The fastest-gentrifying neighborhoods in the United States...

[10023]

^ This, and it's not really urban either. It's a small neighborhood of single family homes (and isn't the aquarium there too?).

[JDRCRASH]

Won't be much longer before some neighborhoods around Downtown LA start showing up this list, like Lincoln Heights, Boyle Heights, Central-Alameda, MacArthur Park, Pico-Union, etc.

[liat91]

Originally Posted by NY Jew

Manhattan Beach is anything but genterfied it's a majority Russian Jewish neighborhood.

True. I was just pointing it out as the "whitest" in town city neighborhood I found. It's always been nice, with the old jewish population essentially replaced by wealthy Russian Jews.

Here are a few more; gentrified and others as well

Lenox Hill, NY 83% $122,522
Tribeca, NY $76% $121,222
Gold Coast, IL 85% $119,143
Flatiron, NY 76% $118,703
Turtle Bay, NY 75% $118,166
Pacific Heights, CA 77% $116,029
West Village, NY 83% $112,532
Presidio Heights, CA 81% $110,862
Lincoln Square, NY 69% $109,726
SoHo, NY 81% $108,708
Streeterville, IL 69% $107,390
West Paces Ferry, GA 90% $107,244
Upper West Side, NY 76% $106,681
Marina, SF, CA 80% $106,533
Georgetown, DC 84% $95,208
Brooklyn Heights, BK 77% $90,858
Rittenhouse Square, PA 80% $90,722
Madison Park, WA 90% $90,127
Marina Del Rey, CA 74% $86,663
River Oaks, TX 72% $86,549
Cherry Creek, CO 88% $86,000
South Beach, SF, CA 58% $85,021
Uptown, Dallas 80% $84,614
Lincoln Park, IL 83% $84,529
Back Bay, MA 82% $83,719
Hudson Square, NY 82% $83,433
Noe Valley, CA 69% $79,616
Upper Kirby, TX 71% $76,300
Adams Morgan, DC 68% $70,753
Nob Hill, SF 50% $66,322
Bucktown, IL 77% $65,163
North Beach, SF 42% $61,868
Hyde Park, Cinci 89% $60,623
Grand Lake, Oakland 63% $60,291
Hancock Park, CA 56% $58,639
Mount Pleasant, DC 50% $55,744
Westwood, Los Angeles 57% $50,696
Ingleside, San Fran 28% $42,743
Beverly, IL 59% $42,692
Forest Hills, QN 57% $41,098
West LA, CA 49% $40,838
Southside Flats, PA 91% $36,665
Lakeside, SF 42% $34,284
Fresh Meadows, QN 31% $33,432
Eagle Rock, CA 31% $32,500
Bergen Beach, BK 69% $30,552
Over the Rhine, OH 35% $23,318
Central, Cleveland 4% $8,183 (poorest urban neighborhood I came across)

Kiryas Joel, NY 98% $6,223 (poorest place I came across period)

[mello]

Originally Posted by JDRCRASH

Won't be much longer before some neighborhoods around Downtown LA start showing up this list, like Lincoln Heights, Boyle Heights, Central-Alameda, MacArthur Park, Pico-Union, etc.

But where will all the Guatemalan/Salvadorian immigrants live? Gotta pack em in somewhere ese. I don't see hipsters moving in to those crappy apartments with roaches and stuff. Hey it ain't Bushwich lol. Plus where will the economic growth in LA come from. When Netanyahu bombs Iran LA will be hit especially hard.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by liat91

Kiryas Joel, NY 98% $6,223 (poorest place I came across period)

That city is 100% Hasidic Jewish. It was built by and for the Hasidic Jewish community. Probably one of the more unique places in the U.S.

[CGII]

Kiryas Joel is the poorest community in the United States. Really weird place too, there's a lot of conflict between the city and county and state as the city keeps implementing Orthodox Jewish law that heavily conflicts with the constitution.

[10023]

Originally Posted by CGII

Kiryas Joel is the poorest community in the United States. Really weird place too, there's a lot of conflict between the city and county and state as the city keeps implementing Orthodox Jewish law that heavily conflicts with the constitution.

Yep. If a Muslim community did this there would be an uproar, but because they're Jewish it's OK for some reason.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by liat91

True. I was just pointing it out as the "whitest" in town city neighborhood I found. It's always been nice, with the old jewish population essentially replaced by wealthy Russian Jews.

Here are a few more; gentrified and others as well

Lenox Hill, NY 83% $122,522
Tribeca, NY $76% $121,222
Gold Coast, IL 85% $119,143
Flatiron, NY 76% $118,703
Turtle Bay, NY 75% $118,166
Pacific Heights, CA 77% $116,029
West Village, NY 83% $112,532
Presidio Heights, CA 81% $110,862
Lincoln Square, NY 69% $109,726
SoHo, NY 81% $108,708
Streeterville, IL 69% $107,390
West Paces Ferry, GA 90% $107,244
Upper West Side, NY 76% $106,681
Marina, SF, CA 80% $106,533
Georgetown, DC 84% $95,208
Brooklyn Heights, BK 77% $90,858
Rittenhouse Square, PA 80% $90,722
Madison Park, WA 90% $90,127
Marina Del Rey, CA 74% $86,663
River Oaks, TX 72% $86,549
Cherry Creek, CO 88% $86,000
South Beach, SF, CA 58% $85,021
Uptown, Dallas 80% $84,614
Lincoln Park, IL 83% $84,529
Back Bay, MA 82% $83,719
Hudson Square, NY 82% $83,433
Noe Valley, CA 69% $79,616
Upper Kirby, TX 71% $76,300
Adams Morgan, DC 68% $70,753
Nob Hill, SF 50% $66,322
Bucktown, IL 77% $65,163
North Beach, SF 42% $61,868
Hyde Park, Cinci 89% $60,623
Grand Lake, Oakland 63% $60,291
Hancock Park, CA 56% $58,639
Mount Pleasant, DC 50% $55,744
Westwood, Los Angeles 57% $50,696
Ingleside, San Fran 28% $42,743
Beverly, IL 59% $42,692
Forest Hills, QN 57% $41,098
West LA, CA 49% $40,838
Southside Flats, PA 91% $36,665
Lakeside, SF 42% $34,284
Fresh Meadows, QN 31% $33,432
Eagle Rock, CA 31% $32,500
Bergen Beach, BK 69% $30,552
Over the Rhine, OH 35% $23,318
Central, Cleveland 4% $8,183 (poorest urban neighborhood I came across)

Kiryas Joel, NY 98% $6,223 (poorest place I came across period)

The West Paces Ferry area of Atlanta is part of Buckhead, which has never been "gentrified" as far as I know. It has, almost from the beginning, been a very wealthy (and mostly white) area.

[Kingofthehill]

Originally Posted by 10023

Yep. If a Muslim community did this there would be an uproar, but because they're Jewish it's OK for some reason.

Sounds about right.

[llamaorama]

Also zip codes can cover multiple neighborhoods. Few of them are a surprise though.

EDIT: I made a post about 78705 in Austin, but its actually 78702, lol.

[Rail Claimore]

Originally Posted by 10023

Just thought this would be interesting fuel for discussion. No surprise to see a lot of Brooklyn on here:

http://www.edexcellence.net/commenta...ed-states.html


Before anybody hems and haws about it, this guy is using the % white population as a proxy since the income data isn't available yet. But setting aside the fact that educated and higher income Blacks, Latinos and Asians can also be gentrifiers, this probably works pretty well.

That's why there aren't more California zip codes on that list.

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

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[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by 10023

How fast is the Hasidic population growing, really? I know they tend to have tons of kids, but I really don't want to see Orthodox Jews (or any other devoutly religious group) become a political force in the city.

The Jews have already been a political force since Abe Beame, Ed Koch, and now Bloomberg, they were also the political which forced out the city's only black mayor, David Dinkins, and put Rudy Giuliani, even though most Jews are registered as Democrats. I'm not just talking about the Orthodox ones, but all of the Jews I'm talking about have been secular Jews!!!!!

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

The Jews have already been a political force since Abe Beame, Ed Koch, and now Bloomberg, they were also the political which forced out the city's only black mayor, David Dinkins, and put Rudy Giuliani, even though most Jews are registered as Democrats. I'm not just talking about the Orthodox ones, but all of the Jews I'm talking about have been secular Jews!!!!!

The Jewish vote isn't monolithic. There is really no such thing as the "Jewish vote" in a city where Jews tend to be either liberal, secular and wealthy (Manhattan-focused) or conservative, deeply religious and not so wealthy (Outer Borough-focused).

And Dinkins lost his reelection campaign because of Staten Island, which had huge turnout, and relatively few Jews.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Crawford

The Jewish vote isn't monolithic. There is really no such thing as the "Jewish vote" in a city where Jews tend to be either liberal, secular and wealthy (Manhattan-focused) or conservative, deeply religious and not so wealthy (Outer Borough-focused).

And Dinkins lost his reelection campaign because of Staten Island, which had huge turnout, and relatively few Jews.

On the presidential level, jews are a monolithic voting block.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...l/jewvote.html

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

On a presidential level, jews are as monolithic a voting block as can be.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...l/jewvote.html

Yes, but we're talking NYC, not nationwide.

The NYC Jewish demographic has little to do with the U.S. Jewish demographic. It's just totally different.

Something like 90% of the U.S. Jewish population is Reform Jewish or Conservative Jewish (conservative as in synogague affiliation, not politics). In NYC, Orthodox & Hasidic Jews dominate most of the city outside of Manhattan. And even Manhattan has a different thing going on, as it's heavily secular, and those that aren't are Modern Orthodox.

The NYC suburbs have tons of the "sterotypical" Jewish demographic, but the city proper has a different thing going on.

[NY Jew]

first of all the jewish vote is split big here are a few numbers to ponder over.
1. the most McCain ED in the whole country was almost all jewish and voted for McCain 885-3-1 (in Lakewood)
2. the only area of the country with over 50,000 people that voted for McCain at a 90%+ rate was in Borough Park.
3. the only ED's in NY state to vote for McCain at over a 80% rate were all majority Jewish. (Orthodox or Russian)

Originally Posted by wanderer34

The Jews have already been a political force since Abe Beame, Ed Koch, and now Bloomberg, they were also the political which forced out the city's only black mayor, David Dinkins, and put Rudy Giuliani, even though most Jews are registered as Democrats. I'm not just talking about the Orthodox ones, but all of the Jews I'm talking about have been secular Jews!!!!!

just for the record the only parts of the city to vote for McCain more then Bloomberg were Jewish.

if Marty Golden (Irish) for example ran for mayor against Bloomberg Golden would most likley win over 90% in some jewish areas.

here's a good map for the Bloomberg elections
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ayor-vote.html

you can see on this map that the only areas in red (Thompson beating Obama) are jewish
http://www.google.com/search?q=bloom...w=1280&bih=834


in regards to Dinkins the NYT wrote this in 1989 about his first run

About 55 percent of all voters turned out Tuesday, although the percentage soared past 65 percent in some predominantly black neighborhoods, where Mr. Dinkins exceeded his showing in the mayoral primary as well as the Rev. Jesse Jackson's totals in last year's presidential primary. Defections to Giuliani

Blacks constituted about 28 percent of the total turnout - a substantially higher percentage than their share of registered voters. Jews customarily make up a smaller percentage of the turnout in the general election than in the Democratic primary, and white Catholics represent a larger one.

The raw returns dramatize defections to Mr. Giuliani in Jewish and white Catholic neighborhoods.

He carried, just barely, the Bedford Park, Belmont and Pelham Parkway sections of the Bronx, represented by Assemblyman George Friedman, the Bronx Democratic leader, and the Flatbush and Park Slope district in Brooklyn, represented by Assembly Speaker Mel Miller, a Democrat. In the Borough Park section of Brooklyn, represented by Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who corraled the Hasidic community for Mr. Giuliani, he won by 5 to 1. Mr. Dinkins lost Forest Hills and Kew Gardens in Queens by 3 to 1.

this was written by the NYT on the 1993 election

In 1993, 53d Street between 18th Avenue and 17th Avenue was one of four blocks in the 56th Election District, which gave 228 of its 231 votes to Mr. Giuliani. The result in the 56th district -- part of an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood angry at Mayor David N. Dinkins -- was the most statistically lopsided of any in the entire city.

In fact, voting patterns were so similar across the city that even though district lines have changed somewhat since 1989, a map showing the candidates' relative strengths on Tuesday is almost an exact copy of the 1989 map. The numbers within the districts are similar, too. In the integrated and liberal Flatbush-Park Slope area Mr. Dinkins received 13,925 votes on Tuesday, as against 14,143 in 1989. On the Upper West Side he received 25,916, compared with 23,287 four years ago.

In Central Harlem, Mr. Dinkins received 29,464 votes compared to 30,560 four years ago; in Bedford-Stuyvesant, his vote declined to 26,714 from 28,384. Mr. Giuliani's vote grew in Forest Hills, Queens, from 25,519 to 29,288 and in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn from 23,343 to 30,320.

here are the elections results by county for 1989 and 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yor...elections#1993



change in Giuliani's vote total from 1989 to 1993
Staten Island +25,036
Brooklyn +20,226
Manhattan +8,671
Queens +6,859
Bronx -1,020

change in Dinkins's vote total from 1989 to 1993
Manhattan -12,762
Queens -9,569
Bronx -9,276
Brooklyn -7,560
Staten Island -1,481

can't find a map of the 1993 or 1989 elections would love if someone can post one though.

[Crawford]

In 1989 and 1993, when Dinkins ran for office, the city's electorate was very different from today.

There was still a big, mostly elderly secular Jewish contingent in the Outer Boroughs, and one could say that the NYC Jewish community was closer in outlook to the overall U.S. Jewish community.

Nowadays, most Outer Borough Jews (meaning most NYC Jews) are Orthodox or Hasidic. The older secular Jews passed on or moved to Boca or wherever, and were replaced by fast-growing Orthodox and Hasidic populations.

Meanwhile, in Manhattan, the Upper West Side gained a Modern Orthodox population. In Queens, Israelis moved to Kew Gardens Hills, Bukharan Jews (from Central Asia) moved to Rego Park and Russian/Ukranian Jews moved everywhere in Brooklyn.

Though, more recently, the increasing waves of gentrification means that the children and grandchildren of those secular Jewish folks who formerly lived in the Outer Boroughs have since returned, and now are living in Park Slope or wherever. I assume these Jews tend to vote "urban progressive" or whatever you want to call the "gentrified" vote.

Their parents/grandparents were secular and more conservative. They were the stereotypical Bensonhurst/Canarsie Jews of the 50's/60's.

[NY Jew]

Originally Posted by Crawford

In 1989 and 1993, when Dinkins ran for office, the city's electorate was very different from today.

There was still a big, mostly elderly secular Jewish contingent in the Outer Boroughs, and one could say that the NYC Jewish community was closer in outlook to the overall U.S. Jewish community.

Nowadays, most Outer Borough Jews (meaning most NYC Jews) are Orthodox or Hasidic. The older secular Jews passed on or moved to Boca or wherever, and were replaced by fast-growing Orthodox and Hasidic populations.

Meanwhile, in Manhattan, the Upper West Side gained a Modern Orthodox population. In Queens, Israelis moved to Kew Gardens Hills, Bukharan Jews (from Central Asia) moved to Rego Park and Russian/Ukranian Jews moved everywhere in Brooklyn.

Though, more recently, the increasing waves of gentrification means that the children and grandchildren of those secular Jewish folks who formerly lived in the Outer Boroughs have since returned, and now are living in Park Slope or wherever. I assume these Jews tend to vote "urban progressive" or whatever you want to call the "gentrified" vote.

Their parents/grandparents were secular and more conservative. They were the stereotypical Bensonhurst/Canarsie Jews of the 50's/60's.

I agree with you that electorate has changed since then but a few points.

1. the Upper west Side's Orthodox Jewish population is not that much bigger now then it was 20 years ago.
2. the Orthodox% population in NY during this election was still slightly higher then the current % of Orthodox jews (probably around 14% today)
3. most 2 generation non Orthodox jews (who were a large part of the jews in the city at that time) were more conservative on the issues (contemporary definitions) then 3rd and 4th generation jews
4. the gentrifiers are mostly not jewish and those who are barely identify as such.
5. the Conservative Catholic vote in NY was much bigger then through out the city.

basically I would say that the 1989 started a new era of NY politics (one where the gentrifiers upset the balance) where blacks, and hispanics coalition behind one candidate usually a minority candidate and jews (not ) and Catholics ally behind another (based on different issues of mutual concern)

this Giuliani coalition recently helped elect Bob Turner.

[MostlyHarmless]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

well, i was under the impression that it's only a holding place for federal inmates appearing before federal court a couple of blocks away, not a conventional prison where inmates serve out their terms. i could of course be wrong on that.

You are 100% correct. It's a holding facility. Any long term prisoner storage is simply due to limited space at other facilities. Prison terms are typically not served here and the building isn't designed for long term sentences.

(I've visited twice)



(on tour, not as a resident. )