic of planning efforts aimed at determining first where the population growth and employment centers should be, and then figuring out the best way to connect them, Portland city planner Tracy Morgan told the Hillsdale Neighborhood Association Wednesday night.

Read the full article here....

65MAX · #24 Posted: **Jul 10, 2011, 2:38 AM**

Just an aside...

It's not mentioned in the article, but an OHSU subway station could be deeper than the Washington Park station, and possibly even the deepest in the world if it surpasses 340 feet.

JordanL · #25 Posted: **Jul 20, 2011, 6:20 PM**

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Just an aside...

It's not mentioned in the article, but an OHSU subway station could be deeper than the Washington Park station, and possibly even the deepest in the world if it surpasses 340 feet.

The Washington Park stop is already the second deepest in the world, behind a station in Russia.

Grantenfuego · #26 Posted: **May 1, 2012, 9:52 AM**

http://www.katu.com/politics/Washing...?tab=video&c=y

Starting to feel like these old-timer automobile lovers will prevent me from ever seeing this line happen in my lifetime. Someone should tell this guy that in three years, when his drivers license is revoked for whatever reason, vision, hearing ect... MAX will be a viable option for him.

Eco_jt · #27 Posted: **May 1, 2012, 3:48 PM**

yeah, nothing is more upsetting than reading anti-rail comments and watching old farts complain about how they hate light rail. *sigh*

Oh well, maybe their worst fears will come true and politicians will "ram light-rail down their throats" anyways...I might take fancy in that

eric cantona · #28 Posted: **May 1, 2012, 9:00 PM**

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http://www.katu.com/politics/Washing...?tab=video&c=y

Starting to feel like these old-timer automobile lovers will prevent me from ever seeing this line happen in my lifetime. Someone should tell this guy that in three years, when his drivers license is revoked for whatever reason, vision, hearing ect... MAX will be a viable option for him.

typical balanced coverage from our local media. I'm sure it would have been very, very difficult to find an alternate viewpoint to Mr. "get off my lawn" somewhere in the city. assholes.

Grantenfuego · #29 Posted: **May 8, 2012, 6:40 PM**

It never ends.

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The issue of the future of metro-area transportation hit close to home recently - on March 23, four initiative petitions were filed in King City, Tigard, Tualatin and Sherwood that could, if approved, force a public vote on financing any new rail systems through those cities.

http://www.theregalcourier.com/news/...46975391285800

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Reynolds said that light rail is too expensive to be feasible. "We can afford it like we can four holes in the head," she said. "The whole premise of light rail is that it promotes a clean environment, and global warming has been debunked, so we don't need it. And it will impact businesses close to the highway because light rail will take up two lanes."

bvpcvm · #30 Posted: **May 9, 2012, 1:32 AM**

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"and global warming has been debunked"

oh jeebus. sure it has.

bvpcvm · #31 Posted: **May 9, 2012, 1:37 AM**

i just hope this generation of old narcissistic assholes lives long enough to see that they were wrong.

65MAX · #32 Posted: **May 9, 2012, 7:17 AM**

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i just hope this generation of old narcissistic assholes lives long enough to see that they were wrong.

Nah, just let them die off as soon as possible. You could show them endless examples of how wrong they are and they'd still refuse to accept the facts. Might as well let them croak now and put them out of their misery.

RainDog · #33 Posted: **May 9, 2012, 2:52 PM**

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Nah, just let them die off as soon as possible. You could show them endless examples of how wrong they are and they'd still refuse to accept the facts. Might as well let them croak now and put them out of their misery.

It's incredibly aggravating. I can't fathom how people can maintain an auto-centric mindset after spending any amount of time in a walkable/bikable/transit oriented area. Why would you choose sprawl and autos over density and transit options?

I moved here from the Sacramento area, where the layout of the city isn't very conducive of transit/biking/walking. I mean the whole city is on a standard grid that is diced up and wedged between two diagonal freeways with a river running through the whole mess

. I can't imagine thinking "Oh yes, THIS is how a city should be! Sprawl! Traffic! Strip malls and surface parking! No choice but to drive..."

Bleh.

bvpcvm · #34 Posted: **May 9, 2012, 3:00 PM**

convenience, or what they imagine to be convenient, trumps everything. give me acres of free parking and get off my lawn!

Grantenfuego · #35 Posted: **May 10, 2012, 10:53 AM**

This perception is slowly changing and will continue to, for many. Unfortunately, even though I am a young man and will see many positive changes in my lifetime, I will not see the future for transportation that I would like to.

Grantenfuego · #36 Posted: **May 10, 2012, 11:32 AM**

PS. I really liked the article from the New Yorker. That is the sort of conversation that is needed to change popular attitudes.

zilfondel · #37 Posted: **May 10, 2012, 7:24 PM**

Light rail in the Portland area has survived and has been obviously been very successful politically with the expansion plans that have occurred over the past 10 years.

This is why electing leaders who can promote these projects are critical. There will always be naysayers and NIMBYs. I think the current crop of anti-transit is purely related to the tea party & national politics.

tworivers · #38 Posted: **May 11, 2012, 8:45 AM**

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There will always be naysayers and NIMBYs. I think the current crop of anti-transit is purely related to the tea party & national politics.

I think this is mostly to blame, yes, but I think it is also related to the sort of stage that we're in as a city. I'm in Barcelona right now and it's hard not to think about Portland as a bit of a grumbling, narcissistic adolescent. Kind of makes sense in that light that there is a backlash against our mass transit improvements, bike "amenities" (to quote to the enlightened local media), and attempts at urban planning...particularly outside of the center of town.

Grantenfuego · #39 Posted: **Aug 25, 2012, 12:38 AM**

Bad news.

http://www.oregonlive.com/tigard/ind...roves_c_1.html

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Tigard City Council unanimously approved a resolution at Tuesday night's meeting that will put a charter amendment regarding light rail construction before voters this fall.

The amendment would require a public vote prior to imposing new local taxes or fees to fund light rail construction and would expire after 10 years. A vote would also be required before current fees or taxes could be increased to pay for light rail construction.

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The summary statement for the charter amendment states that the measure, if passed, could limit Tigard's ability to provide the local funding match.

It's almost exactly what anti-light rail petitioners want

Is it even worth it to bring light rail to Tigard ect.? I almost think Portland should just say screw 'em and end the line at PCC sylvania.

bvpcvm · #40 Posted: **Aug 25, 2012, 2:12 AM**

I kind of doubt, given the political climate, that this would even be an issue in the next ten years. Maybe by the time this expires, LRT won't be so controversial. (haha)