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Old Posted: Jul 25, 2012, 11:15 PM
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Thunder Bay averaged 4 to 7 murders per year in the 1980s. It now averages 1 to 3. It spiked a few years ago but so far this year we've only had one, and it happened between inmates at the jail so it's kind of unclear if it counts or not.

Crime goes up: "OMG This is horrible the statistics prove what I have been saying!"
Crime goes down: "The statistics are lying! I think crime is going up so it must be true that crime is going up!"
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Old Posted: Jul 25, 2012, 11:56 PM
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I'm showing 101,619 for 2011. Are you maybe using the data for the municipality instead?
Ah that must be it. My mistake
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Old Posted: Jul 26, 2012, 1:10 AM
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Winnipeg is perfectly safe, even in the bad parts, I walked everywhere and if you mind your own self you have no issues.

What the big issue here and this is not to be racist is the fact here in MB and SASK we have very very large Native populations, most are dirt poor and addictions are rampent. This in return forms gang violence, if you honestly look at who is killing who here at least in winnipeg it is 90% Natives. It is a sad case as our usless NDP does nothing to help the situation out and then the always wonder why we have so many murders.

Otherwise nothing really exciting happens here.....
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I've spent part of the past 2 years in Sydney, NS, and I have witnessed this town shrink.

Buildings have closed, got demolished, and never replaced. Downtown Sydney is a sad place to be.
The surroundings area like Whitney Pier, Membertou and so on are even worse, with countless abandoned homes and such.

The crime rate here is pretty low because of the aging population.

Some of the elders told me stories of years in the 1970s when Sydney had 10-15 murders a year. That was before the mines closed, the steel mill went bankrupt and the cod fishery collapsed!

Now it sometimes has 1 or 2 murders. sometimes 0 !!

Methinks some of the elders might be getting a bit senile.
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What about the Unreported Crime Data?
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Old Posted: Jul 26, 2012, 2:29 AM
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What about the Unreported Crime Data?
It should plummet shortly just as soon as Harper gets all the unreported criminals in the jails he's building for them.
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Old Posted: Jul 26, 2012, 4:44 AM
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It is a sad case as our usless NDP does nothing to help the situation out and then the always wonder why we have so many murders.
What is the Provincial NDP to do? Aboriginal issues fall under INAC which is a federal agency. The Provincial NDP have absolutely no power to affect the daily lives of those who live, or did live, or have family who live, or are affected by those who lived...on reserves.

The problem is that the bulk of the absolutely crushing aboriginal poverty cases occur in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and NWO, and the powers that be are sheltered from the affects of this poverty (hello crime data) in places such as Ottawa and Toronto.

We know there is a problem with the system. But until that problem starts affecting the daily lives of those in "central" Canada, nothing real will be done to address the underlying issues. Areas of Winnipeg will be complete ghettos before that happens.
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Winnipeg is perfectly safe, even in the bad parts, I walked everywhere and if you mind your own self you have no issues.
I've always felt safe walking around downtown Winnipeg but I didn't feel safe in the North End. Agreed about minding your business but even with that, I just got a weird vibe there.


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Wow, 5 of the 10 communities on the Lowest Crime Severity Index list are right here in Essex County! Just goes to show that Windsor- Essex is a vey safe part of the country, contrary to what some people might think. Proximity to the Detroit area really doesn't have much effect on our crime stats here. Great to see the area doing so well!
True, 4 of the 5 safest communities in Canada are in Metro Windsor!! Lots of people are ignorant about our area though...we might as well be on Mars. But our murder-free streak made national headlines and I think that's helped.
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What is the Provincial NDP to do? Aboriginal issues fall under INAC which is a federal agency. The Provincial NDP have absolutely no power to affect the daily lives of those who live, or did live, or have family who live, or are affected by those who lived...on reserves.

The problem is that the bulk of the absolutely crushing aboriginal poverty cases occur in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and NWO, and the powers that be are sheltered from the affects of this poverty (hello crime data) in places such as Ottawa and Toronto.

We know there is a problem with the system. But until that problem starts affecting the daily lives of those in "central" Canada, nothing real will be done to address the underlying issues. Areas of Winnipeg will be complete ghettos before that happens.
The federal government has no responsibility for aboriginals who decide to live off reserve. The only way to change that would be to reopen treaties one through eight. And INAC is not the name of the federal department anymore. They are now called Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada (AANDC). I think the federal government is well aware of the issues with the system. Oka, Ipperwash Park, Caledonia and Atawpiskapat are not easily forgotten.
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Old Posted: Jul 26, 2012, 2:22 PM
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The federal government has no responsibility for aboriginals who decide to live off reserve. The only way to change that would be to reopen treaties one through eight. And INAC is not the name of the federal department anymore. They are now called Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada (AANDC). I think the federal government is well aware of the issues with the system. Oka, Ipperwash Park, Caledonia and Atawpiskapat are not easily forgotten.
The federal government is responsible for the reserve system, whatever the department happens to be called at this point in history. I will argue with you to the end of time that this reserve system is ultimately is responsible for the culture of poverty, dependency and the social problems that we see on the streets of Winnipeg, Regina, and Thunder Bay. I don't care if people happen to be living on or off reserve at a given point in time.

I am not sure how much time you have personally spent on reserves, but I am have spent a considerable amount. I can attest to the fact that EVERY reserve from Central Manitoba and points north is in as bad a situation or worse than each of those communities you mentioned. EVERY one.
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A little off topic, but here are last years deaths by Firearms in the world. Look where Canada sits, compared to our gun happy neighbors to the south who believe guns are good.

This is from an International Statistics Site. I am sure the numbers are higher then what have been reported here.

Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 31,918
# 2 Colombia: 21,898
# 3 Thailand: 20,032
# 4 United States: 9,369
# 5 Philippines: 7,708
# 6 Mexico: 2,606
# 7 Slovakia: 2,356
# 8 El Salvador: 1,441
# 9 Zimbabwe: 598
# 10 Peru: 442
# 11 Germany: 269
# 12 Czech Republic: 181
# 13 Ukraine: 173
# 14 Canada: 144
# 15 Albania: 135
# 16 Costa Rica: 131
# 17 Azerbaijan: 120
# 18 Poland: 111
# 19 Uruguay: 109
# 20 Spain: 97
# 21 Portugal: 90
# 22 Croatia: 76
# 23 Switzerland: 68
# 24 Bulgaria: 63
# 25 Australia: 59
# 26 Sweden: 58
# 27 Bolivia: 52
# 28 Japan: 47
# 29 Slovenia: 39
= 30 Belarus: 38
= 30 Hungary: 38
# 32 Latvia: 28
# 33 Burma: 27
# 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
# 35 Austria: 25
# 36 Estonia: 21
# 37 Moldova: 20
# 38 Lithuania: 16
= 39 United Kingdom: 14
= 39 Denmark: 14
# 41 Ireland: 12
# 42 New Zealand: 10
# 43 Chile: 9
# 44 Cyprus: 4
# 45 Morocco: 1
= 46 Oman: 0
= 46 Luxembourg: 0
= 46 Iceland: 0
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The US number is waaaay too low.
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A little off topic, but here are last years deaths by Firearms in the world. Look where Canada sits, compared to our gun happy neighbors to the south who believe guns are good.

This is from an International Statistics Site. I am sure the numbers are higher then what have been reported here.

Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 31,918
# 2 Colombia: 21,898
# 3 Thailand: 20,032
# 4 United States: 9,369
# 5 Philippines: 7,708
# 6 Mexico: 2,606
# 7 Slovakia: 2,356
# 8 El Salvador: 1,441
# 9 Zimbabwe: 598
# 10 Peru: 442
# 11 Germany: 269
# 12 Czech Republic: 181
# 13 Ukraine: 173
# 14 Canada: 144
# 15 Albania: 135
# 16 Costa Rica: 131
# 17 Azerbaijan: 120
# 18 Poland: 111
# 19 Uruguay: 109
# 20 Spain: 97
# 21 Portugal: 90
# 22 Croatia: 76
# 23 Switzerland: 68
# 24 Bulgaria: 63
# 25 Australia: 59
# 26 Sweden: 58
# 27 Bolivia: 52
# 28 Japan: 47
# 29 Slovenia: 39
= 30 Belarus: 38
= 30 Hungary: 38
# 32 Latvia: 28
# 33 Burma: 27
# 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
# 35 Austria: 25
# 36 Estonia: 21
# 37 Moldova: 20
# 38 Lithuania: 16
= 39 United Kingdom: 14
= 39 Denmark: 14
# 41 Ireland: 12
# 42 New Zealand: 10
# 43 Chile: 9
# 44 Cyprus: 4
# 45 Morocco: 1
= 46 Oman: 0
= 46 Luxembourg: 0
= 46 Iceland: 0
Wow. UK has twice our population almost and has ten times less. A lot of countries on there have way more people than us but a lot fewer gun deaths.
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Wow. UK has twice our population almost and has ten times less.

Its actual murder rate though is about on par.
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Old Posted: Jul 26, 2012, 11:28 PM
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What about the Unreported Crime Data?
It's unreported... Probably for a reason, ie: it was too minor or just some silly thing between friends.

If every single law breaking act was reported automatically by some sort of brain chip thing, we'd all have pretty extensive rap sheets.

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What is the Provincial NDP to do? Aboriginal issues fall under INAC which is a federal agency. The Provincial NDP have absolutely no power to affect the daily lives of those who live, or did live, or have family who live, or are affected by those who lived...on reserves.

The problem is that the bulk of the absolutely crushing aboriginal poverty cases occur in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and NWO, and the powers that be are sheltered from the affects of this poverty (hello crime data) in places such as Ottawa and Toronto.

We know there is a problem with the system. But until that problem starts affecting the daily lives of those in "central" Canada, nothing real will be done to address the underlying issues. Areas of Winnipeg will be complete ghettos before that happens.
I think it is time for the provinces to subvert the Indian Act and simply start helping out First Nations.

But considering Ontario's treatment of reserves around the Ring of Fire and the premier's reaction today to Atleo's request for a national inquiry into murdered and missing aboriginal women and girls, I really doubt they would ever do that. Until the old boys club of middle-age white men reaches its life expectancy and dies off so that our generation can take its place (provided we don't get as fucked up as they are by then), nothing will really change.

Unless aboriginal people revolt. They're already starting to.

The problem is definitely getting worse with each generation.

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The federal government has no responsibility for aboriginals who decide to live off reserve.
Living off reserve and not being a band member are two separate things. Most First Nation people in Thunder Bay are band members, and therefore are subject to the Indian Act. Otherwise, they wouldn't have status cards, and would be subject to all of the same laws that us non-aboriginals are subject to, ie., all of them but the Indian Act.

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The only way to change that would be to reopen treaties one through eight.
There are actually 11 numbered treaties and a dozen or so other treaties that pre-date them, as well as various First Nations that aren't subject to any treaties (unceded or independent), the complex treaty process in BC that was never subject to treaties, and the agreement with the Inuit of Nunavut.

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And INAC is not the name of the federal department anymore. They are now called Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada (AANDC). I think the federal government is well aware of the issues with the system. Oka, Ipperwash Park, Caledonia and Atawpiskapat are not easily forgotten.
Oka is still a fairly contentious issue... in Oka. Caledonia's occupation continues with no progress whatsoever. Ipperwash Park is still under Ontario control. Attawapiskat is largely out of the media spotlight now. Natuashish (Davis Inlet) has been allowed to fail again because aside from the relocation, nothing was really done to improve their situation. Kashechewan still floods every year. Dozens of First Nations are being given more money to buy bottled water than to maintain water treatment plants in Northern Ontario and elsewhere. First Nations have to beg the government to give them money for schools and when they receive it, they get barely half the funding that provinces give to regular schools. That so many of their students actually make it is a miracle, and they're the ones that will pave the way to a better future. You guys complain about natives getting "free education", but the ones receiving that "free education" are the ones that are lifting their people up.

The Federal Government approves all First Nation budgets. AANDC actually signs off on all that "corruption" you guys bitch about. Oh yeah, AANDC is aware of the problems. It doesn't give a fuck.

The amount of red tape involved in dealing with AANDC and the complexities AANDC has introduced into the system of governance for First Nations communities is a core reason that so many of them have failed at effectively governing. When it comes to ineffective and unnecessary bureaucracies, AANDC takes the top spot on the list. The Indian Act has to be completely deleted from the books and AANDC dissolved if we are to see any progress, because ultimately it is that law and the ministry it created that are causing the bulk of the problems. It is institutionalized racism and it has to end.

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Wow. UK has twice our population almost and has ten times less. A lot of countries on there have way more people than us but a lot fewer gun deaths.
Brits are knife-crazed. They have a serious problem with stabbings.

When people are angry and want to kill someone they're going to do it. Banning guns just made it a little bit harder to do so. Ultimately it did nothing to actually prevent or stop the killing.
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The US number is waaaay too low.
Actually, no. Throughout the '70s, '80s, and '90s, the U.S.'s total number of homicides averaged about 20,000 annually. It's now down to fewer than 15,000 (which is still a lot), so it makes sense to me that roughly 9,000, or 2/3, of total homicides are committed with a firearm.
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Actually, no. Throughout the '70s, '80s, and '90s, the U.S.'s total number of homicides averaged about 20,000 annually. It's now down to fewer than 15,000 (which is still a lot), so it makes sense to me that roughly 9,000, or 2/3, of total homicides are committed with a firearm.
If thats the case then the US' so called fire-arms problems pale in comparison to the 3 countries above it.
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If thats the case then the US' so called fire-arms problems pale in comparison to the 3 countries above it.
I'm surprised too. I didn't know Thailand has such a murder problem, or that South Africa's is quite that bad. And to consider that those are only the homicides with firearms. Mexico would be higher on the list if one included chainsaw beheadings.
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Wow. UK has twice our population almost and has ten times less. A lot of countries on there have way more people than us but a lot fewer gun deaths.
Remember the UK though prohibits fire arms , so their Murder rate would be more by beatings and stabbings.

In some of the countries like China, you have to take into account the punishment if you are even caught speeding, let alone murdering someone.
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