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Old Posted: Mar 22, 2012, 5:28 AM
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I probably think the latter, but who really knows. I really don't think anything in Toronto gets appealed to the OMB.Now 70 stories of glass-crapular height is the norm there.
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Old Posted: Jun 16, 2012, 2:40 PM
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The SOHO Condos facebook page has a new rendering for the SOHO Italia. In the comment box someone asked if the design has changed and they replied that they've changed the design after meeting with the city and consultants.



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Old Posted: Jun 16, 2012, 3:02 PM
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Oh, another bland block. How original.
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Old Posted: Jun 16, 2012, 4:24 PM
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Yup, it was too exciting for people. Better make it familiar, like the boxy 1970s concrete towers Ottawans have come to envision as your 'average' high-rise buildings.

With this kind of action, nothing will ever change, and nobody will be able to point to a new, tall building and say "Hey, this isn't so bad."

They hate height, and they hate unfamiliarity. Better to have a facsimile of a building they already hate than something new? Mankes no sense at all.
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Old Posted: Jun 16, 2012, 6:49 PM
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Well, I'll like it as long as it's tall. I think like was mentioned above about Toronto, once more tall buildings are accepted and built here, then the kind of height for buildings like this will be acceptable on a regular basis, without multiple appeals.
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Old Posted: Jun 16, 2012, 11:36 PM
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Oh, another bland block. How original.
Even though I prefer the original design (and I hope they use it again on a future project) and this is a box, I don't think this design is that bad.
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Old Posted: Jun 17, 2012, 2:38 AM
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Oh, another bland block. How original.
No, see they've got those little sticky-out balcony thingies up near the top.

Anyway, it's a safe, conservative kind of town, so that's a safe, conservative design move. And it'll age better than the wavy box even if it's insufferably un-daring. The podium looks better (not a blank, albeit wavy, wall facing the street).
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I have always been a fan of clean functional designs. Much better than the Claridge Plaza designs.
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Old Posted: Jun 17, 2012, 5:29 PM
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Soho was able to acquire more land to the north (I believe there is a Turkish restaurant and 2 other properties) so their design was going to change from their original concept.

As much as I find square/block building to be bland, I do have to say that their longevity in remaining a nice looking building far exceeds the "Mondrians" in the Ottawa area. Sure the design is simple and "safe" but it won't look like an eye-sore in 5-10 years.

Plus, Ottawa buyers claim to want "different" and "unique", but builders end up having to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get something like that passed through our council, thus increasing the cost of the suites/condos, and it's been proven again and again, Ottawans may ask for something new and different, but they won't pay more for it. So where is the incentive to the builders to do this? It's far easier for them to build something plain and safe, get it approved much faster and cheaper and sell it out.

That being said, I do have to say, I like what they did with the base of the building (which is really what's most important, no one walks around the city looking 25 stories up). Personally when I shop for a condo, I don't put as much value on the exterior of the project as I do on the interiors of the suites and the amenities within the project. I'm anxious to see what Italia is going to offer.
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What is that? 32 stories? Hard to tell on my phone... Not a bad comprise if it gets approved!
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What is that? 32 stories? Hard to tell on my phone... Not a bad comprise if it gets approved!
I counted 31, but like you said, hard to tell. As for the new render, its true that it's not particularly exciting, but that said, I'll trade the former "exciting" design with the 7 storey above ground private parkade any day. That said^(squared), this isn't great, going from offensive to not-offensive is hardly much in the way of progress, really.
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I don't know much about selling condos, but good luck to them selling all those units with no balconies; even if they don't use them much, Ottawa folk seem to really value the option of a private outdoor space.
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i'm still a little bitter that they dropped the Chicago 'Aqua' influenced look !

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Old Posted: Jun 17, 2012, 11:56 PM
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i'm still a little bitter that they dropped the Chicago 'Aqua' influenced look !

"influenced", "stolen", who are we to judge?
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Old Posted: Jun 18, 2012, 1:09 AM
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true that...but at least they were trying to do something unique for ottawa!
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Old Posted: Jun 18, 2012, 4:26 AM
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What's the timeline on this in terms of approvals, etc, and when might construction actually start? Given that Soho Champagne hasn't broken ground yet, I'm guessing not for a while.
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"influenced", "stolen", who are we to judge?
There are dozens of buildings with that look in North America (there are 2 in Mississauga, a couple in Toronto, 1 in Chicago, 1 on Vegas, etc...). Architects are constantly being "inspired" by one another. If the design is both functional and stylish, I don't see an issue with builders duplicating concepts, especially if they are duplicating a concept found in anotehr city or country. It only bothers me when builders build the same thing repeatedly in the same city or even same neighbourhood, I understand it's cheaper for them and builders are in this business to make money, but it's small cost to be slightly more imaginative.
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Old Posted: Jun 18, 2012, 7:23 PM
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Planning department OKs 30-storey ‘SoHo Italia’ condo
By David Reevely, The Ottawa Citizen June 18, 2012 3:20 PM

OTTAWA — New plans for a controversial 30-storey building at the south end of Preston Street have the nod from the city’s planning department, says the architect working on the plans.

Mastercraft Starwood’s “SoHo Italia” condo tower would be the tallest thing on Preston, at least for now, and architect Rod Lahey said he hopes it’ll define how the land rush around the Carling O-Train station affects Little Italy.

“We’ve really gone through an amazing process. More detailed than anything I’ve ever gone through, and I’ve worked on some sensitive sites,” Lahey said. He thinks the city’s goal was to establish ground rules for building designs in the area, and other would-be developers will have an easier time if they follow the SoHo Italia model. Designers and city staff spent days in meetings, hammering out the details, he said.

“What you’re going to see in this cluster of buildings … is an intensification around the transit station, which is what the city wants, and a transformation of Little Italy,” Lahey said. “I think you’ll see more retail, not just restaurants. It’s kind of like what we’ve seen in the [ByWard] Market, where there’s been change and a lot more people but it hasn’t changed the essence of the Market.”

Mastercraft Starwood first proposed a 36-storey building, which would have been the tallest in Ottawa, with a cultural institution like a museum of Italian-Canadiana on the bottom few floors. After a hostile reception — and the realization somebody else would have to actually run the museum — the company retrenched and proposed a 29-storey building. Now it’s up one floor again, with a more usual three-floor “podium” for stores and offices at the bottom, pools and party rooms, for residents above that, and then condos the rest of the way up.

The plan triples the width of the sidewalk that’s adjacent to the site now, Lahey said, and creates a small plaza that should bring life to a dead stretch of the street now.

But the site is zoned for a building about two-thirds as tall as Mastercraft Starwood is proposing.

“I think we’re at a point where we can start having a conversation about design, as opposed to height,” Lahey said. “What we hope to prove with this is that with proper design and a nice podium, the height doesn’t matter very much. If it’s 12, 20, or 30 storeys, it doesn’t make that much difference.”

At a certain point, a building is just tall, Lahey said. What matters when you reach that stage is what’s happening on the levels people can readily see from the ground. In the SoHo Italia’s case, an earlier version of the plans included five floors of parking garage above ground level. The current version puts all that parking underground, at considerable expense.

“I don’t have a dollar amount but it would be something like six months of construction added to the schedule,” Lahey said. “You’d be adding millions.”

But it makes for a very different building at street level, he said, one that’s a lot better than the initial idea. The plans head to city council’s planning committee for approval June 26.

In the meantime, the SoHo Italia proposal has been surpassed, at least on paper, by an idea from Claridge for a 42-storey condo tower on the east side of Preston. To the west, overlooking the O-Train tracks, Dow Honda is selling its property to Richcraft. On the other side of the tracks, builders including Mastercraft Starwood and Domicile Developments have more condos at various stages of approvals.

It’s all coming ahead of a final version of a community design plan, a city document that’s supposed to guide redevelopment of the old light industrial land around the rail line.

The final version isn’t done yet and isn’t due for city council’s approval till February anyway. Drafts call for taller buildings close to the Carling O-Train station — to take advantage of a major transit line that’s eventually supposed to be part of the electric light-rail system — but the details haven’t been settled yet.

Preston itself is supposed to be restricted to much shorter buildings, to preserve its traditional main-street feel. But by the time the plan’s done, important parts of it could be moot because of what’s already been approved.

Calls to Councillor Diane Holmes and the Preston Street merchants’ association, both of whom have been critical of earlier versions of the building proposal, weren’t immediately returned.

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I like the part where Lahey basically acknowledges the above-ground parkade was a terrible idea that was just about cutting corners (and costs). A conspiracy theorist might wonder if this was deliberately done so that Planning Department types would devote the lion's share of their efforts to righting that one egregious wrong in the proposal, and lay off the height issue? Kind of like the tactic of planting a few obvious questions in a presentation so the bigwig gets to feel smart and useful for "catching them" while the presenter is already set with the answer in hand.

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Old Posted: Jun 18, 2012, 8:09 PM
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Here are the pics from the Citizen story. I particularly like the second pic. The building looks good from Dows Lake. Imagine that picture with more buildings!





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Old Posted: Jun 18, 2012, 8:21 PM
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Soho Italia condo plan chops 5 storeys

By Jon Willing ,Ottawa Sun
First posted: Monday, June 18, 2012 01:48 PM EDT | Updated: Monday, June 18, 2012 03:18 PM EDT

Recent renderings of Soho Italia, a proposed 30-storey Mastercraft Starwood condo tower for 490-500 Preston St.

A revised application for a 30-storey condo in Little Italy reaches the political level next week as the community association fears a "wasteland of big towers" in the area.

Mastercraft Starwood's proposed Soho Italia at Preston and Sidney streets, just north of Carling Ave., has been scaled back from the original 35-storey concept by moving five levels of parking underground.

Architect Rod Lahey said above-ground parking is common in condos but the city wasn't keen.

"The city just couldn't get their head around parking above grade. They wanted to have more of an animated podium level," Lahey said Monday.

He revisited his original design, whose signature features were long, curvey balconies stretching up from a dark podium.

The new concept has smaller balconies, sharp corners and a glassy podium.

Lahey said his team spent a lot of time trying to liven up the lower levels of the building. Part of the work was carving in a two-level restaurant with an outdoor terrace.

An outdoor pool and party room is slated for the fifth floor.

"It's a great example of how you can do a high rise building in a low rise community and still have it fit in," Lahey said.

Councillors on the planning committee will consider the application June 26.

City staff are recommending the committee approve the development but the local residents' group is apprehensive.

Michael Powell, president of the Dalhousie Community Association, said change is inevitable but the city must do a good job of managing it.

"It's big," Powell said of the Soho Italia massing.

"The overwhelming concern with this type of project is that these are all happening well in advance of where the community design plan is."

The Bayview-Carling community design plan is still in development.

"Preston is supposed to be a traditional main street. We want to make sure it maintains that pedestrian focus," Powell said.

The Preston/Carling intersection, which is steps from an O-Train station, is poised to change dramatically in the coming years.

Claridge is considering a 42-storey condo on the east side of the intersection and Richcraft Homes is buying a car dealership on the other side.

Powell called it the "wild west" for condo proposals but Lahey said Preston St. development can be just as successful as the Byward Market by building high around the perimeter.

"No one is proposing marching down Preston St. with 30-storey buildings," Lahey said.

jon.willing@sunmedia.ca

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