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Let There Be Light...

'There had been a time in Los Angeles, (over) a century ago, when a scattering of dimly lit gas lanterns, hanging from an occasional front porch, were the only traces of light on the otherwise darkened city streets. By law, early residents and business owners in the small pueblo of 12,000 were required to hang a lamp outside their doorway for the first two and one half hours of every dark night, or face a penalty of $2 for the first offense and $5 for each subsequent offense.

It was a vexing time for early Angelinos who could rarely leave their homes at night without stumbling about in the dark, toting candle-burning lanterns to find their way. A rumbling began among the citizenry for universal night lighting. The need for city dwellers to be able to find their way home, to have protection from crime, and to have greater illumination for stores and properties at night created fervor of support.

The interest was intensified in 1882 when Thomas Edison put his Pearl Street Station – the first commercial central station in the world – in operation on September 4 in New York. This was the start of the electric industry as it is known today.

The Edison plant supplied its light through incandescent lamps. A similar kind of lighting, in an improved form, was proposed for Los Angeles by C. L. Howland, representing the California Electric Light Company. While numerous proposals had been made, on September 11, 1882 the City Council unanimously voted to enter into a contract with Howland to “illuminate the streets of the city with electric light.”

At the time, it was a revolutionary idea. The proposal called for Howland, at his own expense, to erect seven, 150-foot-high masts each carrying three electric lights or lamps of three thousand candle-power. The masts were to be located in the heart of the city and its settle suburbs “which would be thoroughly and satisfactorily illuminated.”' Historical notes, DWP - LA Public Library Image Archive


one of first seven electric street lights, los angeles

(Early 1880s) - One of the first of seven electric street lights installed in the City of Los Angeles at Main and Commercial in 1882. Each of the 150-foot-high masts carried three electric lights of three thousand candle-power. All seven lamps and a small power plant to provide the electricity were installed by C. L. Howland (One year later, Howland and others formed the Los Angeles Electric Company).

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'Howland set quickly to work. He had received a deadline of December 1, 1882 to have the masts erected and electricity on. By October 25, he had purchased a lot on the corner of Alameda and Banning Streets where he proceeded to erect a brick building, 50 by 80 feet, to house the boilers, engines and the 30kw, 9.6 ampere “Brush” arc lighting equipment for supplying the electric energy. Three weeks later, by November 16, the masts were in place and soon afterwards the pole lines and wires were strung along the streets leading to the masts.

By December the only hold-up was the delayed arrival of the dynamo and lamps. In growing anticipation, the citizens anxiously awaited the moment in history when the first streetlights would illuminate the night skies of Los Angeles. That moment came on December 30, 1882 before an admiring crowd of spectators. Mayor Toberman threw a switch at twenty minutes past eight, simultaneously lighting two mast tops, one at Main and Commercial and the other at First and Hill.

An account in the Express newspaper at the time, recounted the historic event in this way: “The Main Street light burned steadily and beautifully and it cast a light similar to that of the full moon on snow. The First Street light was very unsteady, glowing at times with brilliancy and again almost fading from sight. The only complaint so far is from young couples who find no shady spots on the way home from church or theatre.”'

By the following evening, five more masts were lighted on First Street and Boyle Avenue; Avenue 22 and North Broadway; First Street and Central Avenue; Fourth Street and Grand Avenue; and Sixth and Main Streets. Historical notes DWP - LA Public Library Image Archive


main and commercial streets, circa 1885

Main and Commercial Streets circa 1885, looking at the Temple Block, with Adolph Portugal's store, a site later occupied by City Hall. One of the City's first 150 foot high electric light pole can be seen. On the left is the United States Hotel.

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first electric light plant, los angeles, 1883

(1883) - The first electric light plant in Los Angeles was built in 1882 by C. L. Howland (Los Angeles Electric Company) on the corner of Alameda and Banning Streets.

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'The project was considered so successful that before the expiration of Holland’s two year contract, he and others had formed the Los Angeles Electric Company, which besides serving streetlights, supplied arc lights for commercial establishments.

In May 1905, the first ornamental post system in the city was introduced on Broadway between First and Main Streets. This installation consisted of 135 posts each equipped with six small glass globes, enclosing 16 candle-power lamps, and one large glass globe, enclosing a 32 candle-power lamp. This system operated until 1919 when it was demolished to make way for a more modern system.' Historical notes DWP - LA Public Library Image Archive


street light maintenance BP&L crew early 1920's

Would love to identify the location of this shot and find a picture of the Shell Station. It looks beautiful.

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street light maintenance Electric powered street light truck

I love this picture. What a perfectly logical contraption. Early 1920's

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street light maintenance BP&L early 1920's

The guy on the ground seems a bit casual for my money. Wonder if they drew straws.

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street light maintenance BP&L early 1920's, detail

It doesn't get any better from this angle. What year did OSHA come in?

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street light maintenance 5-ton truck circa 1935

(July 1935) – Greatly facilitating the maintenance work on street light standards, a new five-ton tower truck was placed in service June 6th by the Power Bureau’s Street Lighting section. The first painting job assigned to the truck’s crew was two-light standards on Broadway between California and Pico Streets. Here one of our distinctive 'Broadway Roses' gets a new coat of paint.

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street light maintenance DWP building circa 1956

Street light maintenance of what appears to be a United Metal no.1193 supporting early twin pendants. Municipal Water and Power building is seen in background.

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street lighting maintenance hollywood freeway

(1952) - Street lighting maintenance unit on the Hollywood Freeway. Modern-day lamplighter seen against Los Angeles' downtown skyline is James Salazar of the Street Light Maintenance section. These lights on the Hollywood Freeway don't have to be lit by hand, of course, but they do require washing and globe replacement. On ground is Joe J. Restivo. Truck with electrically operated ladder is one of four used by Street Light section. I wonder if Mr. Restivo and Mr. Salazar could have imagined we would be looking at them and thinking about their lives sixty years after what was likely a typical work day. 1952 little to no traffic on the freeway and look at that little Jeepster going by.

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'Let there be light...', He said, and there was light.

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Your slide appears to be a freeze frame from film footage taken of the 1938 Los Angeles Floods. The view can be see towards the end of this youtube clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYp5pvOSc00

The location is the present day junction of the I-5 and Pasadena Freeways and the LA River

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Old Posted: Jul 17, 2012, 5:32 PM
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Thanks for the information Wig-Wag...greatly appreciated Jack.
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Fantastic post on the electrification of Los Angeles MichealRyerson.
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1927: Traffic policeman has a tea break at Broadway and 11th Street, downtown Los Angeles.





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1927: Traffic policeman has a tea break at Broadway and 11th Street, downtown Los Angeles.


[source for both images: mothgirlwings.tumblr.com]
Is that a large bird back there walking beside that woman? Geesh, Los Angeles was a way more interesting place back in the day! I've got to get out more.
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Is that a large bird back there walking beside that woman? Geesh, Los Angeles was a way more interesting place back in the day! I've got to get out more.
It's either a large bird or the woman is Bjork's grandmother and she dropped her stole...
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Old Posted: Jul 17, 2012, 9:27 PM
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We may have inadvertently stumbled upon the reason we so rarely see pigeons in these old photos.
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Old Posted: Jul 17, 2012, 11:12 PM
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There must be a place here for Weegee!


weegee and collaborator mel harris

Weegee and collaborator Mel Harris combing through hundreds of photos for "Naked Hollywood."
franklin avenue

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below: The slide enlarged and tweaked. An exceptional photograph of a natural disaster. Can anyone place the location?



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That looks a little like North Figueroa and Riverside Drive. The bridge is all wrong though
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Floods make some of us seek higher ground. Most of the views of T. Lowe's Lookout Mountain make it seem remote and rustic.

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When in reality, it depends upon your perspective. Can't recall seeing this particular shot on this forum. It appears that Lookout-ville was a tiny pastoral holdout under direct assault from a monstrous urban sprawl. Tremendous view nonetheless.

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I don't remember ever seeing this image before. I hope it's not a repeat.


Third and Hill, 1902LAPL


3rd Street, looking west, with a close-up view of a streetcar near the 3rd Street Tunnel in Bunker Hill. The conductor stands outside on the streetcar steps as a woman carrying a parasol and a young boy walk by. Edwin B. Crocker's mansion is seen above. Angel's Flight has not yet been built.
Your bucolic image brought to mind this pastel-toned slice of paradise (allegedly 1905). If one did not know any better, it looks like Walt's Kingdom in Anaheim - without the crowds, full parking, bizarrely dressed characters, and steep-as-a-funicular admission price.

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Map of the old portion of the city...(1873)

I hope we haven't had this on the thread before. I can't find it. If it's been here already somebody tip me off and I'll remove this one. I think it's a lovely map and I went big so that you could read all the notations.


PlazaMap3LOC

LibraryofCongress

I think we may have seen this image before but I wanted to put it up with the map. I think they go together nicely even though separated by 23 years.


aerial photograph of the lugo house, circa 1880

Black-and-white aerial(?) photograph of Don Lugo's townhouse on the Plaza in downtown Los Angeles.
Historical Background: When St. Vincent's Select College for Boys opened in 1865, the first classes were held in a few rooms in a two-story townhome on the Los Angeles Plaza built by Don Vicente Lugo in the 1840s. Two years later, the school moved to a permanent building on Hill Street, and the Lugo Adobe became a Chinese restaurant. It was torn down in 1951. Although the LMU archives have this print identified as an aerial photograph, I can't believe it's actually an aerial photo. I think it's much more likely taken from the hill above New High Street.
Department of Archives and Special Collections, Loyola Marymount University

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I'd forgotten that there was once a Los Angeles Airways that shuttled pax between LAX and downtown, Disneyland and other SoCal destinations.
ebay.com

http://viewlinerltd.blogspot.com

Full story here:
http://viewlinerltd.blogspot.com/200...r-service.html
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http://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/s55-01.jpg

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below: The slide enlarged and tweaked. An exceptional photograph of a natural disaster. Can anyone place the location?



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That looks a little like North Figueroa and Riverside Drive. The bridge is all wrong though[/QUOTE]
Westcork,

I had completely forgotten about the first of the following two attached websites when I responded to Ethereal Reality's initial inquiry. The scene is virtually unchanged today with the exception of the underpinnings of the Figueroa Street bridge which were rebuilt with the cementing in of the Los Angeles River.

http://lariverrailroads.com/laflood.html

http://lacreekfreak.wordpress.com/20...gueroa-bridge/

Be sure to scroll down for the best of the pre and post pictures on the latter site.

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2nd St Tunnel and Hill St

Some pics maybe have been reposted yet or maybe not...


1- 2nd St and Hill, looking west. Uncertain date.




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2- 2nd street and Hill, looking west, circa 1920.



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3- Works for the 'new' 2nd St tunnel, 1924 (?)




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4- Opening of the 2nd Street tunnel, 1924




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5- 2nd Street and Hill and a glimpse of Bunker Hill.




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6- 2nd St Tunnel. The present day.



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7- 2nd St and Hill (then and now)



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And finally, 2nd St and Figueroa during the works of the tunnel, 1924:




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SOURCES: Pics 1,2 3, LAPL.
Pics 4, 5, and 7 LA Times.
PIC 6 found at Flickr. MORE info about the pic and about the topic: ON BUNKER HIL ( http://onbunkerhill.org/TheDirtPatchofSecondandHill )Please correct those soures if they're wrong.

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Hello all, I am newly registered but I've been following this thread for about a year - from around page 220 (and then reading all previous pages too, of course!). It's easily one of the greatest forum threads on the web. I finally registered because I thought the following was just a little too cool to keep to myself:

I have been having fun using Google Earth to load vintage USGS topographic maps, and then loading modern 3D buildings on top of them. This works especially well in the LA area as there are thousands of buildings rendered in 3D, and a large number old topos available for LA County. Here is an example of downtown:

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credit: USGS via Gelib (linked below)/Google Earth

The USGS map used is from 1928. In this example, I un-checked most of the display options like labels, streets, etc., for the sake of cleanliness.

To get the index for the topo maps, go here:
http://www.gelib.com/historic-topographic-maps.htm

Just open the .kml file link on that page using Google Earth and you will get outlines of the available topos, which you can then select to load by clicking its name on the Google Earth map. There are a few broken links but a large number of 1920s and 1930s topos available. The overlays' opacity can be changed so you can see the modern aerial imagery beneath a semi-transparent vintage topo. In my picture above, I have the Los Angeles 1928 topo selected in the Places window at left, and the transparency slider is just beneath it. You can also select to hide a specific 3D building by right-clicking it. (It will remain hidden until Google Earth is restarted.)

It's very interesting to see the modern buildings laid on top of the old street grid - seeing what is different and also what is the same, and it's helping me to mentally place old images from the thread.

Since I went ahead and registered I also decided to do a quick photo stitch of the two pics from page 428 that were taken from the county courthouse. None of the programs I had would connect these because they're too different, so I did it manually. It's rough because of the different resolutions but I think they really were taken from the very same spot so it turned out pretty ok:

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left side from http://www.skyscrapercity.com/ via post by ethereal_reality; right side from CC Pierce Collection via MichaelRyerson's post and Flickr stream

Couple of comments that I've been sitting on while waiting for posting privileges:

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**Which led to this?

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and this?

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I think it more likely that the Zep Diner and especially the Los Angeles lamp were spawned by the USS Los Angeles, built by the Zeppelin company for the US Navy (in part as war reparations), and predating the Graf Zeppelin by several years (notice the LZ127 on the Graf; before delivery the Los Angeles was numbered LZ-126).

Couple more things:
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Can a penny on the track cause this much damage??
During my childhood in Fullerton, my first attempt to put a penny on a railroad track resulted in the penny being squirted out from under the slow-moving freight train's wheel and off into the rocks about 30 feet away. I never found it. I returned with more pennies and some masking tape. What I retrieved the following day was a very squashed penny with just the faintest hint of a smeared Lincoln Memorial on one side.
A second penny was left for several days and ended up as a squarish copper-colored blob spread so thin that there was a hole in it.

RE: the railroad & bridge flood picture -
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That looks a little like North Figueroa and Riverside Drive. The bridge is all wrong though
That's because that is the second Dayton Avenue Bridge, which replaced the first in 1927-28. It was replaced by the current Figueroa St./Riverside Dr. bridge in 1939 when the LA river was lined with concrete in part as a result of the pictured 1938 flood. The eastern approach was retained when they replaced that main arch span. There is a great blog post with many pictures, going over the long history of bridges at that location: LA Creek Freak EDIT: which of course was linked by Wig-Wag while I was working on this post!

I drove over the 1939 bridge last Labor Day weekend as part of a Route 66 road trip. It is slated to be replaced and comments in the blog post above indicate that restrictions have begun, but I live in Vegas so I don't know if that project has fully closed the bridge yet. Any locals want to chime in?

So, there goes my first post. Thank you all for such a fantastic thread!

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^^^ Awesome first post
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Welcome to the thread, ProphetM and congratulations on a really good first post. Very interesting stuff. I'm pretty convinced the two pics you stitched together were taken from pretty much exactly the same place but separated by a couple of years. Which, if correct, is pretty amazing that the cameras were set up in so much the same spot. If I remember correctly ER's pic showed a part of Justicia Street as well. Some utility poles were apparent in his image but not in mine. Also there was some pretty noticeable growth in a couple of trees. But still the POV was pretty much identical. Anyway, welcome again.
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Sorry for double post, how do I delete?

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Hi, my first post here on this great forum and even greater coverage of Los Angeles, As for plastic models I feel the builder has nailed it.




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