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Old Posted: Feb 22, 2012, 7:31 PM
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An arrest was announced at the 11am police news briefing in the dumpster case.

The people being asked if they saw anybody covered in blood late Tuesday night was probably related to a Portage Place security guard being stabbed in the Portage Ave bus shelter after he asked a loiter to move on.
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An arrest was announced at the 11am police news briefing in the dumpster case.

The people being asked if they saw anybody covered in blood late Tuesday night was probably related to a Portage Place security guard being stabbed in the Portage Ave bus shelter after he asked a loiter to move on.
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Old Posted: Mar 29, 2012, 7:00 PM
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For anyone who has been following the Stobbe trial, the jury just found him not guilty.

It's a bit hard to swallow, but I think the jurors made the right call, albeit a very difficult one, since the evidence was entirely circumstantial. Definitely not an easy task being a juror, knowing from experience unfortunately. When the FreeP reported they looked emotionally distraught, I definitely don't blame them for what they've gone through, especially going through the trial for 2 months, and listening to evidence throughout the trial. Then get sequestered for nearly 3 days, it's very emotional.

Part of me still believes he did it, but regardless, the evidence (or lack of it, depending on your view) explains it all, and what's been done, is done.

Anyways, I hope true justice is found for Rowbotham.
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Old Posted: Mar 29, 2012, 7:45 PM
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^ I followed it. It was quite interesting to read all the court testimony etc.

I agree that it was obvious from the reporting in the media that the cast against Stobbe was very circumstantial, and barring a break down on the stand with him confessing, he was not going to be found guilty.

So basically there are three scenarios:

1) he acutally is innocent, and the killer who pulled an abosultely random crime still walks amoungst us.

2) he is a diabolical criminal mastermind, who planned and executed the perfect crime, and got away with murder

3) he attacked his wife in a fit of anger, came up with a crude plan to attempt to cover it up, and got extremely lucky.

I personally believe the truth is closest to #3.
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Old Posted: Mar 29, 2012, 8:09 PM
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Either way... it's not like he is a threat to the public (unless someone actually marries this guy).

He has probably lost all of his friends and associates through this and most probably are thinking that option #3 is what happened. He will live the rest of his life lonely and isolated and probably die within the next 10 years (based on his obesity).

To me, he will be in prison but without the taxpayer expense.
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Old Posted: Mar 29, 2012, 8:10 PM
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However, I don't know if the RCMP came (Dominions BARELY an minutes walk away), or the police, cause I heard sirens shortly after we left...
The RCMP wouldn't respond to a call at the Pal. It isn't in their jurisdiction.

Besides, isn't the building on Portage and Dominion just the Division D headquarters and not a detachment?
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Either way... it's not like he is a threat to the public (unless someone actually marries this guy).

He has probably lost all of his friends and associates through this and most probably are thinking that option #3 is what happened. He will live the rest of his life lonely and isolated and probably die within the next 10 years (based on his obesity).

To me, he will be in prison but without the taxpayer expense.
That is true. He's going to live in isolation for the rest of his life. I feel for his sons too, and I fear for their psychological well being for the rest of their life.
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Old Posted: Mar 29, 2012, 8:37 PM
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^ agreed. That video evidence showing the mother pushing a shopping cart around with her son on the day she would eventually be murdered must have been especially hard for them to see.
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I still find it hard to believe that your wife could be brutally murdered in the back yard (screaming and all), have her wrapped up, loaded into the trunk of your car in the attached garage, have the garage door open and the car stolen and driven to Safeway in town where ironically your wife shopped at earlier in the day and not be aware of any of this. It sounds utterly impossible unless you did it and covered it up or hired someone else to do it.

....either way i understand the evidence was why he got off, but.......
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The RCMP wouldn't respond to a call at the Pal. It isn't in their jurisdiction.

Besides, isn't the building on Portage and Dominion just the Division D headquarters and not a detachment?
Isn't the RCMP under a federal mandate though? Plus in the news, it keeps mentioning people turning themselves in to Division D HQ. They must have adequate facilities, armed officers, etc...
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Isn't the RCMP under a federal mandate though? Plus in the news, it keeps mentioning people turning themselves in to Division D HQ. They must have adequate facilities, armed officers, etc...
They are federal and would have armed officers, but they wouldn't be the responders. Primary jurisdiction would be WPS. 9-1-1 calls go to WPS within Winnipeg, and D Division would likely have less staffing at that time of night. and they might not have even heard anything.

Unless a mountie happened to be driving by on their way out/in and see the fight happening -- the mounties wouldn't have responded.
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I don't mean to start a huge debate here, but why every time there are suspects reported in the newspaper, or the news, are they labelled as white, black, etc. etc. and then Aboriginal in appearance? Is it discrimination to say that you saw an aboriginal man or woman commit a crime, even after claiming that two other people were of a definite race.
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I don't mean to start a huge debate here, but why every time there are suspects reported in the newspaper, or the news, are they labelled as white, black, etc. etc. and then Aboriginal in appearance? Is it discrimination to say that you saw an aboriginal man or woman commit a crime, even after claiming that two other people were of a definite race.
I know of couple a Asian women who do look "aboriginal in appearance"
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I know of couple a Asian women who do look "aboriginal in appearance"
But you understand what I am referring to right?
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But you understand what I am referring to right?
I don't really get it.

In regards to the general use of, "[insert race here] in appearance", I don't think it's discrimination as it's information that may be useful. It is a grey area though, as trebor has noted. When I first moved here for high school some of my classmates thought I was a "tall filipino". All this said, I don't think you were referring to the general use of the phrase.
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Let there be no mistake, I am not trying to be discriminatory in any way, in fact I am Métis, so to do so would be insulting myself, however I am starting to see some major irony in the fact that many different ethnicities can be pointed out directly, yet when referring to Aboriginals it is always followed with the subtext "in appearance".

What I mean by this, is that are we so afraid to offend our aboriginal people that we can't even acknowledge that a crime was committed by one. My question is, if a man who was aboriginal stepped in front of a bus to save a lady was the focal point of an article, would the title read, "Man, Aboriginal in Appearance..." I would assume no, because it is positive in nature.

It seems our society is so afraid of our Aboriginal community, that we cannot put them in a negative light without first trying to throw in a shade of grey. The same situation occurs when stories highlight how chiefs rip people off. Everyone knows many Chiefs allow their band to starve while they cash their rewards, yet we can't come out and say it.

Some things are just handled very poorly with our Aboriginal people, and it is beyond frustrating. We are no more special than any other person in this country. I may have Native blood in me, but I have no more right to this land than the descendent of immigrants who landed here 200+ years ago.
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Old Posted: May 22, 2012, 11:36 PM
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I am starting to see some major irony in the fact that many different ethnicities can be pointed out directly, yet when referring to Aboriginals it is always followed with the subtext "in appearance".
That's got to be a Winnipeg news thing. In Thunder Bay, they just say "Aboriginal" or "Native Canadian", without any qualifiers.

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It seems our society is so afraid of our Aboriginal community, that we cannot put them in a negative light without first trying to throw in a shade of grey. The same situation occurs when stories highlight how chiefs rip people off. Everyone knows many Chiefs allow their band to starve while they cash their rewards, yet we can't come out and say it.
Even though communities like Attawapiskat are required to be audited on a regular basis and have all of their spending approved by AANDC bureaucrats (with authority from the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs, ie the Federal Cabinet), they still manage to be "corrupt". So what, exactly, is broken and corrupt?

If anything, that shy reluctance to blame aboriginals is due to the people who are doing the "blaming" knowing that it is the federal government that set things up to fail. the "hidden agenda" of the Indian Act was to "prove" that Indians couldn't function as a society by restricting their rights, to justify the Residential School System and its cultural genocide. That law requires all bands to keep track of where their members are, something that is illegal in Germany because that kind of data was used to conduct the holocaust. And we wrote that into a law that was passed 13 years before Hitler was born.

There is also the fact that, not all aboriginal chiefs are corrupt. Most, in fact, try the hardest the can to make sure that everyone is as well off as possible under the circumstances. There are a few problem reserves, but then there are many reserves where you never hear of corrupt leadership because it isn't any worse than it is in our municipalities. But the way Federal law lays out First Nations governance is a big problem. Provinces are responsible for local government for most Canadians, but the reserves are Federally regulated, and the Federal Government isn't very good at defining how local government should operate. It wasn't until recently that a standard for drinking water systems existed on reserves. Provinces had them, but reserves aren't legally part of provinces, so they were exempt from any rules about drinking water other than the basic guidelines from Health Canada. Provinces have a funding structure in place to maintain and improve drinking water systems, but the Federal Government must do this as part of its "stimulus spending". The Harper Government will be spending $300,000,000 on this over the next few years.

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We are no more special than any other person in this country. I may have Native blood in me, but I have no more right to this land than the descendent of immigrants who landed here 200+ years ago.
There is a collection of 90 to 150 year old treaties between our ancestors and the crown and a 136 year old law that beg to differ. But considering status aboriginals don't actually have the right to own land that is considered "theirs", unless they trade that right for all the "rights" they get from the treaties, then I suppose you're correct when you say that you have no more right to this land than the descendents of immigrants who landed here over 200 years ago. In fact, you have less.

In Ontario, those descendents are approving mines in close proximity to reserves with very little consultation with those reserves. That alone reinforces the colonial era racism that is inherent in our law. So many things are provincial matters, and reserves are excluded from provinces, that so many things are simply out of reach for aboriginal communities. They're not occupying and blockading because they enjoy it, they're occupying and blockading because they have no legal recourse within the provincial government system. It's hard to influence a province's decisions when you're not legally part of it.

Look at it this way: Thunder Bay collects land taxes from communities in unincorporated territory to the north, while remote Northern First Nations can't stop a mining project immediately adjacent to their boundaries without breaking the law. (Leaders of a NWO reserve were actually jailed for trying to do so.)
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Let there be no mistake, I am not trying to be discriminatory in any way, in fact I am Métis, so to do so would be insulting myself, however I am starting to see some major irony in the fact that many different ethnicities can be pointed out directly, yet when referring to Aboriginals it is always followed with the subtext "in appearance".

What I mean by this, is that are we so afraid to offend our aboriginal people that we can't even acknowledge that a crime was committed by one. My question is, if a man who was aboriginal stepped in front of a bus to save a lady was the focal point of an article, would the title read, "Man, Aboriginal in Appearance..." I would assume no, because it is positive in nature.

It seems our society is so afraid of our Aboriginal community, that we cannot put them in a negative light without first trying to throw in a shade of grey. The same situation occurs when stories highlight how chiefs rip people off. Everyone knows many Chiefs allow their band to starve while they cash their rewards, yet we can't come out and say it.

Some things are just handled very poorly with our Aboriginal people, and it is beyond frustrating. We are no more special than any other person in this country. I may have Native blood in me, but I have no more right to this land than the descendent of immigrants who landed here 200+ years ago.
I understand what you're saying now (and as an aside, I wasn't suggesting discrimination on your part either).

My quick response is that I haven't noticed it, and by it I mean the "in appearance" qualifying statement that gets applied if the description is 'Aboriginal'. I've stopped paying attention to these media stories, potentially for this reason or another, I forget.

In regards to the uber-sensitivity towards Aboriginal people, one can see it in official statements (such as media outlets). However, one then only has to view unofficial statements in social media (newspaper comments, facebook, twitter) to see that such a level of sensitivity is not universal.

Getting back to the "in appearance" discussion, I would suggest that it could be due to the fact that appearing Aboriginal is more subjective that appearing caucasian or black (rightly or wrongly). In any spectrum, the extremes are more apparent. Thus, with the tan appearance of Aboriginal people, and the tan appearance of so many other races, we see the 'in appearance' qualifier made by official statements.
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